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JohnA
post Fri 27th July 2007, 11:03pm
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"International Humanitarian Law professor Ludwig Braeckeleer thinks so. In an article published yesterday in the Korean newspaper OhMyNews, he reveals a discovery he made while researching a story on the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Scotland. It turns out that a Wikipedia administrator named SlimVirgin is actually Linda Mack, a woman who as a young graduate in the 1980s was hired by investigative reporter Pierre Salinger of ABC News to help with the investigation. Salinger later came to believe that Mack was actually working for Britain's MI5 on a mission to investigate the bombing and to infiltrate and monitor the news agency. Shortly after her Wikipedia identity was uncovered, many of her edits to articles related to the bombing were permanently removed from the database in an attempt to conceal her identity. This discovery comes only months after another Wikipedia admin was caught lying about his credentials to the press. What can Wikipedia do about those who would use it for their own purposes?"


Bring popcorn. This one could get interesting.
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post Sat 28th July 2007, 7:02am
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I remember the MC5, led by guitarist Wayne Kramer, were one of the hardest-rockin' bands of the late-60's/early-70's era, with songs like "Kick Out the Jams" and "Shakin' Street." Man, they rocked! But I doubt that SlimVirgin was ever a member... or if she was, she did a much better job of keeping it off the internet.

We all have to remember that this has occurred as the result of a confluence of extremely unusual circumstances and coincidences. What are the chances that Slimmy would have bought a copy of Namebase in the early 90's by asking her boyfriend to physically go to Daniel Brandt's office to buy one? And that she'd then start an article about Brandt, only to delete it a few days later, but then have it restored by some Google-fan she probably had never heard of before? And what are the chances that she'd run into yet another editor who just happened to be obsessed with attacking a corporate CEO whom she'd known 20 years before, in Oxford-Cambridge of all places, and who had offended her by asking someone to pass him some French Fries using a phony British accent? And on top of that, to have someone affiliated with said CEO be one of the most tenacious and dedicated IP-address and sock-puppet trackers any of us have ever encountered in our entire online lives? And that he and Brandt would both end up on the same message board?

In spite of it all, I actually expect this to blow over, probably within a week or two, followed by the usual denials.

At the same time, I often wonder... What would a post-Slimmy Wikipedia be like? Would editors finally be able to take the Nazis out of the Martin Luther article, for example? Would they be allowed to make references to Bosnian Holocaust victims? Would it even become acceptable to make links to the Animal Rights article from the Animal Liberation Front article actually say "animal rights"?

Personally, I doubt it, but life is full of surprises, I suppose!
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post Sat 28th July 2007, 12:56pm
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We all have to remember that this has occurred as the result of a confluence of extremely unusual circumstances and coincidences. What are the chances that Slimmy would have bought a copy of Namebase in the early 90's by asking her boyfriend to physically go to Daniel Brandt's office to buy one? And that she'd then start an article about Brandt, only to delete it a few days later, but then have it restored by some Google-fan she probably had never heard of before? And what are the chances that she'd run into yet another editor who just happened to be obsessed with attacking a corporate CEO whom she'd known 20 years before, in Oxford-Cambridge of all places, and who had offended her by asking someone to pass him some French Fries using a phony British accent? And on top of that, to have someone affiliated with said CEO be one of the most tenacious and dedicated IP-address and sock-puppet trackers any of us have ever encountered in our entire online lives? And that he and Brandt would both end up on the same message board?

One breakthrough was the connection showing that one S.McEwan in Swalwell, Alberta had registered the domain slimvirgin.com, and that this was probably the same as one Sarah McEwan from Canada who wrote a couple of letters to a newspaper in Britain defending animal rights on the foxhunting issue. That domain was created in May, 2002. The email address on the domain registration was already bouncing; it was slimvirgin1@yahoo.com. Slim signs the name "Sarah" on Wikipedia. Unless my memory is faulty, her IP address geolocated to Alberta when she first got involved with my biography. But in recent months, her IP address geolocates to somewhere in Saskatchewan. She's somewhere in central Canada, at any rate.

