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post Tue 10th July 2007, 4:54am
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I've decided that there's nothing richer than catching the clique in an unintentional IP edit, and would like to list some of my favorites for you and hope you'll reciprocate.

1- Jimbo as vandal.

Long story how I know this, but suffice it to say that last winter, Jimbo Wales' home IP was 69.22.75.205. Here are some of the edits he made during that time while not logged in. Read them if you want, but with the exception of this edit to the Jeff Merkey article, they're not very interesting.

Here's what's interesting.

Missing from 69.22.75.205's edit history is an edit only evidenced by a note on 69.22.75.205's talk page. Whatever Jimbo initially did to alter the debate over deletion of the autobiography of Gary Weiss was interpreted as vandalism and reverted.

That happened at 16:00 (UCT).

One hour later he made two more edits as Jimbo Wales.

About that time he appears to have been made aware that his IP edit didn't take, and so at 17:11 (UTC) he deleted the whole thing.

As Jimbo later explained, he did it because the deletion debate contained some "discourteous commentary." (Challenge: find the discourtesy in this rescued record of what Jimbo deleted.)


2- Possible evidence of a SlimVirgin + Crum375 sock connection.

Yet again a long story, but trust me when I say that I know Crum375's home IP has been 67.85.164.120 for some time now. Crum has made mountains of unintentional IP edits, and I posted a link to them on the talk page for Crum375 on Wikiabuse.com last week (my intention was actually to prove that Crum and Slim were different people).

Because 67.85.164.120 had so many edits, I didn't bother to check more than a few to verify that they were clearly Crum's. But this guy MichaelLinnear on Wikiabuse apparently dug deeper and says he found evidence in this edit history of SlimVirgin also apparently editing from 67.85.164.120.

This would be a fascinating development, but for the fact that the entire edit history of 67.85.164.120 was shortly thereafter oversighted out of existence.

Yes...oversighted.

3- A cover-up on Wall Street.
Speculation as to Gary Weiss's obsession with control over the articles on Overstock.com, it's CEO Patrick Byrne, and Naked short selling were put to rest earlier this year when this edit history was discovered.

Weiss, whose sockdrawer is led by Mantanmoreland, created the article on St. Joseph's Church to further his claim that he's really a Catholic gen-Xer. As any wikipedian will quickly recognize, on January 9, 2007, Weiss's first edit of the day was made before logging in.

The IP edit that resulted is attributed to 207.45.43.68, which happens to be one of two main IPs used by the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation (DTCC), which is the organization charged with settling about a quadrillion stock trades each year. The DTCC is also the organization Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne has said acts an enabler of perpetrators of illegal naked short selling of many public companies.

Naked shorting is very bad, regardless of what Weiss has edited the article on the subject to read.

The DTCC is not one of those businesses where a buddy might stop by during lunch and use your computer to check his email. It's a fortress. From this incident, we can reasonably conclude that Gary Weiss is using DTCC computers in some official capacity.

This situation gets still more sordid, as you can read here.

Bottom line: ¡Viva la unintentional IP edit!
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Mon 9th July 2007, 11:54pm) *
Because 67.85.164.120 had so many edits, I didn't bother to check more than a few to verify that they were clearly Crum's. But this guy MichaelLinnear on Wikiabuse apparently dug deeper and says he found evidence in this edit history of SlimVirgin also apparently editing from 67.85.164.120.

More and more people seem to be harboring the suspicion that Slimmy and Crum375 are the same person at this point, or at least they might as well be the same person... That would explain the creation of the Crum375 account around the time of the Katefan0 incident, I suppose. Still, why go to all the trouble? Did she think she was going to have to disappear, give up the Slimmy account as being too unpopular, and figured she'd get her new identity all nice & ready for when the time came? The mind reels!

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The IP edit that resulted is attributed to 207.45.43.68, which happens to be one of two main IPs used by the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation (DTCC), which is the organization charged with settling about a quadrillion stock trades each year. The DTCC is also the organization Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne has said acts an enabler of perpetrators of illegal naked short selling of many public companies.

