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the fieryangel
post Tue 4th September 2007, 8:34pm
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File this under "hmmmm"....

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From: wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Slim
Virgin
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:25 PM
To: wikimediameta-l at lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediameta-l] Wikimedia and cyberstalking

I'm writing a paper on cyberstalking and harassment, which I hope to
hand to the Foundation with a view to educating people about the
extent of the problem on the Wikimedia projects, and if possible
improving their responses to it.

I'd like to include some concrete examples of cyberstalking or offline
stalking that have happened to users as a result of their
participation in any of the Wikimedia projects, and particularly where
the target was picked on because they were an administrator.

If you've been a target of this yourself, or if you know of anyone who
has, I'd appreciate hearing from you at slimvirgin at gmail dot com.
All replies will be received in strictest confidence. Your name would
not have to be included in the final document, and if you're worried
about being exposed in any way, I can change all identifying details.
Nothing will be included about you without your express permission.

What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or
harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find
support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you
anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in
any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with
the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears
felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.


I'd also like to hear from women who feel they were subjected to
additional harassment because of their sex, or from gays and members
of ethnic minorities who feel they were picked on in whole or in part
because of that.

Many thanks,

Sarah

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Sheez, most of you probably think of me as a pinko leftism neo-feminist, but she's really got some nerve to ask about "women" and "gays" feeling specific harassment.

Where's Camila Paglia when you need her???
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 9:04pm
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 4th September 2007, 4:34pm) *

File this under "hmmmm"....

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Subj: [Wikimediameta-l] Wikimedia and Cyberstalking
From: wikimediameta-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Slim Virgin
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:25 PM
To: wikimediameta-l at lists.wikimedia.org

I'm writing a paper on cyberstalking and harassment, which I hope to hand to the Foundation with a view to educating people about the extent of the problem on the Wikimedia projects, and if possible improving their responses to it.

I'd like to include some concrete examples of cyberstalking or offline stalking that have happened to users as a result of their participation in any of the Wikimedia projects, and particularly where the target was picked on because they were an administrator.

If you've been a target of this yourself, or if you know of anyone who has, I'd appreciate hearing from you at slimvirgin at gmail dot com. All replies will be received in strictest confidence. Your name would not have to be included in the final document, and if you're worried about being exposed in any way, I can change all identifying details. Nothing will be included about you without your express permission.

What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.

I'd also like to hear from women who feel they were subjected to additional harassment because of their sex, or from gays and members of ethnic minorities who feel they were picked on in whole or in part because of that.

Many thanks,

Sarah


Sheez, most of you probably think of me as a pinko leftism neo-feminist, but she's really got some nerve to ask about "women" and "gays" feeling specific harassment.

Where's Camille Paglia when you need her ???


I imagine Sarah Mac "The Knife" can knock out a screenplay pretty wikipronto, but I don't how it will sell.

Maybe if she retitles its CyberSilkStalkings — modulo a small bit of IP (no, the other IP) wiki-wheeler-dealing — it might just cache some producer's eye.

Sadly, the perfect candidate, Ed Wood, has gone to his reward, but maybe we can find another Sucker, er, Candi-Date to pick up the option.

Hint Hint …

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post Tue 4th September 2007, 9:09pm
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"...particularly where the target was picked on because they were an administrator"? Dang. My heart goes out to those poor administrators. First they are routinely treated as second-class citizens by the hoi polloi, and now this.
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 9:11pm
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What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.

Sounds to me like she believes Libyan agents are trying to kidnap her poodle.
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 9:20pm
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:11pm) *

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What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.


Sounds to me like she believes Libyan agents are trying to kidnap her poodle.


Not that I'm offering to be her agent or anything of the kind — the title of "met-agent" sounds too much like "mutagen" to look good on a bizness card — but I think we ought to help her with titles for her F&SF piece.

Right now I'm torn between these three:
  • CyberSilkStalkings
  • China Doll Slimdrone
  • Driving Pierre Salinger Dazy
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 9:42pm
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:34pm) *

Where's Camila Paglia when you need her???

Probably wondering why she's been described as a "retard", and a c**t who needs "a cock to suck on" in an encyclopedia article.
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 9:45pm
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th September 2007, 3:20pm) *

QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:11pm) *

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What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.


Sounds to me like she believes Libyan agents are trying to kidnap her poodle.


Not that I'm offering to be her agent or anything of the kind — the title of "met-agent" sounds too much like "mutagen" to look good on a bizness card — but I think we ought to help her with titles for her F&SF piece.

Right now I'm torn between these three:
  • CyberSilkStalkings
  • China Doll Slimdrone
  • Driving Pierre Salinger Dazy
Jonny cool.gif


Will there be T and A ??? The obligatory love scene with the big breasted babe?