But the biggest breakthrough of all came from a member of this board in June, 2006. Knowing that SlimVirgin on her user page had identified herself as an alumnus of Cambridge, this board member found an obscure page on the Kings College, Cambridge web site. Twenty pages deep, and seen only with a mouseover (to keep the search engines out), this board member discovered that a mouseover on the name of alumnus Linda Mack showed an email address of slimvirgin1@yahoo.com. This board member sent me an email informing me of the discovery. I recognized the name Linda Mack instantly.

Then by looking at SlimVirgin's early edits on Wikipedia, it was obvious that she was obsessed with PanAm 103, just as Linda Mack was known to be obsesseed with PanAm 103. I started looking for stubs she created and found a couple of ABC-affiliated journalists among these stubs. One of them was reachable on the web, and he generously gave me contact information for John K. Cooley in Athens. I wanted to contact Cooley because in a book written by someone who was involved in the PanAm 103 investigation, he mentioned getting a call from Cooley requesting an interview, and then Cooley passed the telephone to Linda Mack, who asked the questions.

Cooley responded to my email quite quickly. I had already posted on this board that I had found Cooley and was hoping to get a response. That response revealed the information about Salinger's suspicions and Mack getting locked out of her office by Salinger. About a day after I got this smoking gun, Cooley sent a second email, saying that Mack had just contacted him and asked him to not talk to me.

Just as Slim's edits on Wikipedia have slowly but surely been oversighted to obscure the Linda Mack connection, so too has some of the above information. Cooley seemed very nervous after Mack contacted him, and while he didn't retract anything he told me earlier, it was obvious to me that I wouldn't get anything more from him, even if he had more to offer, which I doubted. I didn't bother him again.

The Kings College website listing of Linda Mack was deleted within the last six months, and the domain registration for slimvirgin.com was changed to an anonymous registration by proxy the last time it was renewed. (By the way, I emailed SlimVirgin at gmail.com anonymously in late October 2005, asking if she would be interested in selling the slimvirgin.com domain name. In two separate responses, she flatly denied that she was the owner.)

Someone was trying to keep the lid on this thing, which of course made it much more interesting. It was starting to read like an Eric Ambler spy novel. (Ambler's heroes are amateurs who stumble into these hairy situations. They're not stupid or clumsy, but shit happens and they find themselves smack in the middle of it all without quite knowing how or why they got there. Then they have to use their wits against hardened bad-guy spies to get themselves out of the situation.)

