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Wikipedia: A Nightmare Of Libel and Slander
Israel News Agency, Israel - 23 minutes ago
... So what does this have to do with Wikipedia? Wikipedia describes itself as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Thousands ...
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post Tue 9th May 2006, 12:18am
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It's an interesting rant but clearly not written by a professional journalist. I had a look at the top domain,
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/
and it doesn't look much like a news agency, more like someone's home page.

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post Tue 9th May 2006, 10:24pm
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QUOTE(Donny @ Tue 9th May 2006, 12:18am) *

It's an interesting rant but clearly not written by a professional journalist. I had a look at the top domain,
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/
and it doesn't look much like a news agency, more like someone's home page.


First off, thank you for inviting me to come here to comment.
The security and accountability to post in this forum is something that Wikipedia can learn from.

Yes, I am a professional. Which means I do get paid to write from time to time.
And yes, I expect different people to take different takes on my writing style.
Brits see American writing as "passionate" or "dramatic" while we Yanks see the Brits as ... rather dry. ;>

Passion defines good writing, for effective sentences will evoke laughs and tears.
Dry copy is the domain for attorneys and advocates.

I do apologize for the packaging of the Israel News Agency - what you are looking at is a Web page created back in 1995. It's the substance that counts. Never judge a book by its cover. But your well intended feedback has caused me to call a graphic artist today :>

Words hurt.
Especially when there is no substance behind them.
Wikipedia hurts people. When it's supposed intention is to add fruit to our lives.

Wikipedia defines the essence of mediocrity.
For this reason it has risen to a high ranking on the Net's search engines.
No less than how many governmental officials secure top positions.

This forum was created because you good, kind and enlightened souls will not embrace mediocrity.
Nor should you.

When people start to believe all which is written on Wikipedia as an absolute - we will be in deep trouble as a society. When two people - Jimbo and Danny - can overide the consensus of a community, then it is time for brave and wise men and women to be counted.

This forum deserves credit.
You will find a link to this forum on the above stated Israel News Agency / Google News story.
With with the four remaining stories for which I plan to write re: the abuses of Wikipedia.
If anyone here has been hurt by Wikipedia, tell me your story.
Write to jlwiki@gmail.com

Lastly, do take Wikipedia seriously.
It is a threat to free speech.
But again, don't lose any sleep over Wiki - as it will pass.
As all circuses come and go.

Best wishes,
Joel



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post Wed 10th May 2006, 5:22am
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QUOTE(Joel Leyden @ Wed 10th May 2006, 7:24am) *

Yes, I am a professional. Which means I do get paid to write from time to time.

I'm sorry I said something else. Perhaps my point is that the article you posted doesn't seem like something which could be published in a conventional newspaper.
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I do apologize for the packaging of the Israel News Agency - what you are looking at is a Web page created back in 1995. It's the substance that counts. Never judge a book by its cover. But your well intended feedback has caused me to call a graphic artist today :>

Hope it doesn't cost too much. smile.gif
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Words hurt.
Especially when there is no substance behind them.
Wikipedia hurts people. When it's supposed intention is to add fruit to our lives.

Since most of the participants here haven't met each other, I suppose it is only words, words on computers, that we are complaining about.
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Wikipedia defines the essence of mediocrity.

That's rather a nice quote.
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post Wed 10th May 2006, 10:43am
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QUOTE(Donny @ Wed 10th May 2006, 5:22am) *

QUOTE(Joel Leyden @ Wed 10th May 2006, 7:24am) *

Yes, I am a professional. Which means I do get paid to write from time to time.

I'm sorry I said something else. Perhaps my point is that the article you posted doesn't seem like something which could be published in a conventional newspaper.
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I do apologize for the packaging of the Israel News Agency - what you are looking at is a Web page created back in 1995. It's the substance that counts. Never judge a book by its cover. But your well intended feedback has caused me to call a graphic artist today :>

Hope it doesn't cost too much. smile.gif
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Words hurt.
Especially when there is no substance behind them.
Wikipedia hurts people. When it's supposed intention is to add fruit to our lives.

Since most of the participants here haven't met each other, I suppose it is only words, words on computers, that we are complaining about.
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Wikipedia defines the essence of mediocrity.

That's rather a nice quote.

Thank you.
With your kind encouragement I have just inserted that quote into the news story.<P>
In response to "Perhaps my point is that the article you posted doesn't seem like something which could be published in a conventional newspaper." Thank god, we can publish most of what we wish in almost any newspaper as long as we do not commit libel or slander - something for which Wikipedia appears to promote.<BR>
I think that the Village Voice was far more aggressive in its attack against Wikipedia than anything stated by the Israel News Agency.


QUOTE(Joel Leyden @ Wed 10th May 2006, 10:41am) *

QUOTE(Donny @ Wed 10th May 2006, 5:22am) *

QUOTE(Joel Leyden @ Wed 10th May 2006, 7:24am) *

Yes, I am a professional. Which means I do get paid to write from time to time.

I'm sorry I said something else. Perhaps my point is that the article you posted doesn't seem like something which could be published in a conventional newspaper.
QUOTE

I do apologize for the packaging of the Israel News Agency - what you are looking at is a Web page created back in 1995. It's the substance that counts. Never judge a book by its cover. But your well intended feedback has caused me to call a graphic artist today :>

Hope it doesn't cost too much. smile.gif
QUOTE

Words hurt.
Especially when there is no substance behind them.
Wikipedia hurts people. When it's supposed intention is to add fruit to our lives.

Since most of the participants here haven't met each other, I suppose it is only words, words on computers, that we are complaining about.
QUOTE

Wikipedia defines the essence of mediocrity.

That's rather a nice quote.

Thank you.
With your kind encouragement I have just inserted that quote into the news story.
In response to "Perhaps my point is that the article you posted doesn't seem like something which could be published in a conventional newspaper." Thank god, we can publish most of what we wish in almost any newspaper as long as we do not commit libel or slander - something for which Wikipedia appears to promote.
I think that the Village Voice was far more aggressive in its attack against Wikipedia than anything stated by the Israel News Agency.

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Google News   Wikipedia: A Nightmare Of Libel and Slander   Mon 8th May 2006, 8:09pm
blissyu2   One thing that strikes me about the article is tha...   Tue 9th May 2006, 1:40am
Donny   One thing that strikes me about the article is th...   Tue 9th May 2006, 3:16am
Herschelkrustofsky   If you are banned so as to have your point of v...   Wed 10th May 2006, 12:36am
sgrayban   If a user proclaims on the internet their ownershi...   Tue 9th May 2006, 2:56am
blissyu2   There's more than one person that writes there...   Tue 9th May 2006, 3:43am
sgrayban   What is LaRouche anyways?   Wed 10th May 2006, 4:35am
Herschelkrustofsky   What is LaRouche anyways? A controversial polit...   Wed 10th May 2006, 2:30pm
Selina   basically a women-hating Nazi. http://en.wikipedi...   Thu 11th May 2006, 1:16pm
Herschelkrustofsky   basically a women-hating Nazi. http://en.wikiped...   Thu 11th May 2006, 2:57pm
kotepho   Interestingly enough the article on Joel along wit...   Fri 12th May 2006, 2:08am
blissyu2   But does the Signpost have INA's latest news s...   Fri 12th May 2006, 3:00am
Joel Leyden   But does the Signpost have INA's latest news ...   Fri 12th May 2006, 7:18am
blissyu2   Good idea. And link to all of your old stories wh...   Fri 12th May 2006, 8:10am


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