Oh well, I'm so bad...
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 9:52pm
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QUOTE(Joseph100 @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:45pm) *

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th September 2007, 3:20pm) *

QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 4th September 2007, 5:11pm) *

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What I'm most interested in hearing about is how the cyberstalking or harassment made you feel, and what happened when you tried to find support. I'd like to hear about your fears; whether it made you anxious; whether it affected your sleep or appetite, or your health in any other way; and whether you considered ending your association with the project you were involved in (or did end it). Even if your fears felt completely irrational, I'd like to hear about them.


Sounds to me like she believes Libyan agents are trying to kidnap her poodle.


Not that I'm offering to be her agent or anything of the kind — the title of "met-agent" sounds too much like "mutagen" to look good on a bizness card — but I think we ought to help her with titles for her F&SF piece.

Right now I'm torn between these three:
  • CyberSilkStalkings
  • China Doll Slimdrone
  • Driving Pierre Salinger Dazy
Jonny cool.gif


Will there be T and A ??? The obligatory love scene with the big breasted babe?

Oh well, I'm so bad …


There may be TA's — you'll have to ask Ms. T

But I get the feeling that you may be confusing this picture with Whatever Happened To Bimbo Jimbo, which is being shot on a lot across town — way, waaay, waaaaay across town.

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post Tue 4th September 2007, 10:10pm
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The irony of SlimVirgin complaining about cyberstalking is that she and especially her buddy Jayjg have had done more cyberstalking to others than everyone else has done to the two of them.

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post Tue 4th September 2007, 10:23pm
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Yes. Isn't that ironic?

Let's forget that it's SV for a moment. I could probably make a pretty good contribution to such a study. But considering it is SlimVirgin doing the study, and I'm here, I probably wouldn't be taken too seriously - not that it matters much, of course.
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post Tue 4th September 2007, 10:30pm
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QUOTE(Nathan @ Tue 4th September 2007, 6:23pm) *

Yes. Isn't that ironic?

Let's forget that it's SV for a moment. I could probably make a pretty good contribution to such a study. But considering it is SlimVirgin doing the study, and I'm here, I probably wouldn't be taken too seriously - not that it matters, of course.


Or maybe it could be a Country & Western song :

I Was a CyberStalker before CyberStalking was Cyber

I hope y'all appreciate how tough it was for me spell Country straight …

Not that I have anything agin folks who ain't straight …

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I'm sure we can all think of one or two contributors to WR who can tell stories about being stalked on Wikipedia. In some cases, their ethnicity might be relevant.
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Well...it makes sense to me. Not to be "pro-wikipedia" or anything, but, um, ah...(*trails off in silence and walks away*) unsure.gif
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I can't believe this person has benefited from a university education.

She is asking people to reveal highly personal information without any protections or controls. Remember, of course you do, this is a person acting pseudonymously and who refuses to refute serious allegations that she has, or is, acting behalf of an intelligence agency. She does not even directly solicit the "subjects." She states she wishes to focus on the intra-psychic aspects but presents no credentials to indicate competence in this area. She singles out woman and gays for response. She is attached or affiliated with no university of research institute. She intends to submit this to a peer reviewed publication? No, instead to a self interested private organization without any promise of normal research ethics or protocols.

In short this is everything that permits abuse and mistreatment on the internet. The moderators of wikien-l have acted irresponsibly to even let this through.
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post Wed 5th September 2007, 12:14am
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All replies will be received in strictest confidence. Your name would not have to be included in the final document, and if you're worried about being exposed in any way, I can change all identifying details. Nothing will be included about you without your express permission.

I assume it's all a trick. She plans to make it all up. No research required — just a rich role-playing fantasy world and a generous dash of righteous indignation.
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post Wed 5th September 2007, 1:16am
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Link:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000018.html

Its on meta, which nobody reads. I don't know why she bothered. Is it copied elsewhere?

I wrote an essay a short time ago recognising that Wikipedia has a major problem with their facilitation of cyber stalking. See that essay here:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=12049

In my opinion, there is no doubt or question that the structure of Wikipedia, both in terms of software and policies, strongly encourages and facilitates stalking, cyber stalking, harassment, libel and smear campaigns. That it is relatively infrequent is probably because of the subject matter rather than any deliberate act. Wikipedia is vulnerable to such things.

If SlimVirgin were to attack the root cause of the problem, and to petition for change in the software and the policy to properly deal with this issue, then that is fantastic. If, however, she wishes to merely get stories out there, then she isn't helping one little bit.

Personal stories are only relevant when they are completed stories, when they have resulted in a definite victory, in a conclusion. For anything else, it can put them in more danger simply by telling the story. Furthermore, note that in many cases a culprit can disguise themselves as a victim, henceforth they should act as examples not as definite proof. This is why focussing on the broad issue is important. Individual examples may in fact be misleading.

