Durova denies everything, She's not a federal agent, she just plays one on Wikipedia Options

Well, yes. Durova doesn't work for the FBI, she says. Well, maybe her picture of Mata Hari is a good metaphor.

Mata Hari was such an INCOMPETENT COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AGENT that she was caught, and
shot by firing squad.

MATA HARI: Drama. Self-aggrandizement. Life rending messup. Blood on the wall.

Whereas I did not presume Durova to be a spy....

...MH sounds an awful lot like Durova, after all....
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But suddenly, as the highest levels of some-certain-agency have her name brought to their attention...

I don't get what you mean by this? If she works for them, they would already know all about what she's doing, anyway.


Do you mean because someone on WR has accused her of working for the FBI or something, they will be angry at her?

?

This is all a joke, right? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)

Someone on WR has outed her, if she is indeed in intelligence. They will be angry with her for her incompetence in being outed and being so high profile. Is that it?

People working in intelligence will sometimes get accused of being spies or intelligence agents. They will have their own way of dealing with it, which they've probably been taught. Perhaps it would be to simply deny it- no-one can prove it, and then they discredit the source of the accusation. Problem solved.

What I mean is, she wouldn't have to 'hide' on a blog- as if the FBI or whoever couldn't find her there lol. At the most they would tell her off and give her advice on how to manage the situation in future. But if they're her employers she can hardly hide from them (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)


I still think her being an intelligent agent is not very likely. I don't think she would have made such a thing on her userpage and in her name of being in the military. She would have chosen a sweet and un-spylike identity, like "Merkinsmum" for instance (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) who is named after her cat.

Someone on WR has outed her, if she is indeed in intelligence. They will be angry with her for her incompetence in being outed and being so high profile. Is that it?

Yes, I got a "tip" that she's in the FBI. It could be wrong, i.e she could be in DIA (Defense Intel Agency, for example) but I rather doubt it. FBI hired massively in 2004, the year she quit her Naval stint. They were showered with millions for terrorism and cybercrime, that year. Being hired that year wasn't anything exceptional at all. And I doubt she's a spy. More likely a "research wonk" with penchant for bad research. So she's a natural for that place. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

As for "getting in trouble", the issue at hand is the "level" to which this report (which mentions her as a person of interest) went last week, and the full report, is going, next week puts the concept of "trouble" on a whole new level. Per the timing, per info I share more extensively with a few people on this board, there was a report that went out on April 14th. So her stated "intent to rest" the next day, April 15th, was interesting, to say the least. At least from my point of view.

I thought at first that someone told her to "stop posting on Wikipedia", but since she didn't stick to the "resting" thing, it looks like it was not official, and as predictable with any crackboard-wiki-freak, she couldn't stick to it.

Of course, she may wind up having nothing to do with any intel agency, and being a checkout girl at Walmart with an overweaning ego. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Nonetheless, she's on the report, due to the "tip", a few other factors.

I still think her being an intelligent agent is not very likely. I don't think she would have made such a thing on her userpage and in her name of being in the military. She would have chosen a sweet and un-spylike identity, like "Merkinsmum" for instance (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) who is named after her cat.

That would imply "intelligence" no pun intended. That would be what *you* would do, and yes, that would be smart, but why presume that on someone else. She's quite a showoff.

What I mean is, she wouldn't have to 'hide' on a blog- as if the FBI or whoever couldn't find her there lol. At the most they would tell her off and give her advice on how to manage the situation in future.

Uh. It had to do with a report coming out. And something being sent the same day. And yeah, she'd named in it as a potential involved person.

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Given Durova's penchant for 'sleuthing' on WP, it's not implausible that she's a stringer for the FBI, retained to help find potential baddies who maintain a shifting presence on WP.

But that's utter speculation, unsupported by any credible evidence.

But that's utter speculation, unsupported by any credible evidence.

Such that you are aware of.

But that's utter speculation, unsupported by any credible evidence.

Such that you are aware of.

Correct. The rules of the game of epistemology is that a notion is unproven until it's proven.

But that's utter speculation, unsupported by any credible evidence.

Such that you are aware of.

Correct. The rules of the game of epistemology is that a notion is unproven until it's proven.

...(proven to) YOU, apparently.
........Because if you haven't seen the evidence, no one has seen the evidence....

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Of coure. If you want me to believe a thesis, you have to exhibit the evidence and analysis to me.