To all those on the Wikipedia mailing list who are insinuating that our evidence about Slim is weak or nonexistent, my response is that our evidence is much, much stronger than the evidence that sent that Libyan to prison for 27 years.
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JohnA   Slimvirgin gets slashdotted   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:03pm
GlassBeadGame   Link to slashdot[ Bring popcorn. This one could g...   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:14pm
Infoboy   ATTACK SITE AIR RAID! Wow.   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:15pm
GoodFaith   ATTACK SITE AIR RAID! Wow. File an RFC -NO...   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:18pm
Kato   Take a look at the comments. One WP apologist name...   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:17pm
JohnA   Take a look at the comments. One WP apologist nam...   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:26pm
GoodFaith   Here we see the full fruits of Slimvirgin's ...   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:50pm
CrazyGameOfPoker   Take a look at the comments. One WP apologist nam...   Sat 28th July 2007, 1:27am
JohnA   We have our first winner! B)   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:19pm
Infoboy   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:25pm
Infoboy   How long until we see an article called [[SlimVirg...   Fri 27th July 2007, 11:29pm
Daniel Brandt   How long until we see an article called [[SlimVir...   Sat 28th July 2007, 12:19am
Kato   Either that, or sometime between 1994 and 2005 sh...   Sat 28th July 2007, 12:30am
dtobias   A new low for Slashdot (Score:2) by jwales (97533...   Sat 28th July 2007, 12:32am
GoodFaith   Why are these people so obsessed with Lyndon Larou...   Sat 28th July 2007, 12:43am
Kato   According to WP's own article on Slashdot (whi...   Sat 28th July 2007, 12:01am
GlassBeadGame   According to WP's own article on Slashdot (wh...   Sat 28th July 2007, 12:14am
BobbyBombastic   JUST A PARANOID ANNOUNCEMENT: Save everything tha...   Sat 28th July 2007, 1:03am
FNORD23   LOL ! I knew this was going to spread like wil...   Sat 28th July 2007, 1:29am
blissyu2   Is WR even mentioned there? I mean we're basi...   Sat 28th July 2007, 1:44am
Jonny Cache   Is WR even mentioned there? I mean we're bas...   Mon 30th July 2007, 2:51am
blissyu2   Is WR even mentioned there? I mean we're ba...   Mon 30th July 2007, 3:06am
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='39351' date='Mon ...   Mon 30th July 2007, 3:22am
Somey   All of the detailed legwork by DB and others on th...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:15am
LamontStormstar   I disagree. Simply removing the name(s) doesn...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:22am
Somey   Doesn't it violate GDFL? I suppose it might, i...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:37am
LamontStormstar   Doesn't it violate GDFL? I suppose it might, ...   Mon 30th July 2007, 6:44am
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='39357' date='Sun ...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:25am
Somey   Since I have myself recited the standard cautions ...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:56am
Daniel Brandt   I should also add that I was rather P.O.'d ab...   Mon 30th July 2007, 6:08am
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Somey' post='39370' date='Sun 29th J...   Mon 30th July 2007, 11:50am
Somey   Should I censor my references to "loopholes b...   Mon 30th July 2007, 4:21pm
Jonny Cache   Look, Jon, I'm certainly not trying to sugges...   Mon 30th July 2007, 4:54pm
Somey   What has happened is that "moderators" o...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:37pm
GlassBeadGame   Meanwhile, there's plenty of nasty and spec...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:23pm
Somey   Still, to the degree that redaction is a burden on...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:59pm
blissyu2   This is my post here. My first ever post to Slash...   Mon 30th July 2007, 12:33pm
everyking   Doesn't look like she's going to be able t...   Sat 28th July 2007, 2:03am
badlydrawnjeff   Doesn't look like she's going to be able ...   Sat 28th July 2007, 2:42am
Nathan   And now, I've blogged it too under the subject...   Sat 28th July 2007, 2:50am
Daniel Brandt   On the Wikipedia mailing list, they are arguing ab...   Sat 28th July 2007, 2:52am
blissyu2   Selina kept a lot of information, but Selina sadly...   Sat 28th July 2007, 3:42am
Daniel Brandt   Selina kept a lot of information, but Selina sadl...   Sat 28th July 2007, 5:11pm
WordBomb   If anyone has an old dump of Wikipedia, they might...   Sat 28th July 2007, 5:51pm
Daniel Brandt   I'll try to find some way to make a manageabl...   Sat 28th July 2007, 6:11pm
LamontStormstar   I'll try to find some way to make a manageab...   Sat 28th July 2007, 6:14pm
