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> Stop the Presses - Durova, WP Press Officer, Calls Congress (and, Does she not have a real job?
Disillusioned Lackey
post Wed 15th August 2007, 11:20am
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Knoxville News Sentinel (subscription), TN - Aug 10, 2007
A Wikipedia spokesman confirmed the article had been written by one of its volunteer administrator/editors, who uses the pen name Durova. ...
(urp, vomit reflux just happening)

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A Wikipedia spokesman confirmed the article had been written by one of its volunteer administrator/editors, who uses the pen name Durova. In a telephone interview, she identified herself as Lise Broer of San Diego. Broer said Wikipedia has paid particular attention to submissions from congressional office computers since a “scandal” in 2006 over revisions to biographies of several members of Congress. In general, the revisions would delete negative information, such as broken campaign promises, and replace it with more favorable information.


Interesting. I wonder if the Foundation gave her name out, and phone number. I was thinking that she called them herself, but this time, it looks like she got a call independantly.

If she was just a normal admin, it would be a big deal for her to get interviewed once or twice (Swatjester comes to mind). But she doesn't just get interviewed. She actively calls journalists on her own initiative. She's a recidivist. Her focus on the removal of defamation, which is her own personal speciality to do to users, is pathological. Reminds me of the recent news about an outspoken anti-gay pundit Minister, who got caught offering a cop a blowjob. Same logic. Durova giving advice on how to avoid defamation is much like all those bible-beating preachers who wind up caught in bed with five hookers.

So how do you get her? Most news persons don't pay attention to who they are interviewing, and she comes off as sane if you don't follow her daily routine.

Durova apparently leaked Illena Rosenthal's name online, in an Wikipedia arbitration session, when it was previously obscured by Rosenthal's login. I got that off a random Google just now. Didn't she also have something to do with the latest Brandt undeletions of his AFDs? And she has the nerve to write articles inviting businesses (and now Congressional offices) to edit Wikipedia - albeit with pre-declared conflict of interest, so they have to lick her boots? (Thats what she wants - them to come ask her for help, yech. Maybe they should all go read her ED article before going there).

Today she has a Tennessee Congressman's office APOLOGIZING FOR NOT FOLLOWING WIKI-RULES. The roils bile in the belly. Also, this is a missed golden opportunity for a lawmaker to see the damage that Wikipedia could do - but instead of realizing how they damage normal people, he apologizes for being a government official who didn't follow policy. Was the policy ever made clear NOPE. But of course, in the Congressman's office, the policy is to apologize for any potential misdeed. This is appalling, of course. What to do? Suggestions, anyone? Task force team leader? Kohs? Aren't you the designated WR press officer (j/k, but isn't she sort of your anti-favorite person?).

Is anyone on WR good at writing articles? Could they follow-on to some of this nonsense with a reality check, of a better article, with the full monty?

As a side point, Durova is now 'outing' her own name (in the Knoxville article). Guess she's over the pseudonomomomous thing already.

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Okay let me edit my original statement. I had edited it already, and I'll go back to what I originally said, and expand on what I meant by "despicable", which was probably a bad word to use.

Let's take some examples of some laws that are in my opinion seriously stupid, that we should protest:

1) Laws prohibiting people from harming their own body, including taking of certain types of drugs
2) Laws prohibiting consensual sex between two people, because one of them is younger than the other (statutory rape)
3) Laws prohibiting certain kinds of consensual sex between two (or more) people - including any laws about BDSM, homosexuality, or anything else
4) Laws that do not protect people adequately from false accusations, especially with regards to rape, and more with regards to child rape claims.

Now, I consider these laws to be horrific, and awful. So let's see how we could tackle them.

On the first point, sure, I could go and buy a heap of marijuana, which I personally think smells nice, and if it was legal I would probably smoke. So I buy some, smoke it, and go to jail for a really long time. It messes up my career, my life, and puts me down a downward spiral. Alternatively, I could protest it, without taking any myself, and hopefully get the laws changed, so that I can legally do it, and so can everyone else, we get rid of the organised crime element of it, its safer, appropriate warning labels are introduced and we achieve really change.

Second point, sure, I could have when I was 20 had sex with someone who was 15 (I am 32 now so younger kids aren't attractive to me anymore). I could have easily done it, and protested that it was a stupid law. And be regarded as a paedophile. So instead I simply protest that such laws are wrong, and any case that comes up where someone is convicted of it, especially when they are officially labelled as a paedophile, I protest. If it is consensual sex, its not rape.

Third point, now I'm as it turns out not gay, and not really interested in any of the things that are illegal. But I do currently live somewhere where you can go to jail for being a homosexual. It is also perfectly legal to discriminate against people for being gay. So I could protest this by having homosexual sex in public in front of parliament house, and go to jail for it, and its extra stupid because I'm not even gay. Or I could try to petition parliament to change this archaic law.