I'd say most of us here are in agreement on the idea that only a completely brain-dead nincompoop could conceivably look at that situation and not conclude that Mantanmoreland is Gary Weiss. Unfortunately, they seem determined to look the other way merely to avoid giving you (and WR in general) the satisfaction.

As for naked shorting, I suppose it's possible that they really do think it's more important to protect the interests of greedy Wall Street stock speculators (vultures is more like it!) over those of several hundred wage-earners in Utah who would be out on the street (along with their families) if Overstock.com was forced out of business, but dealing with basic moral issues has never been the typical WP cabalist's forte, I'm afraid.

Did we ever answer the question of why Gary is so obsessed with this one company? Maybe he ordered one of those cheap inkjet printers, and it didn't arrive in time for his birthday, or maybe one of the ink cartridges exploded all over his favorite shirt, causing a mess?

The mind reels some more...
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post Tue 10th July 2007, 6:01am
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If this is some illegal activity in violation of Federal Trade Commision regulations, why not just report it with the mounds of evidence?

Also, MichaelLinnear is a Wikipedia admin.

EDIT: replace FTC with Federal Trade Commision

Add: Also, now we know what Cla68 did to draw down the wrath of everyone when he ran for adminship; he started that AfD of [[Gary Weiss]].

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QUOTE(Rootology @ Tue 10th July 2007, 1:01am) *
If this is some illegal activity in violation of Federal Trade Commision regulations, why not just report it with the mounds of evidence?

Funny you would mention that!

The latest bit of silliness seems to be over just that - apparently Mr. Byrne had "offered to share" large amounts of documents and other information with the SEC (Securities & Exchange Commission), and just over a year ago, they went ahead and requested it - with a subpoena. Why it was obtained via subpoena is anyone's guess, but the various naked-shorting proponents, incl. Weiss and someone named Herb Greenberg, were apparently all over it, accusing him of trying to cover the whole thing up by not issuing press releases announcing that he'd been served this subpoena, and calling his explanation (which I believe is here) a "meltdown," and using various Star Wars references in doing so (an allusion to Byrne's infamous "Sith Lords" speech a few years ago on the subject).

But the short answer is that there actually has been tons of legal wrangling over this, but this could go on for years, given who the players are. And Weiss is just a third-tier journalist and glorified day-trader - not really a player in the legal wrangling itself, though of course he has a very nice Wikipedia article about him. But, if he's over there in the DTCC building, using their computers to edit Wikipedia, and not even about the DTCC but about some local church...? You have to wonder just what the hell is going on, right?

I mean, unless you're one of the Faithful, you do.
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post Tue 10th July 2007, 6:25am
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QUOTE(Rootology @ Tue 10th July 2007, 2:01am) *

If this is some illegal activity in violation of Federal Trade Commision regulations...
Do you by chance mean SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission)?

QUOTE(Rootology @ Tue 10th July 2007, 2:01am) *
Also, now we know what Cla68 did to draw down the wrath of everyone when he ran for adminship; he started that AfD of [[Gary Weiss]].
Bingo, based in part (I presume but don't know with certainty) on evidence I presented here and here.

Also Joe, check your blog's traffic logs on 6/20/07 at 11:46:38 and 12:17:58 and tell me what you see.
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Tue 10th July 2007, 1:25am) *
Also Joe, check your blog's traffic logs on 6/20/07 at 11:46:38 and 12:17:58 and tell me what you see.

Let me guess - a bunch of numbers strung together and peppered by various punctuation marks? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 10th July 2007, 3:11am) *

QUOTE(WordBomb @ Tue 10th July 2007, 1:25am) *
Also Joe, check your blog's traffic logs on 6/20/07 at 11:46:38 and 12:17:58 and tell me what you see.

Let me guess - a bunch of numbers strung together and peppered by various punctuation marks? smile.gif
Short answer: no. Long answer: yes....specifically, he'll see this string of numbers/punctuation marks: ool-4355a478.dyn.optonline.net, which is the canonical address corresponding to: 67.85.164.120, which you may recognize from my initial post as belonging to Crum375 and, I'm becoming increasingly convinced, SlimVirgin.
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Tue 10th July 2007, 12:47am) *
Short answer: no. Long answer: yes....specifically, he'll see this string of numbers/punctuation marks: ool-4355a478.dyn.optonline.net, which is the canonical address corresponding to: 67.85.164.120, which you may recognize from my initial post as belonging to Crum375 and, I'm becoming increasingly convinced, SlimVirgin.


QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 14th May 2007, 9:21pm) *

SlimVirgin tries out IRC! Her cloak on #wikipedia isn't always working reliably.

[Mar 2 2007 13:08:14] *** Joins: SlimVirgin (n=SlimVirg@S0106001124dba11e.ss.shawcable.net)
[Mar 7 2007 11:43:43] *** Joins: SlimVirgin (n=SlimVirg@S0106001124dba11e.ss.shawcable.net)
[Mar 27 2007 16:37:00] *** Joins: SlimVirgin (n=SlimVirg@S0106001124dba11e.ss.shawcable.net)
[Apr 2 2007 17:08:16] *** Joins: SlimVirgin (n=SlimVirg@S0106001124dba11e.ss.shawcable.net)

That resolves to 70.64.11.240 [...] [and] her previously known IP was 70.64.45.10


If evidence indicates that 67.85.164.120 (ool-4355a478.dyn.optonline.net) belongs to Crum375, than it would seem fairly unlikely (albeit still possible) for Crum and SlimVirgin to be the same person.

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I'm 95% sure that they are two different people, and you can see my repsonse on the Study of SlimVirgin and Crum375 page on wikiabuse.

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For the record: I don't believe that these editors are the same person. There are several edits (not included) where the two edit within seconds of each other on different articles, sometimes making extensive points etc. Which implies that the person would need to be a hyper-speed typist and speed reader par excellence. Which is not impossible but highly improbable. Crum375 also occasionally edits articles on fields quite distinct from SlimVirgin's typical editing areas.
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It is very interesting that IP edits would be oversighted. However, they did the same thing to some of Slim Virgin's first ever edits - her edits to the Lockerbie Bombing page (now called Pan Am Flight 103). We did a study on that here previously, and it definitely demonstrated who Slim Virgin was and what she was doing on Wikipedia when she first used it. Slim Virgin immediately went to work destroying an article, being aggressive towards the person who had previously worked hard to make it good, and then played all innocent to the admin noticeboard to beg for their help - and got it to the extent that that user quit, and others afterwards were banned. Yet all of that evidence, after appearing on Wikipedia Review, was oversighted. Slim Virgin then claimed that we were trying to out her by releasing this information. It didn't say her name or anything, just her very sinister reason for being at Wikipedia.

This reeks of it. I think that it is terribly suspicious that Wikipedia would oversight IP edits. It is an abuse of the oversight function. Isn't that supposed to be just for when there is legal action? To protect their own illegal activity is a major abuse.
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Mon 9th July 2007, 9:54pm) *

I've decided that there's nothing richer than catching the clique in an unintentional IP edit, and would like to list some of my favorites for you and hope you'll reciprocate.

1- Jimbo as vandal.

Long story how I know this, but suffice it to say that last winter, Jimbo Wales' home IP was 69.22.75.205. Here are some of the edits he made during that time while not logged in. Read them if you want, but with the exception of this edit to the Jeff Merkey article, they're not very interesting.

Here's what's interesting.

Missing from 69.22.75.205's edit history is an edit only evidenced by a note on 69.22.75.205's talk page. Whatever Jimbo initially did to alter the debate over deletion of the autobiography of Gary Weiss was interpreted as vandalism and reverted.

That happened at 16:00 (UCT).

One hour later he made two more edits as Jimbo Wales.

About that time he appears to have been made aware that his IP edit didn't take, and so at 17:11 (UTC) he deleted the whole thing.

As Jimbo later explained, he did it because the deletion debate contained some "discourteous commentary." (Challenge: find the discourtesy in this rescued record of what Jimbo deleted.)


2- Possible evidence of a SlimVirgin + Crum375 sock connection.

Yet again a long story, but trust me when I say that I know Crum375's home IP has been 67.85.164.120 for some time now. Crum has made mountains of unintentional IP edits, and I posted a link to them on the talk page for Crum375 on Wikiabuse.com last week (my intention was actually to prove that Crum and Slim were different people).

