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| Patrick Byrne |
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Congratulations on the great progress you have made defrocking some high clergy of Wikipedia since I last visited. Full disclosure: My name is Patrick Byrne. I work at Overstock.com, which for about one year has employed a former journalist named Judd Bagley to oversee the creation of our car tab and a Wiki called "Omuse," handle relations with the press, and design a new tab (in the works). Long before Judd joined our company, and as a hobby since, he was analyzing techniques employed by a small group of people to hijack social media. Using the handle "Wordbomb" he posted the results of his analysis on this site and on a site he created called "antisocialmedia.net" (for the record, he did not tell me about antisocialmedia.net before he did it, nor for some time after its creation would he confirm that it was he who was behind it). In your admirable endeavors to unscramble what is going on behind the scenes at Wikipedia, Judd/Wordbomb has done his share of work. By a strange coincidence (?), one of the people whose pefidy this community has uncloaked, Slim Virgin, turned out to be a woman from my own past, and I posted elsewhere on this site such information as I thought might be helpful to you (which Mr. Brandt seemed to appreciate). I say this all in full disclosure because the financial press labors to find any incompleteness in my posts on the Internet, apparently finding something unholy in my exercise of first amendment rights without availing myself of (or recognizing the need for) their services. Now to my point: Nothing is more irritating, I know, than to have someone suggest to you that your own cause is really part of a bigger struggle. One always suspects an attempt to divert one's energies into whichever other cause that speaker favors. So I insist that I seek no diversion from your own current, noble, efforts, when I suggest to you that the threads you are pulling here lead deeply into the heart of a financial scandal that has been percolating into the headlines for six months, and may swamp any financial scandal of our lifetime. On another message board within Overstock.com I have begun synthesizing information about that scandal, starting by creating one concise, cohesive overview post. Rather than gum up this board with information about that other financial scandal, I will give a link to that overview post: HOW THE SYSTEM REALLY WORKS: INTROAfter you have read that you will wonder if there is independent confirmation of what I wrote there. There is a great deal, and organizing it will be the subject of my subsequent posts. In the meantime, however, consider taking 25 minutes to watch a Bloomberg Special Report, " Phantom Shares". Bloomberg has the most "elite" viewership of any news organization in the world (which may count against it in the eyes of some radicals, I know). Consider what it means when a news service at the pinnacle of the Establishment reports that our capitalist model is powered by a reactor that almost no one has heard of, and that this reactor that has a crack in it (and why it is that only such an elite news service could run that story). Given my earlier involvement on the Slim Virgin issue, I hope that Daniel Brandt and you will forgive what may seem like a commercial interruption. I simply wish you to understand how what your are confronting here really is part of a larger puzzle, so that you may know the stakes riding on your efforts. Warm regards, Patrick M. Byrne CEO, Overstock.com
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| Patrick Byrne |
Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:03pm
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I'll address two points in one post. Vandal says: It isn't practical to ensure that it is possible to borrow what is being sold, one just has to assume that it is. Inevitably this leads to occasional naked shorting.
That can be differentiated from deliberate naked short selling with no intention to settle - but there is little evidence of this happening...
I absolutely agree that setting out to naked short sell is market manipulation, but that news report doesn't really provide any evidence of that.In fact, Vandal, the SEC hired an economist, Leslie Boni, to study that very question. She was unique in that she was granted access to a great deal more data than other researchers have ever been allowed. She used it to test the hypothesis that these unsettled trades are arising out of "random human error" as some say (I call it "The Dog Ate My Stock Certificate Defense"). If it were truly random human error, then these errors would be spread across the market like a smooth layer of peanut butter, right? In fact, however, they are heavily concentrated in a comparitively small number of stocks, which is inconsistent with the hypoethsis that they are random, and consistent with the hypoethsis that they are deliberate, or "strategic" (unless one is going to postulate the existence of dogs smart enough to eat only certificates of high neg rebate stocks). Strategic delivery failures in U.S. equity marketshttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/artic...f955d51c395a8fePwok says, "CEO Byrne introduced the Overstock.com dispute here, and I told him exactly what I thought of him, his company, and the dispute. " You make my point for me once again, Pwok. Other than the introductory disclaimer identifying myself I have done everything possible to divorce this dispute from Overstock. The post to which I linked does not even mention Overstock. The fact is that so far you have refused to engage this subject beyond the facile bromides and knee-jerk insults one sees on a Yahoo message board. Good luck with that. Patrick
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Patrick Byrne Seeing A Bigger Picture Sat 1st September 2007, 9:07pm Unrepentant Vandal I just don't know how to respond here.
