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> Wikipedia Review being called "stalkers and harassers", I find this obscenely offensive
blissyu2
post Fri 3rd August 2007, 1:11pm
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I don't mind it when people call Wikipedia Review members loonies. After all, I myself have a diagnosed mental illness (High-functioning autism aka Asperger's Syndrome) and I am sure many others do too. Perhaps they are just confused? Perhaps also they think that some of the things we are saying don't make sense because they are so different to what they can understand - and perhaps this is a good thing! Perhaps it means that we are showing new and interesting things to people.

I don't mind it when people call Wikipedia Review members conspiracy theorists. After all, we have just suggested that SlimVirgin was involved in MI5, and is now probably involved in a secret service. The sad thing is that all evidence suggests that this is true. Similarly, there is evidence of a lot of other things going on, and any kind of investigation that is sufficiently open is going to uncover some "out of the ordinary" things, because news flash spy agencies really do exist and they really do operate on the internet. Again, I think that this just shows how well we are going.

But when they start to call us stalkers and harassers, this is where I draw the line. That is not on, Wikipedia.

If it's coming from SlimVirgin, I call you a hypocrite, because you sent Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters and Antaeus Feldspar after me and Selina to get us to stop trying to prove that you had harassed Poetlister and got her banned. If it's coming from Snowspinner, you don't know what stalking is, and if you think that police investigating you for writing in your journal in which you say that you are going to murder someone, and do not say anywhere that it's fiction, when you happen to be in a school where 10 unsolved murders happened the year before - and you think that THAT is unusual, then you are seriously lacking in any real life experience, and you need to wake up to the fact that they were doing their job, were doing what they should have been doing, and what they would do in the same circumstances again if there was a similar circumstance.

But if it is coming from random Wikipedia users who otherwise don't know a thing about us, and apparently don't have an agenda, then I seriously take offence.

Yesterday, a person calling himself "Armed Blowfish" wrote on the WikiEN-l mailing list saying that what is happening to SlimVirgin is the same kind of thing as being raped for a second time.

This absurdly offensive thing offends all rape victims and trivialises rape. It offended virtually everyone on the mailing list, and led to calls from many parties that Jayjg, who had forwarded on the message, should quit Wikipedia (Jayjg also insisted that he didn't understand what he might have done to be a central person in the whole SlimVirgin scandal).

The second aspect of this is that I myself, who am one of the central figures of Wikipedia Review, has really seriously been stalked. I have had a gun put to my head, and gotten death threats over the phone, sometimes 5 or 10 in a day, from a guy using a variety of voices and identities, who stalked me for over 6 months, whilst telling me perhaps the most horrific thing anyone could tell anyone - that he was only going to kill me in training for something far more serious. How can you even compare that kind of thing to the kind of thing that is happening to SlimVirgin? Does she have a serial killer at her front door every day? Does she?

It doesn't even compare with Julie, who was documented on http://toxicpink.net/ .

Now, they are calling ME, and Daniel Brandt, and everyone here, STALKERS! They are insisting that what we are doing, when we try to check facts to demonstrate that someone is manipulating the history of important political issues, to change truth, is the same thing - or worse apparently - than having someone put a gun to your face. And indeed, that it's worse than being called a paedophile.

Even Jayjg used the analogy of being accused of being a paedophile.

Now, perhaps Jayjg was doing this purely to seriously hurt me personally, or perhaps he just didn't know, but what Julie did, primarily, was to run a smear campaign against me, over the internet, accusing me of being a paedophile. She got me fired from my job working in a school, got me banned from all childcare centres for life, and caused incredible amounts of personal hardship for me. Does he even have an inkling of understanding as to what it is like to go in to work and have your boss tell you that they think that you are a paedophile, because someone on the internet has your real name, photograph, address, phone number, where you work, and has contacted your boss to pass on information linking to a completely unrelated newspaper story - in an entirely different country - where someone was being charged with being a serial rapist (of adult women) - and then suggested that that was me? I mean, can you imagine that kind of thing, Jayjg? Have you ever had that kind of thing happen to you? Where you were forced to change your entire career because of the smear made by someone, which you had to take 18 months to get rid of, and they got basically a slap on the wrist over it, while you lost almost everything? Do you even have a clue, Jayjg?

We have a guy here, a new user, who just got banned because someone suggested that he was a Paedophile, a Child Pornography person. Luckily, they didn't have his real name. But guess what? That wasn't Wikipedia Review doing it - because we don't do that kind of thing. That was WIKIPEDIA! Specifically, that was Snowspinner, the person who on the mailing list insisted that he had been the victim of stalking by Wikipedia Review!

And for all of this, SlimVirgin came in and encouraged the rape analogies.

If she was saying - do you, Adrian (Blissyu2), or Nathan, who have repeatedly been the victims of serious stalking, feel like you have been raped? I would say yes, and I am sure that Nathan would feel much the same. But she wasn't saying that.

SlimVirgin wrote to say that we, people who are going out of our way to stop this kind of thing, are rapists now, all of a sudden, and that the analogy is fine.