I have no difficulty accepting that you believe the thesis (albeit for reasons unbeknownst to me).

Fair enough.

Given Durova's penchant for 'sleuthing' on WP, it's not implausible that she's a stringer for the FBI, retained to help find potential baddies who maintain a shifting presence on WP.

She wouldn't then boast about her sleuthing powers, but would keep relatively quiet about them, you would think.

She wouldn't then boast about her sleuthing powers, but would keep relatively quiet about them, you would think.

You would. I would. She, not so much. She's got her own way. She likes to post her entire life online. See her blog. Her whole grandma's story, etc.

I think she might be an FBI (or DIA) back office worker, researcher, or someone who works with organizing events, who fancies herself Mata Hari, in a very real way, because of the larger institutional personality. If she had a real role there, she *would* be more careful. But she's no hope of that. So she's on Wikipedia 24/7, making a "big shoo" out of everything. And throwing her weight around far more than warranted. She does that all the time, in any context.

Remember. This is the "queen" of journalist-ambulance-chasing and last-minute-libel-bandwagon-ladies.

• Who frantically called the press as she could, to get her name in the paper.
• Who put the entire Congressional IP roster on her watchlist. And bragged about it.
• And wrote articles with a Congressional Press officer's name in it without reading the content carefully or even calling him first.
• Then being completely unapologetic afterwards, as if it was her right to do all the above.
• The guy's name is still on the "Congressional Scandal" list, after he left his job. And he did nothing at all. It's complete disgusting yellow journalistic grade school bullshit.
• ... I could go on....

She thinks all these things are fine, and they are her right.

I don't know about you, but that's not anything I can relate to.

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Remember. This is the "queen" of journalist-ambulance-chasing and last-minute-libel-bandwagon-ladies.

• Who put the entire Congressional IP roster on her watchlist. And bragged about it.
• And wrote articles with a man's name in it without reading the content carefully or even calling him first.
• Then being completely unapologetic afterwards, as if it was her right to do all the above, and more...
• ... I could go on....

She thinks all these things are fine, and they are her right.

I don't know about you, but that's not anything I can relate to.

If she really has been taken on by some security forces, they perhaps haven't chosen the best person for the job, then (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

If she really has been taken on by some security forces, they perhaps haven't chosen the best person for the job, then (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

Jesus. Don't get me started.

She wouldn'tve been intel's first hiring mistake. But being female, she'd normally be stuck in a room with a knee-high glass gender-ceiling anyways. The FBI is uber-sexist. Women aren't taken seriously by the FBI. Hence her limited damage potential. Not to congratulate them, but in her case, it would be a blessing.

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Somehow I have trouble thinking of Durova as Wikipedia's Miss Congeniality.

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Somehow I have trouble thinking of Durova as Wikipedia's Miss Congeniality.

Yeah, I don't think that's the norm over there. Fantasy.

Though the "Miss Congeniality pun" is definitely cogent.

I could make a joke about her being Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs.

But she reminds me more of Hannibal Lecter than Jodie.

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The FBI and several other agencies are often in need of people who speak more than one language to work as intel analysts. After a few years of working in such a position, an analyst can, presumably, advance into management, probably supervising a team of analysts. These intel analysts for the FBI are usually not special agents. Special agent is a specific designation for FBI employees who have completed the FBI's special agent program at Quantico.

The hiring process for FBI special agents is very selective. I know because I looked into it when I left the military, but didn't go through with it because I found a job with a higher starting salary. There are age and other restrictions to become a special agent. Special agent programs for other agencies, like the Secret Service, are just as selective. The selection process to be an intel analyst, or similar position, isn't as severe. The requirements are usually just to be a US citizen, know at least one other language, have some college education, preferably a bachelor's degree, and be able to obtain a security clearance (i.e. don't have a criminal record or a large amount of debt). It helps if you are ex-military. It's ok for intel analysts to say that they hold this type of position, but they can't talk specifics about what they do.

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DL, Durova told me point blank that she has nothing to do with the FBI or any intelligence agency. I suppose that's not evidence, just testimony, but it seemed credible as far as it goes. If there's evidence that she's lying, and in fact works for the FBI or the like, I should like to know about it, as, I'm sure, would we all.

What we need here, I think, is some evidence. If it's true, this is news.

For those who may have missed it, she denies it categorically in this blog post.