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Patrick Byrne
post Sat 1st September 2007, 9:07pm
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Congratulations on the great progress you have made defrocking some high clergy of Wikipedia since I last visited.

Full disclosure: My name is Patrick Byrne. I work at Overstock.com, which for about one year has employed a former journalist named Judd Bagley to oversee the creation of our car tab and a Wiki called "Omuse," handle relations with the press, and design a new tab (in the works). Long before Judd joined our company, and as a hobby since, he was analyzing techniques employed by a small group of people to hijack social media. Using the handle "Wordbomb" he posted the results of his analysis on this site and on a site he created called "antisocialmedia.net" (for the record, he did not tell me about antisocialmedia.net before he did it, nor for some time after its creation would he confirm that it was he who was behind it). In your admirable endeavors to unscramble what is going on behind the scenes at Wikipedia, Judd/Wordbomb has done his share of work. By a strange coincidence (?), one of the people whose pefidy this community has uncloaked, Slim Virgin, turned out to be a woman from my own past, and I posted elsewhere on this site such information as I thought might be helpful to you (which Mr. Brandt seemed to appreciate). I say this all in full disclosure because the financial press labors to find any incompleteness in my posts on the Internet, apparently finding something unholy in my exercise of first amendment rights without availing myself of (or recognizing the need for) their services.

Now to my point: Nothing is more irritating, I know, than to have someone suggest to you that your own cause is really part of a bigger struggle. One always suspects an attempt to divert one's energies into whichever other cause that speaker favors. So I insist that I seek no diversion from your own current, noble, efforts, when I suggest to you that the threads you are pulling here lead deeply into the heart of a financial scandal that has been percolating into the headlines for six months, and may swamp any financial scandal of our lifetime.

On another message board within Overstock.com I have begun synthesizing information about that scandal, starting by creating one concise, cohesive overview post. Rather than gum up this board with information about that other financial scandal, I will give a link to that overview post: HOW THE SYSTEM REALLY WORKS: INTRO

After you have read that you will wonder if there is independent confirmation of what I wrote there. There is a great deal, and organizing it will be the subject of my subsequent posts. In the meantime, however, consider taking 25 minutes to watch a Bloomberg Special Report, "Phantom Shares". Bloomberg has the most "elite" viewership of any news organization in the world (which may count against it in the eyes of some radicals, I know). Consider what it means when a news service at the pinnacle of the Establishment reports that our capitalist model is powered by a reactor that almost no one has heard of, and that this reactor that has a crack in it (and why it is that only such an elite news service could run that story).

Given my earlier involvement on the Slim Virgin issue, I hope that Daniel Brandt and you will forgive what may seem like a commercial interruption. I simply wish you to understand how what your are confronting here really is part of a larger puzzle, so that you may know the stakes riding on your efforts.

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Patrick M. Byrne
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 5:09am
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I've read the paper, and essentially it agrees with me - naked short selling is inevitable and adds to liquidity in the market, and thus prevents volatility.


It adds liquidity the way mobbing up a city would add liquidity. Since when is that a desirable outcome? Additional liquidity is a desirable outcome, with everything else being equal and when fairness and transparency of the market is assumed.

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In other words it's essential.


...and I am speechless. I guess it takes just such a constitution to trade a hundred times daily in currency markets. Some abstract idea of liquidity (which is usually a polite word for bigger profits for whoever is talking) before all other concerns.

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Gary Weiss says something like that. That naked short selling prevents fraud of companies and overinflation of stock.


Surely, if shoplifting was no longer a crime -- weaker companies would fail first and stronger ones would be kept from "overinflating". Again, it comes to down to what your priorities are.
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 5:20am
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Gary Weiss says something like that. That naked short selling prevents fraud of companies and overinflation of stock.


Surely, if shoplifting was no longer a crime — weaker companies would fail first and stronger ones would be kept from "overinflating". Again, it comes to down to what your priorities are.


Not that simple. A few companies that were actually weaker on the fundamentals might turn out to be adept at recruiting gangs of shoplifters who would build up their inventories at their competitors' expense.