Because 67.85.164.120 had so many edits, I didn't bother to check more than a few to verify that they were clearly Crum's. But this guy MichaelLinnear on Wikiabuse apparently dug deeper and says he found evidence in this edit history of SlimVirgin also apparently editing from 67.85.164.120.

This would be a fascinating development, but for the fact that the entire edit history of 67.85.164.120 was shortly thereafter oversighted out of existence.

Yes...oversighted.

3- A cover-up on Wall Street.
Speculation as to Gary Weiss's obsession with control over the articles on Overstock.com, it's CEO Patrick Byrne, and Naked short selling were put to rest earlier this year when this edit history was discovered.

Weiss, whose sockdrawer is led by Mantanmoreland, created the article on St. Joseph's Church to further his claim that he's really a Catholic gen-Xer. As any wikipedian will quickly recognize, on January 9, 2007, Weiss's first edit of the day was made before logging in.

The IP edit that resulted is attributed to 207.45.43.68, which happens to be one of two main IPs used by the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation (DTCC), which is the organization charged with settling about a quadrillion stock trades each year. The DTCC is also the organization Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne has said acts an enabler of perpetrators of illegal naked short selling of many public companies.

Naked shorting is very bad, regardless of what Weiss has edited the article on the subject to read.

The DTCC is not one of those businesses where a buddy might stop by during lunch and use your computer to check his email. It's a fortress. From this incident, we can reasonably conclude that Gary Weiss is using DTCC computers in some official capacity.

This situation gets still more sordid, as you can read here.

Bottom line: ¡Viva la unintentional IP edit!



Jimbo's edit that got reverted was by a bot. I also think his IP was that same thing until last spring.

Also, it's a good guess who oversighted it http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...group=&limit=50 . Yup, her meat puppet. Of course we didn't know Slimmey was on Wikiabuse.... SlimVirgin, she watches everything, plotting something... something disasterous... but she never speaks and acts like she's not there. I don't know what she's plotting... destroy things with a giant laser from space, flood the earth with an underwater kingdom, what Lex Luther did in the plot from Superman Returns? Whatever it is, it's something bad.








QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 9th July 2007, 10:32pm) *

More and more people seem to be harboring the suspicion that Slimmy and Crum375 are the same person at this point, or at least they might as well be the same person... That would explain the creation of the Crum375 account around the time of the Katefan0 incident, I suppose. Still, why go to all the trouble? Did she think she was going to have to disappear, give up the Slimmy account as being too unpopular, and figured she'd get her new identity all nice & ready for when the time came? The mind reels!

Did we ever answer the question of why Gary is so obsessed with this one company? Maybe he ordered one of those cheap inkjet printers, and it didn't arrive in time for his birthday, or maybe one of the ink cartridges exploded all over his favorite shirt, causing a mess?



What if Crum375 is Katefan0?

As for Gary's obsession, he claims WordBomb works for Overstock.


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It is very interesting that IP edits would be oversighted. However, they did the same thing to some of Slim Virgin's first ever edits - her edits to the Lockerbie Bombing page (now called Pan Am Flight 103). We did a study on that here previously, and it definitely demonstrated who Slim Virgin was and what she was doing on Wikipedia when she first used it. Slim Virgin immediately went to work destroying an article, being aggressive towards the person who had previously worked hard to make it good, and then played all innocent to the admin noticeboard to beg for their help - and got it to the extent that that user quit, and others afterwards were banned. Yet all of that evidence, after appearing on Wikipedia Review, was oversighted. Slim Virgin then claimed that we were trying to out her by releasing this information. It didn't say her name or anything, just her very sinister reason for being at Wikipedia.


Did it take until the Oversight function got installed to remove the edits, which I think was less than a year ago?

As I mentioned before, her buddy Jayig has oversight and probably was the one who did it.


QUOTE(Rootology @ Mon 9th July 2007, 11:01pm) *

Also, MichaelLinnear is a Wikipedia admin.