Get real SlimVirgin. You haven't even lost your job over this. You haven't even gotten banned from Wikipedia over this! What about those of us who got banned and had horrible Arbitration things about us, full to the brim with lies, spewn all over Wikipedia? You didn't even get that! You haven't even been accused of being a paedophile, let alone had a gun shoved in your face. Let alone been raped.

How dare you say this kind of thing. How dare you!

There is a line, Wikipedia, and you've crossed over it. I am sure that many of those things are libellous too. And I am sure that most courts would argue that we are the victims in this kind of outrageous attack, not Wikipedia.
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blissyu2   Wikipedia Review being called "stalkers and harassers"   Fri 3rd August 2007, 1:11pm
LamontStormstar   You oughtta sue Julie. Ask the forum for help. Y...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 2:13pm
blissyu2   I have already gone down that path. The costs to ...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 2:31pm
LamontStormstar   I have already gone down that path. The costs to...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 2:43pm
blissyu2   [quote name='blissyu2' post='40480' date='Fri 3rd...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 3:27pm
blissyu2   And for the record, no, I don't want research ...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 3:44pm
blissyu2   Anyway, Wikipedia Review is not being libelled by ...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 5:57pm
Nathan   It's like how I've been called a "pae...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 6:03pm
blissyu2   Wikipedia's Request for Arbitration/Internodeu...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 7:11pm
Nathan   For someone who's high on medication, you stil...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 7:26pm
blissyu2   Well, on 3 different occasions I had the flu durin...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 7:31pm
oscarsanchez   Whether its the illness or the medication, I am a...   Sat 4th August 2007, 8:23pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Whether its the illness or the medication, I am ...   Sat 4th August 2007, 8:39pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='blissyu2' post='40533' date='Fri 3rd...   Sun 5th August 2007, 4:58am
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='blissyu2' post='40533' date='Fri 3r...   Sun 5th August 2007, 5:19am
Cedric   Whether its the illness or the medication, I am ...   Sun 5th August 2007, 6:40am
BobbyBombastic   i don't want to encourage drug abuse, but i lo...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 7:32pm
D.A.F.   You can not sue for possible damages, what possibl...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 7:50pm
blissyu2   Internet slanderings can harm you. I think I expl...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 8:16pm
D.A.F.   That the informations on SlimVirgin are right or w...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 8:45pm
blissyu2   That the informations on SlimVirgin are right or ...   Sat 4th August 2007, 3:05am
Unrepentant Vandal   FWIW, Double Jepoardy would not apply. If you wan...   Fri 3rd August 2007, 9:10pm
LamontStormstar   Bliss2yu I think you should take this matter to th...   Sat 4th August 2007, 2:44am
Nathan   (food for thought, from Blissy, I can't rememb...   Sat 4th August 2007, 2:51am
GlassBeadGame   (food for thought, from Blissy this afternoon) I...   Sat 4th August 2007, 2:56am
Nathan   To add to the discussion: It pretty much ended the...   Sat 4th August 2007, 3:08am
Cedric   Yesterday, a person calling himself "Armed B...   Sat 4th August 2007, 4:04pm
GlassBeadGame   I strongly agree with this view. The rape and fa...   Sat 4th August 2007, 4:28pm
dtobias   I strongly agree with this view. The rape and fa...   Sat 4th August 2007, 4:40pm
blissyu2   I have e-mailed Armed Blowfish, about 15-20 e-mail...   Sat 4th August 2007, 5:27pm
Jonny Cache   I think that it's been fairly clear for a long...   Sat 4th August 2007, 5:46pm
dtobias   I think that it's been fairly clear for a lon...   Sat 4th August 2007, 5:56pm
Jonny Cache   I think that it's been fairly clear for a lo...   Sat 4th August 2007, 6:02pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='dtobias' post='40743' date='Sat 4th ...   Sat 4th August 2007, 6:20pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='40744' date='Sat ...   Sat 4th August 2007, 6:28pm
blissyu2   There is a world of difference between poetic lic...   Sat 4th August 2007, 6:28pm
blissyu2   Good point, Jonny Cache. I remember when I was a ...   Sat 4th August 2007, 6:04pm
BobbyBombastic   One of my favorite newly defined wikipedian word i...   Sat 4th August 2007, 7:41pm
Nathan   Sure you are, and I'm a tenured professor at a...   Sat 4th August 2007, 8:29pm
Nathan   You're right, none should. It's not profes...   Sat 4th August 2007, 8:42pm
The Joy   As someone that took a Special Education class a l...   Sat 4th August 2007, 9:06pm
Nathan   I remember having loads of difficulties with socia...   Sat 4th August 2007, 9:13pm
Nathan   Spot on.   Sun 5th August 2007, 5:21am
The Joy   As my college psychology textbook said (paraphrase...   Sun 5th August 2007, 6:03am
BobbyBombastic   regardless of any previous comments i may have mad...   Sun 5th August 2007, 6:18am
blissyu2   Now, I am not accusing Oscar Sanchez of lying, but...   Sun 5th August 2007, 8:20am


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