As for me, I wasn't really cyber stalked on Wikipedia. I had 2 jerks harass me, follow me all around Wikipedia, I wasn't allowed to edit out their comments on my user talk page, and they took control of my user page itself. They then went to write nasty things following anything that I had written in anyone else's user talk pages, edited articles after me with nasty edit summaries and NOTHING HAPPENED. One of these people, Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, was encouraged to do so by SlimVirgin, to try to get me to cease investigating the ban of Poetlister, to scare me off. The other one, Antaeus Feldspar, did it to try to stop anyone from investigating whether Daniel Brandt was mistreated. Both cases were more accurately cyber bullying. Both cases were facilitated by and encouraged by SlimVirgin.

Now, they don't compare with real cases of cyber stalking - they were never going to affect my job, and there was a simple solution that Wikipedia could have and should have done to deal with it - to ban both of them. However, SlimVirgin's power was such that she was able to prevent that from happening, and indeed those 2 continue to behave in this way today, towards individuals when required.

That again is a part of Wikipedia's problem, that the secret power leads to people like SlimVirgin having this extra power to be able to do such things as that, or to get others to do it who she then protects. Its not really cyber stalking, but it could have been quite easily.

Now if SlimVirgin is going to be taking this seriously, then she needs to start by no longer promoting such cyber bullying and harassment. She can go out there and ban those 2, and anyone else who has engaged in this kind of activity, and remove all of the bans against people who she bullied to this stage. Then she can write an apology explaining why she did it, and accepting that she is to blame to a much greater extent than the people who she got to do it.

Only then can she be taken seriously.
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Well the whole research paper looks like she wants to make an attack on anyone who criticizes her own cyberstalking on wikipedia.
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QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:23pm) *

Well the whole research paper looks like she wants to make an attack on anyone who criticizes her own cyberstalking on wikipedia.


In slimiotics, the termofart cyberstalk means to criticize SlimVirgin and her her butties on the internet.

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I just sent her an e-mail:

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Dear SlimVirgin,

I read your message on the Wikimedia mailing list here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000018.html

I thought that I would write a reply to you.

Firstly, I have written an essay which outlines the great problems that exist on Wikipedia, and may exist to some extent on other Wikimedia projects, in terms of both software and policies. You can read this essay here:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=12049

Secondly, I would like to describe to you my testimony of cyber stalking on Wikipedia, and how it affected me.

In December 2005, I came across an "Articles for Deletion" on Daniel Brandt, and commented what my opinion was to deal with this, and worked with Jokestress to deal with it. This then got the attention of someone called "Antaeus Feldspar". He then wrote to me many very nasty things about it. I asked him to please stop, and this only served to encourage him to do more. I began deleting his comments from my user talk page, and he restored them, then he tried to get me banned for controlling the article - the article being my user talk page. He then began changing my user page, writing to other users, and in articles, and so forth. His aim was to try to discourage anyone from helping out Daniel Brandt, because he wanted to really hurt Daniel Brandt. That can be more accurately described as "cyber bullying" rather than "cyber stalking", but nonetheless it was quite upsetting.

I found that Wikipedia was unwilling to do anything about it. I asked to be permitted to simply ignore him, and I received very little support. The only action that was suggested was for me to write a Request for Comment with a view to his being banned perhaps, but just as likely that I might get banned for daring to raise it. This was not a solution, and was certain to make things much worse.

Soon after that, a person called Poetlister sent me an e-mail asking for my help to mediate a dispute between one of her friends and Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters. Soon after I was asked to mediate it, she was banned. I refused to investigate it, but was eventually convinced to look in to it.

As soon as I began to look in to it, I was harassed by Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters, which ultimately was what convinced me to conduct a proper investigation in to the matter. It seemed that a person called "SlimVirgin" was encouraging and facilitating this harassment. Furthermore, Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters encouraged Antaeus Feldspar as well.

It became intolerable, so I was forced to quit Wikipedia over it. Antaeus Feldspar in particular continued to attack me all over Wikipedia even after I had left.

I was eventually banned by Kelly Martin long after I had quit. Then when my ban expired, a person called SlimVirgin deleted my page which had documented everything, and then banned Poetlister, along with a respected administrator called Runcorn. I did manage to keep a copy of the page, which is now hosted by Encyclopedia Dramatica at http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/User:Zordrac/Poetlister which you can look at if you like.

I didn't fall victim to any cyber stalking on Wikipedia. However, I have previously been the victim of cyber stalking, which you can see the evidence of at http://www.toxicpink.net/

I believe strongly that Wikipedia needs to change its software capabilities and its policies in order to properly deal with the serious issue of cyber stalking. They also need to get rid of the secret power structures that exist which serve to protect people who engage in these kinds of activities. I believe that one of the worst examples of cyber stalking is Amorrow, and perhaps the worst facilitators of it is SlimVirgin. I think that Wikipedia should do everything in their power to ban both of these dangerous individuals.

Thank you.

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QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 4th September 2007, 9:35pm) *

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th September 2007, 6:28pm) *

SlimVirgin and her her butties


You think she has butt buddies?


Dunno, but I reckon all her biddies and buddies are butts of one sort or another.

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