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post Thu 23rd August 2007, 7:51am
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So, I sat down and read the entire New Yorker article about Wikipedia, including the editor's note about Essjay, i.e., Ryan Jordan, the man-child who falsified his resume and was praised for it by Jimmy Wales. In the aftermath, The New York Times wrote about the whole thing, which wound up embarrassing Wales and Wikipedia enough to cut Jordan loose.

So far, so good, but then I noticed something in the NYT piece. An administrator identified as WJBscribe is quoted rising to the young liar's defense thusly:

Just wanted to express my 100 percent support for everything you do around here. I think you were totally entitled to protect your identity. Don't let all the fuss get you down!"

Folks, this is the same WJBscribe who has intervened to censor verified, public-record information from the Matt Sanchez article that I discussed previously in the Articles section of this site. He has also banned me from Wikipedia. I guess it's par for the course, but then maybe it's par for the course on this website is to point out that Wikipedia has an active administrator who removes facts and defends fabricators.

No wonder the thing is going down in flames. I don't know if anyone saw the latest Colbert segment on Wikipedia broadcast on August 22, but I'd say Wikipedia is rapidly turning into the punch line of a joke. It's their own fault. Last spring, they got a clear warning to turn things around, but their arrogance and irresponsibility prevented them from doing anything. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

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post Thu 23rd August 2007, 8:26pm
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Yes, well, perhaps a more pertinent point to make is this: what harm did he cause to Wikipedia? I mean in terms of what articles did he hurt? What people did he hurt? Obviously the media storm caused harm, but that's a separate issue really.
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post Thu 23rd August 2007, 8:41pm
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QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Thu 23rd August 2007, 8:26pm) *

Yes, well, perhaps a more pertinent point to make is this: what harm did he cause to Wikipedia? I mean in terms of what articles did he hurt? What people did he hurt? Obviously the media storm caused harm, but that's a separate issue really.


I don't have the time or inclination to find the posts, but it was well-established that he used his false credentials in deletion discussions, as well as posed as the professor character in "official" e-mails concerning Wikipedia situations. I put "official" in quotes not as his working for Wikimedia, but as working on Wikipedia.

Beyond that, even if he didn't explicitly use his "credentials" in terms of content, the simple fact that, anti-expert or not, people tend to defer to those who demonstrate higher levels of education is reason enough to consider the "harm" he did. Had I the tools and energy at the time, I would have seriously considered reverting all of his articlespace changes based on that alone - that he likely conned people into inherently trusting his "knowledge" based on his alleged stature.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the anti-expert model - I think most agree that it works in various forms, even if there's a vocal contingent who believe otherwise here. The problem is that you still have inherent trusts and biases, and those inherent trusts and biases make figuring out the true harm of what Jordan did uncalculable. Hell, I rarely interacted with him and would have likely deferred to him on the few issues I can think of, or at least failed to question him. Multiply that by the thousands, and you start to get the scope.
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post Thu 23rd August 2007, 9:43pm
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QUOTE(badlydrawnjeff @ Thu 23rd August 2007, 4:41pm) *

Beyond that, even if he didn't explicitly use his "credentials" in terms of content, the simple fact that, anti-expert or not, people tend to defer to those who demonstrate higher levels of education is reason enough to consider the "harm" he did. Had I the tools and energy at the time, I would have seriously considered reverting all of his articlespace changes based on that alone - that he likely conned people into inherently trusting his "knowledge" based on his alleged stature.


Yes, see [[User:Essjay/Letter]].
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Pwok   Administrator WJBscribe   Thu 23rd August 2007, 7:51am
No one of consequence   Timing and context are important here. For a coup...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 4:42pm
Pwok   "Timing and context are important here"?...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 6:23pm
alienus   No, not here. WJBscribe expressed his support aft...   Sat 25th August 2007, 2:38am
LamontStormstar   [quote name='Pwok' post='45062' date='Thu 23rd Au...   Sat 25th August 2007, 2:59am
blissyu2   I've seen one thing Jayjg has done for years ...   Sat 25th August 2007, 6:14am
alienus   I've seen one thing Jayjg has done for years ...   Sat 25th August 2007, 8:52am
blissyu2   Yes, but this is the same WJBscribe who banned Mal...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 6:28pm
LamontStormstar   Yes, but this is the same WJBscribe who banned Ma...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 9:05pm
Pwok   This is not a question of someone being "all ...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 6:50pm
blissyu2   Well, I think you'll find that a lot of people...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 8:06pm
Pwok   Well, I think you'll find that a lot of people...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 8:23pm
Pwok   Yes, see User:Essjay/Letter. Yup, right down the m...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 9:47pm
Pwok   Wow, you simply don't want to grasp the issue,...   Thu 23rd August 2007, 8:35pm
alienus   Fuck Wikipedia I couldn't have said it better...   Sat 25th August 2007, 3:26am
LamontStormstar   Although Essjay had a fake bio and all... Was he ...   Fri 24th August 2007, 7:23am
blissyu2   Although Essjay had a fake bio and all... Was he...   Fri 24th August 2007, 7:29am
LamontStormstar   3) At one point he protected my user talk page fo...   Fri 24th August 2007, 8:30am
everyking   He may have done more, I don't know. We didn...   Fri 24th August 2007, 8:34am
LamontStormstar   He may have done more, I don't know. We did...   Fri 24th August 2007, 8:40am
Pwok   Although Essjay had a fake bio and all... Was he...   Fri 24th August 2007, 8:15am
LamontStormstar   "I've analyized their writing style...   Sat 25th August 2007, 6:01am


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