The Wikipedia Review: A forum for discussion and criticism of Wikipedia
Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Pages

Welcome, Guest! ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Erm... What happened in the last day?
Avillia
post Wed 17th May 2006, 5:56pm
Post #1


Member
***

Group: Contributors
Posts: 106
Joined: Tue 11th Apr 2006, 9:10pm
Member No.: 118

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



You have to login now to view -any- of Wikipedia Review.

Is this intentional or did someone just botch it up?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Selina
post Wed 17th May 2006, 7:01pm
Post #2


Cat herder
******

Group: Staffy
Posts: 1,513
Joined: Sun 19th Feb 2006, 10:28pm
Member No.: 1

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



An experiment really... I noticed some admins gave up using their account but still lurked on the boards, using what people say here as a weapon against them, so I think it may be beneficial... I dunno. It's not any harm to see how it goes anyway
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Donny
post Thu 18th May 2006, 12:53am
Post #3


Member
***

Group: Contributors
Posts: 240
Joined: Fri 24th Mar 2006, 11:27pm
Member No.: 79



QUOTE(Selina @ Thu 18th May 2006, 4:01am) *

An experiment really... I noticed some admins gave up using their account but still lurked on the boards, using what people say here as a weapon against them, so I think it may be beneficial... I dunno. It's not any harm to see how it goes anyway

My feeling is that it's not a good idea, for two reasons. First, people should take responsibility for what they are saying here. It's clear that the Wikipedians are going to use anything that people say against them, but then again Wikipedia is currently a nightmare of manipulative behaviour and general shenanigans. Secondly, not allowing unregistered users to read the forum stops new members from seeing what we are discussing, and may stop people from wanting to join the forum. What this forum needs is lots more members, and more public awareness, and making it unreadable seems contradictory. Besides that, won't it be possible for non-members to read the forum simply by looking at the Google cache?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Avillia
post Thu 18th May 2006, 2:36am
Post #4


Member
***

Group: Contributors
Posts: 106
Joined: Tue 11th Apr 2006, 9:10pm
Member No.: 118

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



How about... We get a modification that shows all users as anon unless they are logged in. This is IPB, right?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Daniel Brandt
post Thu 18th May 2006, 4:19am
Post #5


Postmaster
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 2,473
Joined: Fri 24th Mar 2006, 12:23am
Member No.: 77



What's the point of hoping that you rank well on Google, Yahoo, and MSN if you force the search engines to drop all of your pages?

By requiring anyone to log in who follows a link from a search engine, you may pick up a few registrations. But your traffic will go down significantly. Then when the crawlers decide that there's nothing for them at Wikipedia Review except the same old login page, they'll drop WR like a rock. If that happens, you may have a hard time getting them back inside of two or three months, even after lifting the login requirement.

This is not a good idea if you want WR to win friends and influence people.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Blu Aardvark
post Thu 18th May 2006, 5:32am
Post #6


Gone
*****

Group: On Vacation
Posts: 907
Joined: Sun 26th Feb 2006, 10:46pm
Member No.: 2

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



I agree with the above. We really shouldn't hide our boards. People are accountable for what they say here, and it should be that way.

I agree about hiding some boards, such as the tar pit, but our main forums should remain open.

Screw the Wikipedia admin-trolls. They are going to watch this board regardless, whether it is with their own account, a sleeper account, or a communal account. Let's not sacrifice our open nature in the name of dealing with trolls, because hey, that's what Wikipedia does.

If you do not want to be held accountable for your posts, sign up with an username that will grant anonymity. (I often wish that I had stayed macho-anonymous instead of boldly stating my identity on this forum and on Wikipedia).
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
God of War
post Thu 18th May 2006, 5:57am
Post #7


New Member
*

Group: Contributors
Posts: 43
Joined: Mon 27th Feb 2006, 6:34am
Member No.: 6



This board should be viewable. On ocasion I have linked here from IRC and whatnot.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Selina
post Thu 18th May 2006, 9:57am
Post #8


Cat herder
******

Group: Staffy
Posts: 1,513
Joined: Sun 19th Feb 2006, 10:28pm
Member No.: 1

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



k, undid.. I see what you mean.

Maybe we need to set up a warning in the reply box or something though, similar to Wikipedia's one about not copying copyrighted material

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req.../Tony_Sidaway_3 and search the page for "wikipedia review" or "wikipediareview"
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Sgrayban
post Thu 18th May 2006, 10:00am
Post #9


Gone
*****

Group: On Vacation
Posts: 907
Joined: Sun 26th Feb 2006, 10:29pm
Member No.: 7

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req.../Tony_Sidaway_3 -- no such article

04:57, 18 May 2006 Shanel deleted "Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3" (content was: '#REDIRECT User:Tony Sidaway/Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3' (and the only contributor was 'Shanel'))
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Selina
post Thu 18th May 2006, 10:02am
Post #10


Cat herder
******

Group: Staffy
Posts: 1,513
Joined: Sun 19th Feb 2006, 10:28pm
Member No.: 1

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Avillia @ Thu 18th May 2006, 2:36am) *

How about... We get a modification that shows all users as anon unless they are logged in. This is IPB, right?

