Crockspot RfA, Unsuccessful Options

Well I'm hesitant to give out his e-mail address, I wouldn't want him ending up spammed with shit.

There are worse things than spam.

Yeah, spam and all manner of unsavory and malicious things.

Willing to have it reposted here?

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2127/mongomessageqy2.png

Thanks, but.....

Without MONGREL's email address and FULL headers, it could never be accepted as 'evidence'. Would you be willing to post that info?

I fail to understand, accepted as evidence? There is no policies or guidelines which are broken by canvassing by email. It's like near 200 users have voted, about half from one side and the other on the other side. We have just to be fools to think that that much people came to vote without being instructed to do so. He is the one who submitted the RfA and with that much peple being aware of it, there must have been some sort of massive canvassing. I am ready to bet that a RfA without any sort of canvassing will achieve no further than 20 votes. The Wikipedia rule on canvassing is hypocritical when most of the canvassings are done underground.

Nah, you shouldn't give out his e-mail address. Its not like this is a major crime prosecutable by law. Any Wikipediots would know that that was really from MONGO, and even if they dispute it, then they'd dispute the real thing too, so who cares? It's a good idea to protect people's privacy, unless its something really serious, and quite frankly this is a meaningless RfA, so it isn't anywhere near important enough.

Oh sure, having a KKK member in Wikipedia admin might be bad, but they had child abusers / paedophiles in there for a while, so is there really any difference? MONGO supported him because he is anti-conspiracy theory, which is one of MONGO's big things. I don't think that MONGO has really done anything wrong here.

After all, in this post we are doing the same thing as MONGO (sort of, except that we don't expect anyone who reads this to edit Wikipedia as a result), so its kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Willing to have it reposted here?

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2127/mongomessageqy2.png

Thanks, but.....

Without MONGREL's email address and FULL headers, it could never be accepted as 'evidence'. Would you be willing to post that info?

I fail to understand, accepted as evidence? There is no policies or guidelines which are broken by canvassing by email. It's like near 200 users have voted, about half from one side and the other on the other side. We have just to be fools to think that that much people came to vote without being instructed to do so. He is the one who submitted the RfA and with that much peple being aware of it, there must have been some sort of massive canvassing. I am ready to bet that a RfA without any sort of canvassing will achieve no further than 20 votes. The Wikipedia rule on canvassing is hypocritical when most of the canvassings are done underground.

I think the issue is that Mongo and Crackspot are on a desperate tear accusing others of SPAs, sockpuppets and especially canvassing. The complete email would further show them to be hypocrites.

Nah, you shouldn't give out his e-mail address. Its not like this is a major crime prosecutable by law. Any Wikipediots would know that that was really from MONGO, and even if they dispute it, then they'd dispute the real thing too, so who cares? It's a good idea to protect people's privacy, unless its something really serious, and quite frankly this is a meaningless RfA, so it isn't anywhere near important enough.

Oh sure, having a KKK member in Wikipedia admin might be bad, but they had child abusers / paedophiles in there for a while, so is there really any difference? MONGO supported him because he is anti-conspiracy theory, which is one of MONGO's big things. I don't think that MONGO has really done anything wrong here.

After all, in this post we are doing the same thing as MONGO (sort of, except that we don't expect anyone who reads this to edit Wikipedia as a result), so its kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Blissy covered my point pretty well.

Willing to have it reposted here?

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2127/mongomessageqy2.png

Thanks, but.....

Without MONGREL's email address and FULL headers, it could never be accepted as 'evidence'. Would you be willing to post that info?

I fail to understand, accepted as evidence? There is no policies or guidelines which are broken by canvassing by email. It's like near 200 users have voted, about half from one side and the other on the other side. We have just to be fools to think that that much people came to vote without being instructed to do so. He is the one who submitted the RfA and with that much peple being aware of it, there must have been some sort of massive canvassing. I am ready to bet that a RfA without any sort of canvassing will achieve no further than 20 votes. The Wikipedia rule on canvassing is hypocritical when most of the canvassings are done underground.

I think the issue is that Mongo and Crackspot are on a desperate tear accusing others of SPAs, sockpuppets and especially canvassing. The complete email would further show them to be hypocrites.

Who cares? The RfA has failed, it doesn't worth to start posting email coversations. If Crackspot is admin material by now he should have droped it rather than continuing. No self respecting person would accept to be an admin after so much controversies, that there is element of truth or not doesn't change anything. What Crackspot is doing now is just confirming that opposing him is the only right decision.

Beside, if you show them to be hypocrits it won't change anything. While banned someone accepted to post evidences for me, and I wanted to show how my banning was hypocritical when the evidences against me were a joke compared to what others were doing. I just changed my position on documenting hypocrasies and stuff like this and thought it doesn't matter. Now that we are on the other side they're the only to be blamed if something goes wrong, let them accuse they are hurting themselves they don't need your help.

This post has been edited by Xidaf: Thu 16th August 2007, 1:49am

Derktar, you've gone so far as to let the email "out", I'd say that releasing the headers, etc. is not A Big Deal™, and it will confirm it for those of us that are a bit paranoid, and those on WP that say "Don't listen to those banned trolls at WR, they are insane!"