On the... Sat 1st September 2007, 9:13pm Patrick Byrne "But on the other, I think that the campaign ... Sat 1st September 2007, 9:33pm Pwok Sorry, CEO Byrne, but when I clicked on the Bloomb... Sat 1st September 2007, 9:35pm Unrepentant Vandal
Sorry, CEO Byrne, but when I clicked on the Bloom... Sat 1st September 2007, 9:41pm  Patrick Byrne
[quote name='Pwok' post='47706' date='Sat 1st Sep... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:16pm   Unrepentant Vandal
[quote name='Pwok' post='47706' date='Sat 1st Se... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:25pm   LamontStormstar Mr Byrne, now you have an odd site. It at first l... Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:26am    Patrick Byrne
Mr Byrne, now you have an odd site. It at first ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:24pm     LamontStormstar
As far as Wikipedia goes, yes, those pages are po... Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:41pm Pwok Let me add: I don't trade in the market. When ... Sat 1st September 2007, 9:43pm Unrepentant Vandal
Let me add: I don't trade in the market. When... Sat 1st September 2007, 9:57pm Patrick Byrne Pwok,
Funny, the Bloomberg link works for me. Her... Sat 1st September 2007, 9:48pm dtobias
Pwok,
Funny, the Bloomberg link works for me. He... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:01pm  Unrepentant Vandal
[quote name='Patrick Byrne' post='47710' date='Sa... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:02pm Nathan A warm (re)welcome to Wikipedia Review. Sat 1st September 2007, 9:59pm Pwok Here's a snippet of what I get when I click th... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:08pm Patrick Byrne
Here's a snippet of what I get when I click t... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:35pm  Nathan
A warm welcome to Wikipedia Review.
Thank you ... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:49pm Pwok Oh, please, Mr. Byrne!
You don't know me ... Sat 1st September 2007, 10:41pm Patrick Byrne
Oh, please, Mr. Byrne!
You don't know me... Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:38am Somey What a bunch of smarmy, sleazy crap. I just [i]hat... Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:37am Patrick Byrne Somey,
Cool, man. What a welcome change it is to ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:56am  Somey There's a deal?
I do try to keep an open mind... Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:32am   tarantino
Oh, and by all means, tell the Juddster that Pwok... Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:18am    Somey Am I the only one who finds Somey's continued ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:24am    Kato
Am I the only one who finds Somey's continued... Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:00pm     Unrepentant Vandal
Am I the only one who finds Somey's continue... Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:21pm    Daniel Brandt
Am I the only one who finds Somey's continued... Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:44pm     tarantino
Am I the only one who finds Somey's continue... Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:05pm      gomi
[quote name='tarantino' post='47804' date='Sat 1s... Sun 2nd September 2007, 5:41pm       Pwok Also, do try to remember that this is Wikipedia Re... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:05pm        Somey Yeah, what he said!
Not that I especially car... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:29pm         Pwok Well, you're new here... so it might be best i... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:57pm          Unrepentant Vandal
Pit trading is quickly vanishing as the exchanges... Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:08pm          Nathan
By the way, what is "Wordbomb?" As you ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:17pm          Somey By the way, what is "Wordbomb?" As you s... Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:18pm     LamontStormstar
and every single post, from admins and lesser mor... Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:29pm   Herschelkrustofsky
Either way, the naked shorting seems like just o... Tue 4th September 2007, 12:47am gomi Welcome, Mr. Byrne -
I agree with you that ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:41am Patrick Byrne
Welcome, Mr. Byrne -
I agree with you that ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:19am  Kato
As I was quoted as saying in Fortune, "Somew... Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:08am Unrepentant Vandal
I agree with you that "naked" short sel... Sun 2nd September 2007, 9:21am Pwok If someone is short-selling shares that haven... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:08am Somey I'm retired. I did a bunch of things. Enough t... Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:49am  Patrick Byrne "CEO Byrne is pissed about his stock and his ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:43pm  Pwok Yikes. You're quite [i]sure you're not Lir... Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:07pm   Emperor
In the midst of all this, naked shorting is a not... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:34pm Jonny Cache Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !!... Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:34pm Patrick Byrne
Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !!... Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:39pm  Jonny Cache
Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !... Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:45pm  Unrepentant Vandal
Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !... Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:48pm   dtobias
With respect, it explains but it doesn't anal... Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:06pm Somey I'm still concerned about this whole "dis... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:07pm Pwok I suggest that no one go batshit. CEO Byrne introd... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:15pm Kato
I'm not sure why individual companies have ar... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:25pm JohnA Having actually seen the Bloomberg news item to wh... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:25pm Jonny Cache
I'm still concerned about this whole "di... Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:36pm Unrepentant Vandal I don't have access to that paper (I did have ... Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:09pm Patrick Byrne
I don't have access to that paper (I did have... Sun 2nd September 2007, 10:44pm  Unrepentant Vandal
I don't have access to that paper (I did hav... Sun 2nd September 2007, 11:00pm Pwok Well, CEO Byrne, I pretty much shot my wad when it... Sun 2nd September 2007, 11:08pm Patrick Byrne
Well, CEO Byrne, I pretty much shot my wad when i... Mon 3rd September 2007, 12:34am Pwok I don't like it when web arguments go 'rou... Mon 3rd September 2007, 12:49am Unrepentant Vandal I've read the paper, and essentially it agrees... Mon 3rd September 2007, 5:07pm LamontStormstar
I've read the paper, and essentially it agree... Tue 4th September 2007, 4:22am evren
It adds liquidity the way mobbing up a city woul... Tue 4th September 2007, 5:09am Jonny Cache
Surely, if shoplifting was no longer a crime —... Tue 4th September 2007, 5:20am Unrepentant Vandal
...and I am speechless. I guess it takes just suc... Tue 4th September 2007, 8:21am tarantino
...and I am speechless. I guess it takes just su... Wed 26th September 2007, 5:00pm Unrepentant Vandal Heh, I just noticed he accused me of trading curre... Thu 27th September 2007, 8:40am
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