What do you have in mind though? Just showing IPs? it wouldn't really help I think, since it doesn't necessarily let you know it's someone from Wikipedia....

QUOTE(sgrayban @ Thu 18th May 2006, 10:00am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req.../Tony_Sidaway_3 -- no such article

04:57, 18 May 2006 Shanel deleted "Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3" (content was: '#REDIRECT User:Tony Sidaway/Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3' (and the only contributor was 'Shanel'))

[[Special:Log/delete?page=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Tony_Sidaway_3]]

Deleted as of today, was here yesterday - Shanel o'course

It's here:
[[User:Tony_Sidaway/Requests_for_comment/Tony_Sidaway_3]]

I've saved in case Sidaway deletes it
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Sgrayban
post Thu 18th May 2006, 10:08am
Post #11


Gone
*****

Group: On Vacation
Posts: 907
Joined: Sun 26th Feb 2006, 10:29pm
Member No.: 7

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



Interesting remarks made
QUOTE
Addendum comment by FeloniousMonk

Unsurprisingly I suppose, this RFC and Nathanrdotcom have a connection to chronic troublemakers at Wikipedia Review and specifically, Zordac/bliss2yu. Those in the know, know where to look. I'm curious to know exactly how many disruptions, groundless accusations and baseless actions here at wikipedia either arise from, or are otherwise related to, this group. FeloniousMonk 15:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Completely and utterly irrelevant. Are you going to judge me on who my friends are now? For the record (and I feel I have to say it), I've known Zordac since the late 90's, long before Wikipedia was even a gleam in Jimbo's eye. - Nathan 15:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
blissyu2
post Thu 18th May 2006, 11:30am
Post #12


the wookie
*********

Group: On Vacation
Posts: 4,596
Joined: Mon 27th Feb 2006, 12:14am
From: Australia
Member No.: 5

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(sgrayban @ Thu 18th May 2006, 7:38pm) *

Interesting remarks made
QUOTE
Addendum comment by FeloniousMonk

Unsurprisingly I suppose, this RFC and Nathanrdotcom have a connection to chronic troublemakers at Wikipedia Review and specifically, Zordac/bliss2yu. Those in the know, know where to look. I'm curious to know exactly how many disruptions, groundless accusations and baseless actions here at wikipedia either arise from, or are otherwise related to, this group. FeloniousMonk 15:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Completely and utterly irrelevant. Are you going to judge me on who my friends are now? For the record (and I feel I have to say it), I've known Zordac since the late 90's, long before Wikipedia was even a gleam in Jimbo's eye. - Nathan 15:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)



Since July 1996, to be precise. Not that we've kept in constant contact though. I hadn't heard much from him for about 3 years before just recently. And from what 1997-2000 or so we didn't know that each other existed. I didn't know he was Nathan in 1996 though, and he didn't know my real name. Interesting story that. We both used pseudonyms. He knew me as Cat and I knew him as, um, well, I forget what name he used then actually. It was interesting that when we met again 4 years later we had no idea that it was the same person. Took like a year to figure it out.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Sgrayban
post Thu 18th May 2006, 11:39am
Post #13


Gone
*****

Group: On Vacation
Posts: 907
Joined: Sun 26th Feb 2006, 10:29pm
Member No.: 7

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



Actually I was referring to the chronic troublemakers at Wikipedia Review which I chuckled about. Not the personal association..... tongue.gif

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Nathan
post Thu 18th May 2006, 9:19pm
Post #14


Retired
******

Group: Inactive
Posts: 1,609
Joined: Mon 27th Feb 2006, 6:35pm
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Member No.: 17

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



Selina, I was thinking of commenting about being called a troll (in the RfC) just for using Wikipedia Review but you beat me to it (though it wasn't until after the fact that I noticed). tongue.gif

also...

QUOTE(sgrayban @ Thu 18th May 2006, 6:00am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req.../Tony_Sidaway_3 -- no such article

04:57, 18 May 2006 Shanel deleted "Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3" (content was: '#REDIRECT User:Tony Sidaway/Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3' (and the only contributor was 'Shanel'))


FTR, I asked for it to be deleted and dropped. That's my fault that I didn't provide a backup for everyone to read, sorry. Please don't blame Shanel, she did as I asked.

Tony Sidaway has this backed up in his userspace (keeping it breeds more negative feelings but some admins never listen, and why would my saying so stop them).

Link was previously provided - I don't think Sidaway will delete it from his userspace - he tends to keep things so he can look at them later and laugh at who posted.

blissyu2 - I went by 'Sunspot' at the time. Don't ask, I don't remember where I made that name up from. I think it was a random thing. Interestingly enough, I'm still known as that on one talker (amazing there are still talkers left).

I e-mailed FeloniousMonk to make sure my comment (above) was noticed and added (because sometimes, I enjoy causing trouble): "I should not be held accountable for what my friends choose to do any more than my friends should be held accountable for what I do - that is a completely absurd and ridiculous notion. Oh, and you can go ahead and label me a troll because I post on Wikipedia Review. As you pointed out, wikipedians have no rights - nor do they have any right whatsoever to question authority on Wikipedia in or outside the wiki."

I figured you'd like that one. I love using sarcasm as a weapon.

- Nathan
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

-   Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 16th 4 14, 6:57pm