Fourth point, about the only way to protest this is to myself make a false accusation of rape against someone, or else to get a friend to make a false accusation of rape, just to prove a point. Except that woops that's really seriously messing up the justice system and we'd both go to jail. And it would further make people suggest that these laws need to exist.

And that's the point. In cases where your life depends on it, obviously you need to do things to save your own lives. That is more important than trying to protest a bad law. And that's like DUH as if I meant that. But you don't achieve anything in your protest if you do it from outside of the law. You achieve much more by working within the law.

Even look at this board. We don't break any of Wikipedia's rules, and we protest things simply here. Imagine if we went forth and ambushed Wikipedia. Would we achieve anything? I think not.
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Disillusioned Lackey   Stop the Presses - Durova, WP Press Officer, Calls Congress (and   Wed 15th August 2007, 11:20am
Jonny Cache   Durova is what you might call — he bites his ton...   Wed 15th August 2007, 11:32am
Disillusioned Lackey   [b][i]This is your brain on Durova … Jonny B)...   Wed 15th August 2007, 11:46am
Jonny Cache   Pretty High-Larry-Ous … One positive thing I do...   Wed 15th August 2007, 1:54pm
GlassBeadGame   Today she has a [url=http://www.knoxnews.com/new...   Wed 15th August 2007, 3:06pm
dtobias   If you're gonna participate in Wikipedia, or a...   Wed 15th August 2007, 4:21pm
GlassBeadGame   If you're gonna participate in Wikipedia, or ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 4:31pm
Jonny Cache   If you're gonna participate in Wikipedia, or ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 4:58pm
Disillusioned Lackey   If you're gonna participate in Wikipedia, or ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:57pm
thekohser   If you're gonna participate in Wikipedia, or ...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:22am
Disillusioned Lackey   If you're gonna participate in Wikipedia, or ...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:30am
D.A.F.   Another thing is, Wikipedia has perhaps 100,000 w...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:50am
Disillusioned Lackey   I thought for a second that it was the McDonald...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:56am
Disillusioned Lackey   He is expected to only read the NPOV policy, the...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:01am
D.A.F.   He is expected to only read the NPOV policy, th...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:12am
blissyu2   He is expected to only read the NPOV policy, the ...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:13am
D.A.F.   NPOV policy was the only reason I stayed on Wikipe...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:16am
blissyu2   I agree with Dtobias. If you go somewhere, you sh...   Wed 15th August 2007, 4:40pm
JoseClutch   Sadly, some places like Wikipedia ban you for br...   Wed 15th August 2007, 5:06pm
GlassBeadGame   I agree with Dtobias. If you go somewhere, you s...   Wed 15th August 2007, 5:10pm
Jonny Cache   Remember in Dr. Strangelove when that officer mac...   Wed 15th August 2007, 5:15pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='43054' date='We...   Wed 15th August 2007, 5:37pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='43057' date='Wed ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 6:20pm
dtobias   I think a lot of their rules are silly, and I prot...   Wed 15th August 2007, 5:13pm
GlassBeadGame   I think a lot of their rules are silly, and I pro...   Wed 15th August 2007, 5:14pm
Nathan   I remember the first (and second) times I was bloc...   Wed 15th August 2007, 5:16pm
blissyu2   I've always been a great believer in following...   Wed 15th August 2007, 6:34pm
Daniel Brandt   I think that people who break the rules, or break...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:01pm
Jonny Cache   I think that people who break the rules, or brea...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:12pm
Disillusioned Lackey   What rule did Sophie break ??? — Godwin's...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:50pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='blissyu2' post='43069' date='Wed 15t...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:18pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Well I think its kind of...charming that Blissy ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:25pm
D.A.F.   I've always been a great believer in followin...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:22pm
Kato   Okay, let's look at that stupid example from ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:33pm
blissyu2   Sorry Bliss, but this is just nonsense. It might ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:43pm
Kato   What admin powers? I am not, and never have been...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:27pm
blissyu2   What admin powers? I am not, and never have bee...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:54pm
Disillusioned Lackey   First off, I have an instinct to push my views ah...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:58pm
blissyu2   So basically you are saying that you are a Karl R...   Wed 15th August 2007, 9:07pm
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='43124' d...   Wed 15th August 2007, 9:23pm
Jonny Cache   Sorry Bliss, but this is just nonsense. It might ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:48pm
D.A.F.   Okay, let's look at that stupid example from ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:47pm
blissyu2   Yeah well, nit picking because I said that people ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 7:57pm
D.A.F.   Furthermore, I describe terrorism as "violen...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:04pm
Disillusioned Lackey   You should not, ever, break any laws or rules, no...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:07pm
blissyu2   This is the last time that I go back to a long pos...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:01pm