Daniel Brandt   What about her two main meatpuppets (that some ha...   Sat 28th July 2007, 6:30pm
BobbyBombastic   Hmm, well wikien-l should be required reading here...   Sat 28th July 2007, 3:47am
blissyu2   Well, if it is Wikipedia Review's fault, then ...   Sat 28th July 2007, 3:56am
Daniel Brandt   Actually, there is a law in many countries that t...   Sat 28th July 2007, 4:31am
BobbyBombastic   We did put out an awful lot of information which ...   Sat 28th July 2007, 4:52am
Infoboy   92 Blogs and counting: http://blogsearch.google.c...   Sat 28th July 2007, 5:01am
Disillusioned Lackey   Regular Wikipedians are mocking her == Guess who...   Sat 28th July 2007, 5:24am
everyking   92 Blogs and counting: http://blogsearch.google....   Sat 28th July 2007, 5:28am
Nathan   92 Blogs and counting: [url=http://blogsearch.go...   Sat 28th July 2007, 7:27am
Infoboy   http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=256781...ed...   Sat 28th July 2007, 5:26am
Cedric   http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=256781...ed...   Sat 28th July 2007, 9:11am
WordBomb   http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=256781...ed...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:21am
blissyu2   It's still relatively slow going. It is yet t...   Sat 28th July 2007, 8:29am
WordBomb   This would explain why, though the world sleeps, a...   Sat 28th July 2007, 9:00am
Nathan   I couldn't resist. I probably could've sa...   Sat 28th July 2007, 9:18am
WordBomb   I couldn't resist. I probably could've s...   Sat 28th July 2007, 9:32am
JohnA   RE: Slimvirgin gets slashdotted   Sat 28th July 2007, 12:29pm
groody   Oh my word. SlimVirgin had an agenda to push? Bu...   Sat 28th July 2007, 9:24am
blissyu2   Perhaps someone will write a book on SlimVirgin on...   Sat 28th July 2007, 1:33pm
badlydrawnjeff   See, I feel like that's the most damning part ...   Sat 28th July 2007, 1:41pm
Daniel Brandt   I mean, there are far, far worse administrators a...   Sat 28th July 2007, 2:05pm
blissyu2   Here's some problems with SlimVirgin's use...   Sat 28th July 2007, 2:39pm
JohnA   Quite frankly, who gives a shit if Snowspinner is...   Sat 28th July 2007, 3:44pm
A Man In Black   Here's some problems with SlimVirgin's us...   Sat 28th July 2007, 7:42pm
LamontStormstar   [quote name='blissyu2' post='39114' date='Sat 28t...   Sat 28th July 2007, 8:42pm
guy   Outside of the accusations of cabalism and articl...   Sat 28th July 2007, 2:22pm
badlydrawnjeff   So, I mean, what's the point, then? That she ...   Sat 28th July 2007, 5:33pm
BobbyBombastic   now on digg 856 diggs right now ElinorD doesn...   Sat 28th July 2007, 10:53pm
LamontStormstar   [url=http://digg.com/tech_news/Are_Intelligence_A...   Sat 28th July 2007, 11:10pm
guy   Jayjg or somebody will claim something like sayin...   Sun 29th July 2007, 7:34am
Poetlister   Clearly Oleg (who is a mathematician) is in fact ...   Sun 29th July 2007, 10:18pm
LamontStormstar   Clearly Oleg (who is a mathematician) is in fact...   Mon 30th July 2007, 4:42am
blissyu2   now on digg 856 diggs right now ElinorD doesn...   Sun 29th July 2007, 7:57am
Infoboy   [quote name='BobbyBombastic' post='39186' date='S...   Sun 29th July 2007, 10:45pm
Infoboy   What we really, really need are the oversighted ed...   Sun 29th July 2007, 12:06am
blissyu2   What we really, really need are the oversighted e...   Sun 29th July 2007, 3:02am
everyking   Have any of the higher-ups been spotted acknowledg...   Sun 29th July 2007, 4:26am
LamontStormstar   Have any of the higher-ups been spotted acknowled...   Sun 29th July 2007, 4:55am
Nathan   Oh, no, of course not, Voldemort isn't alive...   Sun 29th July 2007, 5:10am
blissyu2   We've only redacted her real name, not the con...   Mon 30th July 2007, 3:52am
Jonny Cache   We've only redacted her real name, not the co...   Mon 30th July 2007, 3:57am
Somey   I think it was perfectly proper of for Ludwig Bra...   Mon 30th July 2007, 7:10am
LamontStormstar   I meant Wikipedia hiding several months of contri...   Mon 30th July 2007, 6:43pm
The Adversary   On another note: shouldn´t we do some more resear...   Mon 30th July 2007, 9:21am
blissyu2   On another note: shouldn´t we do some more resea...   Mon 30th July 2007, 10:45am
BobbyBombastic   here is something interesting http://lists.wiki...   Mon 30th July 2007, 4:30pm
Jonny Cache   To the best of my recollection, we are talking abo...   Mon 30th July 2007, 5:54pm
Somey   [i]To the best of my recollection, we are talking ...   Mon 30th July 2007, 6:12pm
Jonny Cache   Let me explain it this way. I am simply not going...   Mon 30th July 2007, 6:30pm
GlassBeadGame   Let me explain it this way. I am simply not goin...   Mon 30th July 2007, 6:36pm
Somey   I am simply not going to waste my time contributin...   Mon 30th July 2007, 7:01pm
Daniel Brandt   Two reprints of the Ohmynews piece appeared today ...   Mon 30th July 2007, 6:31pm
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