I would have thought his attacks on Wikipedians over at Encyclopedia Dramatica where he's Lateral (previous name "The Real Deal") would have prevented him from becoming an admin. Then again, when you're cabal, you can do anything.
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We had a topic here that documented it. Within a day of us writing it here, SlimVirgin had deleted it, and within a week of that the oversight function was in, and they were wiped. Selina kept her own copy from Google caches though. I can't find the links offhand, but you should be able to search for it, or Selina would know. It was one of the first ever uses of the oversight function, and it was massively abused.
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QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 10th July 2007, 6:09am) *

We had a topic here that documented it. Within a day of us writing it here, SlimVirgin had deleted it, and within a week of that the oversight function was in, and they were wiped. Selina kept her own copy from Google caches though. I can't find the links offhand, but you should be able to search for it, or Selina would know. It was one of the first ever uses of the oversight function, and it was massively abused.


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QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 10th July 2007, 12:41pm) *

QUOTE(Rootology @ Mon 9th July 2007, 11:01pm) *

Also, MichaelLinnear is a Wikipedia admin.


I would have thought his attacks on Wikipedians over at Encyclopedia Dramatica where he's Lateral (previous name "The Real Deal") would have prevented him from becoming an admin. Then again, when you're cabal, you can do anything.

I don't think he is an admin on wikipedia-en...well he's not on the big list. for some reason I thought he was too, though.
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QUOTE(norsemoose @ Tue 10th July 2007, 4:38am) *
If evidence indicates that 67.85.164.120 (ool-4355a478.dyn.optonline.net) belongs to Crum375, than it would seem fairly unlikely (albeit still possible) for Crum and SlimVirgin to be the same person.
The more I think about it, I have to agree. But what really clinches it in my mind is something nobody's considered: Slim uses a Mac while Crum uses a PC. Not many people swing both ways. I tried it for a while when I was younger, but it was just a phase.

If Slim did edit from that IP, it might have been during a cabal slumber party at Crum's place.

Eeeek. That's an image that I'd rather not have just entertained. Sorry.

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QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 10th July 2007, 8:41am) *
As for Gary's obsession, he claims WordBomb works for Overstock.
Indeed he does...er...I do. But the issues I have with Gary Weiss greatly pre-date my 8/06 hire date with Overstock.com.

In fact, my first exposure to both Wikipedia and Gary Weiss took place seven months earlier and is recorded here . I'm editing as 67.164.193.128 and whom I would later discover to be Weiss is editing as 70.23.85.112. You can see we did battle over the course of two days, and I finally gave up in deference to a normal life.

A couple of hours after I left, Weiss created Mantanmoreland to avoid a 3RR block on his IP account.

I've since learned that Weiss was actively recruiting meatpuppets and even sending them his ideal version of the article via email with instructions to revert whenever opposing edits were made. You can see evidence of the serial copying-and-pasting in the trailing dots that another editor complained about having to remove more than once.

My next direct confrontation with Weiss on Wikipedia happened to occur one year and three days ago with the creation of WordBomb (an account that lasted about 20 minutes after Weiss first cried to SlimVirgin for help).

If you want to get a sense of Weiss's general mindset, consider how he characterizes my WP editing history in his blog:
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Hear that guys? I'm responsible for most of the vandalism on Wikipedia! You may now call me WordBomb on Wheels.
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Tue 10th July 2007, 7:26pm) *

If you want to get a sense of Weiss's general mindset, consider how he characterizes my WP editing history in his blog:
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It later was revealed that Overstock.com's "director of social media," Judd Bagley, was responsible for the lion's share of the vandalism and general whackiness on Wikipedia.
Hear that guys? I'm responsible for most of the vandalism on Wikipedia! You may now call me WordBomb on Wheels.


I prefer to think of you as Mantanwordbomb ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Tue 10th July 2007, 12:47am) *

QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 10th July 2007, 3:11am) *

QUOTE(WordBomb @ Tue 10th July 2007, 1:25am) *
Also Joe, check your blog's traffic logs on 6/20/07 at 11:46:38 and 12:17:58 and tell me what you see.

Let me guess - a bunch of numbers strung together and peppered by various punctuation marks? smile.gif
Short answer: no. Long answer: yes....specifically, he'll see this string of numbers/punctuation marks: ool-4355a478.dyn.optonline.net, which is the canonical address corresponding to: 67.85.164.120, which you may recognize from my initial post as belonging to Crum375 and, I'm becoming increasingly convinced, SlimVirgin.


