Why did JzG redirect "Turd burglar" to "Gay"?, Can you say "homophobic"? I know you can.... Options

[the fieryangel]

See for yourself....

Then he protects the page in an "obvious" move...

It would seem that the article in question doesn't exist...So why did he do this in the first place?

Sheez, what more proof do you need that this guy is homophobic? Why is this person allowed to remain an admin?

This post has been edited by the fieryangel: Sun 22nd July 2007, 9:57pm

[thekohser]

It would seem that the article in question doesn't exist...So why did he do this in the first place?

Sheez, what more proof do you need that this guy is homophobic? Why is this person allowed to remain an admin?

Well, whether he's homophobic or not, clearly Guy Chapman is doing very important work for a very important project.

In my opinion, Guy Chapman simply made a rookie mistake here. As it's not on his iPod, he must not be aware of the definitive guide on "How to take a sh*t at work", which includes this completely non-homophobic definition of a Turd Burglar:

TURD BURGLAR: Definition: A pooper who does not realize that you are in the stall and tries to force the door open. This is one of the most shocking and vulnerable moments that can occur when taking a dump at work. If this occurs, remain in the stall until the Turd Burglar leaves. This way you will avoid all uncomfortable eye contact.

Other classic definitions on that site include the (Fred) Astaire, Camo-Cough, and the Havana Omelette.

I hope you all enjoy that -- wonder if that qualifies as WP:RS?

Greg

[Somey]

In my opinion, Guy Chapman simply made a rookie mistake here. As it's not on his iPod, he must not be aware of the definitive guide on "How to take a sh*t at work"....

This is required reading for all Wikipedia admins, isn't it? I mean, what kind of rinky-dink operation are they running over there?

I took a personality test recently, and discovered that I myself am apparently a homophobe. No, wait, I've got that wrong, don't I - it's "humanphobe," not "homophobe." (Sorry...)

I'm actually more concerned about this new threat to our turd supply. Could these "turd burglars," regardless of sexual orientation, get personal DNA samples from stolen feces, set up a massive international database, and use it to invade the privacy of our precious toilet-time?

The mind reels!

[the fieryangel]

In my opinion, Guy Chapman simply made a rookie mistake here. As it's not on his iPod, he must not be aware of the definitive guide on "How to take a sh*t at work"....

This is required reading for all Wikipedia admins, isn't it? I mean, what kind of rinky-dink operation are they running over there?

I took a personality test recently, and discovered that I myself am apparently a homophobe. No, wait, I've got that wrong, don't I - it's "humanphobe," not "homophobe." (Sorry...)

I'm actually more concerned about this new threat to our turd supply. Could these "turd burglars," regardless of sexual orientation, get personal DNA samples from stolen feces, set up a massive international database, and use it to invade the privacy of our precious toilet-time?

The mind reels!

Well, it was all oversighted. I wonder if they're going to do the same with List of rape victims too?

The process discussion is pretty hilarious in and of itself.

I have nominated {{lc|Turd burglar}} for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome

Somebody else found the redirect pretty offensive, anyway....

Why is JzG still an admin?

This post has been edited by the fieryangel: Mon 23rd July 2007, 7:21am

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

It would seem that the article in question doesn't exist...So why did he do this in the first place?

It had been created five earlier times by vandal-types, and deleted each time.

Well, it was all oversighted. I wonder if they're going to do the same with List of rape victims too?

It actually has not been oversighted; it's just deleted and protected.

[the fieryangel]

It would seem that the article in question doesn't exist...So why did he do this in the first place?

It had been created five earlier times by vandal-types, and deleted each time.

Well, that makes the redirect from "Turd Burglar" to "Gay" perfectly logical, doesn't it?

Well, it was all oversighted. I wonder if they're going to do the same with List of rape victims too?

It actually has not been oversighted; it's just deleted and protected.

I wasn't talking about the article for "Turd Burglar". I was talking about the diffs where JzG made the move and then protected it as being "obvious". That's what has been oversighted. I wonder why?

This post has been edited by the fieryangel: Mon 23rd July 2007, 7:49am

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

I wasn't talking about the article for "Turd Burglar". I was talking about the diffs where JzG made the move and then protected it as being "obvious". That's what has been oversighted. I wonder why?

FieryAngel, it really hasn't been oversighted.