Oh wait —

BTDT

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Patrick Byrne   Seeing A Bigger Picture   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:07pm
Unrepentant Vandal   I just don't know how to respond here. On the...   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:13pm
Patrick Byrne   "But on the other, I think that the campaign ...   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:33pm
Pwok   Sorry, CEO Byrne, but when I clicked on the Bloomb...   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:35pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Sorry, CEO Byrne, but when I clicked on the Bloom...   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:41pm
Patrick Byrne   [quote name='Pwok' post='47706' date='Sat 1st Sep...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:16pm
Unrepentant Vandal   [quote name='Pwok' post='47706' date='Sat 1st Se...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:25pm
LamontStormstar   Mr Byrne, now you have an odd site. It at first l...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:26am
Patrick Byrne   Mr Byrne, now you have an odd site. It at first ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:24pm
LamontStormstar   As far as Wikipedia goes, yes, those pages are po...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:41pm
Pwok   Let me add: I don't trade in the market. When ...   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:43pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Let me add: I don't trade in the market. When...   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:57pm
Patrick Byrne   Pwok, Funny, the Bloomberg link works for me. Her...   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:48pm
dtobias   Pwok, Funny, the Bloomberg link works for me. He...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:01pm
Unrepentant Vandal   [quote name='Patrick Byrne' post='47710' date='Sa...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:02pm
Nathan   A warm (re)welcome to Wikipedia Review.   Sat 1st September 2007, 9:59pm
Pwok   Here's a snippet of what I get when I click th...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:08pm
Patrick Byrne   Here's a snippet of what I get when I click t...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:35pm
Nathan   A warm welcome to Wikipedia Review. Thank you ...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:49pm
Pwok   Oh, please, Mr. Byrne! You don't know me ...   Sat 1st September 2007, 10:41pm
Patrick Byrne   Oh, please, Mr. Byrne! You don't know me...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:38am
Somey   What a bunch of smarmy, sleazy crap. I just [i]hat...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:37am
Patrick Byrne   Somey, Cool, man. What a welcome change it is to ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:56am
Somey   There's a deal? I do try to keep an open mind...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:32am
tarantino   Oh, and by all means, tell the Juddster that Pwok...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:18am
Somey   Am I the only one who finds Somey's continued ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:24am
Kato   Am I the only one who finds Somey's continued...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:00pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Am I the only one who finds Somey's continue...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:21pm
Daniel Brandt   Am I the only one who finds Somey's continued...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 1:44pm
tarantino   Am I the only one who finds Somey's continue...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:05pm
gomi   [quote name='tarantino' post='47804' date='Sat 1s...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 5:41pm
Pwok   Also, do try to remember that this is Wikipedia Re...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:05pm
Somey   Yeah, what he said! Not that I especially car...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:29pm
Pwok   Well, you're new here... so it might be best i...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:57pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Pit trading is quickly vanishing as the exchanges...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:08pm
Nathan   By the way, what is "Wordbomb?" As you ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:17pm
Somey   By the way, what is "Wordbomb?" As you s...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:18pm
LamontStormstar   and every single post, from admins and lesser mor...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:29pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Either way, the naked shorting seems like just o...   Tue 4th September 2007, 12:47am
gomi   Welcome, Mr. Byrne - I agree with you that ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:41am
Patrick Byrne   Welcome, Mr. Byrne - I agree with you that ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:19am
Kato   As I was quoted as saying in Fortune, "Somew...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:08am
Unrepentant Vandal   I agree with you that "naked" short sel...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 9:21am
Pwok   If someone is short-selling shares that haven...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:08am
Somey   I'm retired. I did a bunch of things. Enough t...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 7:49am
Patrick Byrne   "CEO Byrne is pissed about his stock and his ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 12:43pm
Pwok   Yikes. You're quite [i]sure you're not Lir...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 4:07pm
Emperor   In the midst of all this, naked shorting is a not...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:34pm
Jonny Cache   Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !!...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:34pm
Patrick Byrne   Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !!...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:39pm
Jonny Cache   Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:45pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Daniel, Greg, Somey, Whoever — Help !...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 2:48pm
dtobias   With respect, it explains but it doesn't anal...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 3:06pm
Somey   I'm still concerned about this whole "dis...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:07pm
Pwok   I suggest that no one go batshit. CEO Byrne introd...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:15pm
Kato   I'm not sure why individual companies have ar...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:25pm
JohnA   Having actually seen the Bloomberg news item to wh...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:25pm
Jonny Cache   I'm still concerned about this whole "di...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:36pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Most traders do not set out to fail to deliver. Bu...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 6:39pm
Patrick Byrne   I'll address two points in one post. Vandal...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:03pm
Unrepentant Vandal   I don't have access to that paper (I did have ...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 8:09pm
Patrick Byrne   I don't have access to that paper (I did have...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 10:44pm
Unrepentant Vandal   I don't have access to that paper (I did hav...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 11:00pm
Pwok   Well, CEO Byrne, I pretty much shot my wad when it...   Sun 2nd September 2007, 11:08pm
Patrick Byrne   Well, CEO Byrne, I pretty much shot my wad when i...   Mon 3rd September 2007, 12:34am
Pwok   I don't like it when web arguments go 'rou...   Mon 3rd September 2007, 12:49am
Unrepentant Vandal   I've read the paper, and essentially it agrees...   Mon 3rd September 2007, 5:07pm
LamontStormstar   I've read the paper, and essentially it agree...   Tue 4th September 2007, 4:22am
evren   It adds liquidity the way mobbing up a city woul...   Tue 4th September 2007, 5:09am
Unrepentant Vandal   ...and I am speechless. I guess it takes just suc...   Tue 4th September 2007, 8:21am
tarantino   ...and I am speechless. I guess it takes just su...   Wed 26th September 2007, 5:00pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Heh, I just noticed he accused me of trading curre...   Thu 27th September 2007, 8:40am


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