Slim and Crum are different people. They may communicate off-wiki, or just watch each other's edits. Given the IP ranges and alleged geography involved, the only way they're sharing an IP address is if one if either tunneling into the other's home network to edit from that IP in question, or is using a tool like RDP or VNC to do so. Which would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it, to deliberately SHARE an IP address between two admin accounts?

I've also seen much better IP evidence and other evidence (non-IP) than you have. Unless they're doing some fairly decent technical work with Slim remotely editing from Crum's home location (which again, would be frankly retarded for poisoning the IP well), they're different people.

They're either gabbing on IRC, Yahoo/AIM, or just--shock--talking on the phone or VOIP, perhaps to coordinate stuff. Or just looking at each others' edits.

I'm all for a fun conspiracy theory, but the Internets does have physical rules and limitations that can only be circumvented in certain ways. The ways I know of would preclude, combined with the evidence I've seen, the notion that SlimVirgin and Crum375 are the same person. I could be surprised, later, and find otherwise, but based on my own technical knowledge and things I've learned and observed, I believe they're two distinct people from two distinct geophysical locations, separated by at least one time zone.

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Not many people swing both ways. I tried it for a while when I was younger, but it was just a phase.


I know at least a dozen people that swing in some combination between Windows, Mac, Linux, and Unix systems. Several of the Linux users aren't even tech nerds. I myself routinely will use Windows XP, Vista, Mac OS 10.x, and various Linux flavors (mainly Slackware, Ubuntu, and RH Fedora, in that order). Its much more common than most realize. Tracking individuals by OS and user agent, unless they also come from the same IP, is generally a shitty prospect.

Bomb, no offense, but all I ever see of all this is a snippet there, a snippet here of all this evidence that Gary Weiss is the kid from the Omen.

Why not put it all on one page, as a complete connect-the-dots time line, to see if all adds up? To be honest, I don't doubt Matanmoreland is him, given the single-mindedness that user has about the subject, but the whole thing sounds damned off and awkward.

Whats your relationship to all this, anyway? Are you definitely Bagley?
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Bomb, no offense, but all I ever see of all this is a snippet there, a snippet here of all this evidence that Gary Weiss is the kid from the Omen.

Why not put it all on one page, as a complete connect-the-dots time line, to see if all adds up?
Been done. Here's one example. Here's another.

What's the point?

I can answer that a few ways. For the purposes of this conversation, I'll tell you that the Wikipedia component of the Weiss+Truth campaign is done for sport and the perverse thrill of seeing someone behave as shamelessly as you expect them to.

The process of getting Weiss to concede the obvious, much less force some accountability, has sort of taken on a life of its own. It seems that at this point, exactly five people persist in denying the evidence presented in the above two links (among others). They are: SlimVirgin, Jayjg, Gary Weiss, Albert Laverne Kidd (you don't know him), and...Jimbo Wales.

It's a microcosm, but the Weiss situation is fascinating by virtue of what it says about the larger system.

Tell me whether this sounds familiar:
  • SlimVirgin has a pet issue.
  • Those who challenge her on that issue with any degree of backbone soon find themselves silenced and, should they survive, marked by a scarlet letter.
  • Wikipedia leadership flaccidly observes but does nothing.
  • No amount of evidence or reason is enough to alter the situation.
Gary Weiss is the incarnation of this dynamic.
  • SlimVirgin adopts Weiss as her own pet issue.
  • Those who call Weiss on his abuses are silenced and marked.
  • Wikipedia leadership, including Jimbo Wales, watches flaccidly.
  • No amount of evidence against Weiss matters anymore. Here's a good example.
Forget the specific policy and personal issues I have with Weiss. At this point I find him simply fascinating to observe, the same way any student of a living system might find fascination in the emergence of a deeply flawed yet strangely resilient member of the population.

If I have a regret it comes from seeing good people needlessly hurt by Slim's spiteful thrashings while protecting Weiss. I'm thinking about Ptmccain, CLA68 and EveryKing in particular.

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