I'm guessing it is a @yahoo or @hotmail that MONGO uses for on wiki stuff anyway, so if he gets a bunch of spam or something, it's really no big deal. He just makes a new email for his on wiki email communications.

Releasing it at this points really makes no difference, except for maintaining a record of what happened.

I hate to put you in such a position of course, but I do think it is important to maintain a record of this sort of thing. That's one of the reasons I contribute here.

One interesting thing is that there is a person called Mr Gibblets who was banned, basically, for:

1) Voting SUPPORT to Crockspot, as a new user
2) Linking to Wikipediareview.com (here), and specifically to this post (criticised by MONGO)
3) Complaining about decisions on the admin noticeboard.

Banned indefinitely as a "Vandalism only account"

I thought it was odd that he linked to us here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=151295119

This ultimately is what got him banned.

And if MrGibblets is someone who posts here, well, you're banned already, so unless you've got a second non-banned alias on Wikipedia (sock puppet), then would you mind saying who you are? If you don't yet have an account can you create one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mattbroon got blocked for a week for daring to criticize another admin candidate by the odd name of Haemo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Haemo. Apparently the best way to get rid of troublesome opposition or support tot hose some do or dont want tosee as admins is the block button. Democracy 2007 wikipedia style.

One interesting thing is that there is a person called Mr Gibblets who was banned, basically, for:

1) Voting SUPPORT to Crockspot, as a new user
2) Linking to Wikipediareview.com (here), and specifically to this post (criticised by MONGO)
3) Complaining about decisions on the admin noticeboard.

Banned indefinitely as a "Vandalism only account"

I thought it was odd that he linked to us here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=151295119

This ultimately is what got him banned.

And if MrGibblets is someone who posts here, well, you're banned already, so unless you've got a second non-banned alias on Wikipedia (sock puppet), then would you mind saying who you are? If you don't yet have an account can you create one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mattbroon got blocked for a week for daring to criticize another admin candidate by the odd name of Haemo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Haemo. Apparently the best way to get rid of troublesome opposition or support tot hose some do or dont want tosee as admins is the block button. Democracy 2007 wikipedia style.

Poor Mr Gibblets, Wikipedian style of democracy is that of a spiked ball bat and bad tempered thugs , enabled by a shit head dicks who belive in the lie of "Assume good faith" "No personal attack" and polite and constructive discussion. NO. IT's one of brutal thuggery, Darwinian harshness of "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, AND Rumbling gang war, not unlike the war in Chicago between the Capone boys and the Moran gang.

More reason to distroy, vandalize and discredit wikipedia at any and all opportunities. Wikipedia is a "clear and present danger" to the internet and the poisoning the mind of those, who don't know any better.

More reason to distroy, vandalize and discredit wikipedia at any and all opportunities. Wikipedia is a "clear and present danger" to the internet and the poisoning the mind of those, who don't know any better.

Vengence hardly makes things better, by doing this you will do the same which you condemn being done on Wikipedia.

Anyway, damn I have no life, I've passed those last two days reading this forum.

Vengeance and hate can often destroy a person from the inside.
Consider this a rare Yoda-like wisdom. (well it would be Yoda-like if backwords, I spoke it)
I think it's true though.

He denies it's him in his talkpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Eleemosynary

I know human behavior and trust him.

Well I'm hesitant to give out his e-mail address, I wouldn't want him ending up spammed with shit.

mongomontana at yahoo.com or montanamongo at yahoo.com? He posts to wikien-l sometimes with them. It's no secret.

mongomontana at yahoo.com or montanamongo at yahoo.com? He posts to wikien-l sometimes with them. It's no secret.

Though some of his recent comments on-wiki have referred to wikien-l in the same tone he generally reserves for "attack sites"... he even mentioned it in the same sentence as WR at least once. What's next, will he demand a ban on linking to wikien-l archives? He doesn't seem to like any forum that he can't control by threatening to ban anybody who disagrees with him on it.

More reason to distroy, vandalize and discredit wikipedia at any and all opportunities. Wikipedia is a "clear and present danger" to the internet and the poisoning the mind of those, who don't know any better.

Vengence hardly makes things better, by doing this you will do the same which you condemn being done on Wikipedia.

Anyway, damn I have no life, I've passed those last two days reading this forum.

You fail to understand, I don't care to make Wikipedia "better"....it's beyond repair. Only thing is to shut it down. The inbreed culture of lies, disrespect for people are to ingrained in it's leader and it's ruling class.

I don't care to make it better...All I want is to take it down, like an old building, full of rats and vermin and to damaged to repair.

OK, I did a little investigating. Assuming all the timestamps from the various servers are reporting on my screen accurately, relative to each other, this vectorsector post appears about five hours after my comment. But it does not associate with your name that I can see. About six o'clock the next morning is when vectorsector joins Digg, and associates with your name. I had a couple of people bug me on email to name you, but I just double checked, and I did not send it to anyone. But anyone who pays attention could have probably figured it out, with the one-week block info. I know it wasn't me, and no one has admitted to me that they did it. I think you've dealt with me enough to know that I'm not a liar. I'm thinking a WR troll is a distinct possibility. Some of the language looks familiar to one or two posters over there, and one of them admits on WR to being in contact with Bmedley. Those guys basically just like to see WP up in turmoil, I don't think they care as much about left vs. right. As long as people are at each other's throats, they're happy. Mr.Giblets was apparently from WR as well. - Crockspot 04:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Apparently Crockspot's admitted racism is our fault now. Well done, chums.