[Somey]

Ah, but for a non-admin, there's no essential difference really. And nobody is going to restore a couple of revisions for a deleted article called "Turd Burglar" just to show the world that JzG is capable of losing his temper, are they?

I mean, it's not as though everyone doesn't know that already...

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Ah, but for a non-admin, there's no essential difference really. And nobody is going to restore a couple of revisions for a deleted article called "Turd Burglar" just to show the world that JzG is capable of losing his temper, are they?

I mean, it's not as though everyone doesn't know that already...

There's no difference for a non-admin, but an admin can still see non-Oversighted pages and logs. The information would be available to that WikiTruth admin I keep hearing about.

This page hasn't been oversighted; it's just deleted and protected from editing. No one violated the Oversight policy by Oversighting a page that shouldn't have been Oversighted. And I think JzG's comment about "obvious" was concerning the page protection: it's been repeatedly recreated, so it's obvious it needs some protection. JMO, of course.

[the fieryangel]

Ah, but for a non-admin, there's no essential difference really. And nobody is going to restore a couple of revisions for a deleted article called "Turd Burglar" just to show the world that JzG is capable of losing his temper, are they?

I mean, it's not as though everyone doesn't know that already...

There's no difference for a non-admin, but an admin can still see non-Oversighted pages and logs. The information would be available to that WikiTruth admin I keep hearing about.

This page hasn't been oversighted; it's just deleted and protected from editing. No one violated the Oversight policy by Oversighting a page that shouldn't have been Oversighted. And I think JzG's comment about "obvious" was concerning the page protection: it's been repeatedly recreated, so it's obvious it needs some protection. JMO, of course.

If it hasn't been oversighted, why is this edit no longer in JzG's edit history? Even if the redirect is no longer there, shouldn't the edit in which he created the redirect still be there? That's why I said "oversighted", because the entire history of that action is gone. It looks pretty suspicious to me....

...about the "obvious" comment....um, how is it "obvious" that "turd burglar" needs to redirect to "gay"? And if "turd burglar" is an obvious redirect to "gay", then why not redirect "flaming faggot", "goddamn queer" and "fuckin' pansy" to "gay" as well? Aren't they just as "obvious"? Perhaps you need to start a WP:Obvious Redirects to Gay Task Force to identify and redirect all of the terms which "obviously" need to redirect to "gay". There must be lots of them.

When you finish with the "obvious redirects" to "gay", you can then do the "obvious redirects" for black, jewish, latino, asian etc etc. The list goes on and on...


This post has been edited by the fieryangel: Mon 23rd July 2007, 9:40am

[norsemoose]

If it hasn't been oversighted, why is this edit no longer in JzG's edit history? Even if the redirect is no longer there, shouldn't the edit in which he created the redirect still be there? That's why I said "oversighted", because the entire history of that action is gone. It looks pretty suspicious to me....

Deleted contributions don't show up in a user's edit history. There is, if I am not mistaken, a separate page, [[Special:DeletedContributions]], which can bring those up as well, but naturally, it's only available to sysops.

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

...about the "obvious" comment....um, how is it "obvious" that "turd burglar" needs to redirect to "gay"?

It's not. His comment about "obvious" was on the page protection action, not the creation of the redirect. I think the summary was meant like "obvious" this page needs protecting, since it's been recreated multiple times.

[the fieryangel]

...about the "obvious" comment....um, how is it "obvious" that "turd burglar" needs to redirect to "gay"?

It's not. His comment about "obvious" was on the page protection action, not the creation of the redirect. I think the summary was meant like "obvious" this page needs protecting, since it's been recreated multiple times.

Well, according to this, the redirect was speedy-deleted because it fit into the criteria of "attack pages". Since the redirect was set up by JzG as an "obvious action", it goes without saying that he intended this as a homophobic action.

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Well, according to this, the redirect was speedy-deleted because it fit into the criteria of "attack pages". Since the redirect was set up by JzG as an "obvious action", it goes without saying that he intended this as a homophobic action.

This crappy page has been deleted six times now. It's obvious it needed protecting from recreation. The (luckily deleted) redirect to gay is offensive.

[the fieryangel]

Well, according to this, the redirect was speedy-deleted because it fit into the criteria of "attack pages". Since the redirect was set up by JzG as an "obvious action", it goes without saying that he intended this as a homophobic action.