blissyu2   My grandmother, I'll have you know, is one of ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:10pm
Disillusioned Lackey   My grandmother, I'll have you know, is one of...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:16pm
Infoboy   Martin Luther King Jr. broke laws, too. So did Geo...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:41pm
Disillusioned Lackey   We don't break any of Wikipedia's rules ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 8:45pm
Jonny Cache   Duh-Rove-A? Read that with a Bob-&-Doug (Mac ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 9:22pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Duh-Rove-A? Read that with a Bob-&-Doug (Mac...   Wed 15th August 2007, 10:24pm
blissyu2   Hey hey hey I didn't say I liked to manipulate...   Wed 15th August 2007, 9:28pm
Disillusioned Lackey   I actually might surprise you with what I know abo...   Wed 15th August 2007, 9:37pm
blissyu2   Do you know what the 3 major election issues are r...   Wed 15th August 2007, 10:39pm
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SqueakBox   Do you know what the 3 major election issues are...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:48am
jorge   Australia falling behind the rest iof the world ...   Thu 16th August 2007, 10:43am
blissyu2   Australia falling behind the rest iof the world i...   Thu 16th August 2007, 11:12am
blissyu2   Anyway I hijacked this thread because I don't ...   Wed 15th August 2007, 11:53pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Anyway I hijacked this thread because I don't...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:13am
Nathan   The woman in that image looks suspiciously like Lu...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:19am
Disillusioned Lackey   The woman in that image looks suspiciously like L...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:41am
Nathan   Ronald McDonald? Not quite though. It's Lucy....   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:57am
blissyu2   Okay how about this idea: As a new user, when you...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:08am
Nathan   This makes too much sense though, and you know the...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:21am
BobbyBombastic   Wow, what a thread! Philosophy of ethics, his...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:31am
Disillusioned Lackey   Reading [Durova's] articles, I cannot help bu...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:20pm
thekohser   Ok, I've watched Durova walk up to a mud-figh...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:58pm
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='43284' d...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:00pm
thekohser   What's your take on Durova's scintillatin...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:37pm
Disillusioned Lackey   What's your take on Durova's scintillati...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:50pm
jdrand   Durova is what you might call — he bites his to...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:37am
Jonny Cache   My Fave Duh-Rov-Ism Jonny B)   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:14pm
Disillusioned Lackey   My Fave Duh-Rov-Ism Jonny B) Jesus. You...   Thu 16th August 2007, 12:38pm
Daniel Brandt   She keeps getting scarier and scarier: http://en....   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:09pm
Disillusioned Lackey   [url=http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Moving-forward-p...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:41pm
blissyu2   I wrote Durova an e-mail. If she replies, I'l...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:49pm
Disillusioned Lackey   I wrote Durova an e-mail. If she replies, I...   Thu 16th August 2007, 1:52pm
Jonny Cache   I wrote Durova an e-mail. If she replies, I...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:00pm
Daniel Brandt   Prediction: Durova will end up leaving Wikipedia w...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:03pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Wow, 10 death threats a week, 5 torture monologue...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:08pm
blissyu2   You've done well never to get any e-mail death...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:09pm
Nathan   You've done well never to get any e-mail deat...   Thu 16th August 2007, 5:03pm
blissyu2   I actually like what we know about Durova. She is...   Thu 16th August 2007, 2:54pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Bliss. What I like about you is your optimism. A...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:08pm
blissyu2   Actually my dad is a child psychologist, but I thi...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:24pm
Disillusioned Lackey   I beg to differ. Give him a shot. Tell him you ...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:33pm
Kato   I'm a bit confused. Durova was instrumental in...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:37pm
Jonny Cache   Yeah she's talked some crap off wiki, I hardl...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:42pm
Kato   [quote name='Kato' post='43328' date='Thu 16th Au...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:44pm
blissyu2   [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='43329' date='Thu ...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:53pm
Disillusioned Lackey   I'm a bit confused. Durova was instrumental i...   Thu 16th August 2007, 3:58pm
blissyu2   Okay so let's think of the deal. Wikipedia cr...   Thu 16th August 2007, 4:06pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Okay so let's think of the deal. Wikipedia c...   Thu 16th August 2007, 4:10pm
GlassBeadGame   The essential characteristic of Durova is that she...   Thu 16th August 2007, 4:26pm
Jonny Cache   The essential characteristic of Durova is that sh...   Thu 16th August 2007, 4:34pm
GlassBeadGame   The essential characteristic of Durova is that s...   Thu 16th August 2007, 4:54pm
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