You don't destroy a building fool of people.

More reason to distroy, vandalize and discredit wikipedia at any and all opportunities. Wikipedia is a "clear and present danger" to the internet and the poisoning the mind of those, who don't know any better.

Vengence hardly makes things better, by doing this you will do the same which you condemn being done on Wikipedia.

Anyway, damn I have no life, I've passed those last two days reading this forum.

You fail to understand, I don't care to make Wikipedia "better"....it's beyond repair. Only thing is to shut it down. The inbreed culture of lies, disrespect for people are to ingrained in it's leader and it's ruling class.

I don't care to make it better...All I want is to take it down, like an old building, full of rats and vermin and to damaged to repair.

OK, I did a little investigating. Assuming all the timestamps from the various servers are reporting on my screen accurately, relative to each other, this vectorsector post appears about five hours after my comment. But it does not associate with your name that I can see. About six o'clock the next morning is when vectorsector joins Digg, and associates with your name. I had a couple of people bug me on email to name you, but I just double checked, and I did not send it to anyone. But anyone who pays attention could have probably figured it out, with the one-week block info. I know it wasn't me, and no one has admitted to me that they did it. I think you've dealt with me enough to know that I'm not a liar. I'm thinking a WR troll is a distinct possibility. Some of the language looks familiar to one or two posters over there, and one of them admits on WR to being in contact with Bmedley. Those guys basically just like to see WP up in turmoil, I don't think they care as much about left vs. right. As long as people are at each other's throats, they're happy. Mr.Giblets was apparently from WR as well. - Crockspot 04:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Apparently Crockspot's admitted racism is our fault now. Well done, chums.

From the way he answers he probably knows he is saying nonesense.

I think the issue is that Mongo and Crackspot are on a desperate tear accusing others of SPAs, sockpuppets and especially canvassing. The complete email would further show them to be hypocrites.

Who cares? The RfA has failed, it doesn't worth to start posting email coversations. If Crackspot is admin material by now he should have droped it rather than continuing. No self respecting person would accept to be an admin after so much controversies, that there is element of truth or not doesn't change anything. What Crackspot is doing now is just confirming that opposing him is the only right decision.

Beside, if you show them to be hypocrits it won't change anything. While banned someone accepted to post evidences for me, and I wanted to show how my banning was hypocritical when the evidences against me were a joke compared to what others were doing. I just changed my position on documenting hypocrasies and stuff like this and thought it doesn't matter. Now that we are on the other side they're the only to be blamed if something goes wrong, let them accuse they are hurting themselves they don't need your help.

I agree with both these points, and an am worried about MONGREL. He's an angry man with lots 'o guns, and circumstances beyond his control are pushing him over the edge. I hope we don't read about him intentionally driving his pickup truck (with NRA, W04, a Yellow Troop Ribbon, and a Jesus Fish) in the rear window? ) into a crowd of peace protesters, or shooting up the local DNC office!

This post has been edited by FNORD23: Thu 16th August 2007, 7:06am

I'm tellin' ya, I take one day off, and look at all the fun I've missed!

I agree that MONGO is getting into some psychological trouble here. He's internalized his Wikipedia identity, and all the reputational and relationship-development baggage that goes with it, to a greater extent than I think I've ever seen at this point. He's gone beyond simply being desperate to get his adminship back to actually showing self-destructive "bridge-burning" tendencies - it's almost like a cry for help, but since we don't actually know who he is, we can't call his friends to have them set up an intervention...

Wait a minute, what the hell am I saying? MONGO couldn't possibly have any friends... he's MONGO, for shit's sake!

Anyway, I'll make the usual offer to the WP folks: If they want to send me the IP addresses of these people they think are WR members who are causing them so much emotional stress and discomfort, I'll be more than happy to check, so that I can tell them they're all full of swine excrement.

I'm tellin' ya, I take one day off, and look at all the fun I've missed!

I agree that MONGO is getting into some psychological trouble here. He's internalized his Wikipedia identity, and all the reputational and relationship-development baggage that goes with it, to a greater extent than I think I've ever seen at this point. He's gone beyond simply being desperate to get his adminship back to actually showing self-destructive "bridge-burning" tendencies - it's almost like a cry for help, but since we don't actually know who he is, we can't call his friends to have them set up an intervention...

Wait a minute, what the hell am I saying? MONGO couldn't possibly have any friends... he's MONGO, for shit's sake!

Anyway, I'll make the usual offer to the WP folks: If they want to send me the IP addresses of these people they think are WR members who are causing them so much emotional stress and discomfort, I'll be more than happy to check, so that I can tell them they're all full of swine excrement.

After MONGO gets banned, let's invite him here.