This crappy page has been deleted six times now. It's obvious it needed protecting from recreation. The (luckily deleted) redirect to gay is offensive.

Okay, we can agree on that....

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Okay, we can agree on that....

Sorry, I thought it was clear that redirect is offensive, and didn't even bother mentioning it (because it seems self-evident, lke directing the "N"-word to [[African American]]). Two of my siblings are gay, and I'd absolutely hate to see either one of them see something like that; this isn't 1952 or something. I'm sorry if I got off-track with the clarification about the exact action the "obvious" comment occurred on. It should have been protected, but it shouldn't have been redirected there.

[the fieryangel]

Okay, we can agree on that....

Sorry, I thought it was clear that redirect is offensive, and didn't even bother mentioning it (because it seems self-evident, lke directing the "N"-word to [[African American]]). Two of my siblings are gay, and I'd absolutely hate to see either one of them see something like that; this isn't 1952 or something. I'm sorry if I got off-track with the clarification about the exact action the "obvious" comment occurred on. It should have been protected, but it shouldn't have been redirected there.

Why then has no one mentioned anything about this on WP? The fact that Guy, as an admin., made this highly offensive redirect (on top of all of the other "incidents" that he's been a part of these days) has not been mentioned anywhere.

Just because you're depressed doesn't give you the right to do things like this. Why didn't one person say "That was really offensive, Guy. Don't do it again."?

It's as if there's some sort of cordon sanitaire around him these days, in spite of being as uncivil, uncouth and offensive as he ever was. People keep saying "come back, you're one of our best" and the like....which gives him yet another reason to come back and do the exact same things. When are you guys going to call him on these things?

I'm starting to think that the problem with Guy is simply that he's not very intelligent. I mean, saying that no women are important composers because there are none on his Ipod was simply a really stupid thing to say. This redirect is another shining example of that. And he's "one of your best"? Shirley, you gest!

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Why then has no one mentioned anything about this on WP? The fact that Guy, as an admin., made this highly offensive redirect (on top of all of the other "incidents" that he's been a part of these days) has not been mentioned anywhere.

Just because you're depressed doesn't give you the right to do things like this. Why didn't one person say "That was really offensive, Guy. Don't do it again."?

It's as if there's some sort of cordon sanitaire around him these days, in spite of being as uncivil, uncouth and offensive as he ever was. People keep saying "come back, you're one of our best" and the like....which gives him yet another reason to come back and do the exact same things. When are you guys going to call him on these things?

I'm starting to think that the problem with Guy is simply that he's not very intelligent. I mean, saying that no women are important composers because there are none on his Ipod was simply a really stupid thing to say. This redirect is another shining example of that. And he's "one of your best"? Shirley, you gest!

I've asked JzG to tone it down in the past. It does no good, and in fact, my interference seemed to just egg him on further, making things even worse. There isn't a point in asking someone to stop doing something when it seems it will only cause them to continue the behavior, or that's my feeling on the matter. I'd guess some other folks on WP may feel the same way. And some people genuinely like him very much.

[GlassBeadGame]

I'm starting to think that the problem with Guy is simply that he's not very intelligent.

I've asked JzG to tone it down in the past. It does no good, and in fact, my interference seemed to just egg him on further, making things even worse. There isn't a point in asking someone to stop doing something when it seems it will only cause them to continue the behavior, or that's my feeling on the matter. I'd guess some other folks on WP may feel the same way. And some people genuinely like him very much.

TFA: Yes, I think it is very likely that JzG is not very intelligent.

Firsfron: Of course JzG doesn't listen to you. You are less prominent and have less status than he does. He simply does not have to listen to you no matter how wrong or stupid he is. Not to worry though. You also benefit from this aspect of a dysfunctional social networking community. There are people more intelligent than you that you get block, ban and generally push around irrespective of the the merits of the particular matter that is the vehicle of your game play.

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Not to worry though. You also benefit from this aspect of a dysfunctional social networking community. There are people more intelligent than you that you get block, ban and generally push around irrespective of the the merits of the particular matter that is the vehicle of your game play.

Eh? Where did I do that? (I'm not saying I didn't do that, but where? Maybe I can apologize to the user I pushed around, blocked, and/or banned.