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the fieryangel
post Sun 16th September 2007, 9:02pm
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JzG is still upset about being called sexist (maybe you'll shut your mouth the next time, Guy?), but they also have quite a lot to about WR : Here's our entry!

So, whatcha think???
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post Mon 17th September 2007, 8:04am
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I find it odd that the ONLY TWO attack sites mentioned explicitly are ED and WR. What about Wikitruth? Is that not considered to be an attack site? I am sorry, but some of the most vicious attacks on ED are carbon copies of what was written on Wikitruth, and Wikitruth does out editors. They were the first ones to out the various transsexual administrators (Kelly Martin, Ambi, etc). I just find it hypocritical that they don't mention Wikitruth.

Furthermore, they pre-suppose what the purpose of the sites are.

ED - the purpose of ED is primarily to make fun of Live Journal, then later MySpace, Blogger, and other blogs. This has been extended to include Furry places, 4chan and Wikipedia. Wikipedia represents a tiny portion of what they do. Furthermore, ED has a policy not to use people's real names unless they are common knowledge or they gave their real names themselves. Whilst I do agree that ED is an attack site, by any sensible definition, it is not an outing site, and if any outing happens there, that is not the primary purpose of the site.

WR - the purpose of WR is to criticise aspects of Wikipedia, both macro and micro. WR criticises the major problems with Wikipedia's structure as well as individual examples of this. In analysing the individual examples, on occasion real world information must be given in order to properly prove it. Whilst WR does tolerate individuals moaning about their bans, that is far from the point of it, and it is far from a requirement of WR that someone must first be banned from Wikipedia (nor even that they must have ever used Wikipedia as an editor).

Wikitruth - the purpose of Wikitruth is primarily to uncensor deleted articles, and secondly to analyse controversial administrators and policies. Wikitruth IS an outing site (the two above are not). I just find it amazing that Wikitruth is not mentioned in this lot.

Wikipedia Watch - this is fundamentally an outing site, designed to out the real life identities of Wikipedia administrators and abusive users, and secondly to state individual criticisms.

Antisocialmedia - whilst it does include Wikipedia, it is not limited to it. I don't know a lot about it so can't comment too much more on it.

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Now, as far as I know, the top 4 listed there are the 4 main sites with regards to discussion of Wikipedia. Now, I think that it is quite accurate to label Wikitruth and Wikipedia Watch as outing sites. It is not accurate to label WR or ED as outing sites. It is accurate to describe ED as an attack site. However, it is not accurate to describe the others as attack sites, at least not in the context of trying to do real world harm.

I find it a little odd that firstly they attribute the wrong definitions, and secondly that they fail to mention the only site that they consider to be prominent enough to be worth its own article - Wikitruth.
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the fieryangel   ARBCOM Badsites   Sun 16th September 2007, 9:02pm
Viridae   I'm not seeing the point. I also disagree wit...   Sun 16th September 2007, 10:35pm
LamontStormstar   These days, JzG seems motivated mainly by his hatr...   Sun 16th September 2007, 10:37pm
Kato   The proposal is this: I thought this forum had a ...   Sun 16th September 2007, 10:44pm
SqueakBox   The proposal is this: I thought this forum had a...   Sun 16th September 2007, 11:31pm
The Joy   I added that "There are lots of not banned r...   Sun 16th September 2007, 11:36pm
Kato   I added that "There are lots of not banned r...   Sun 16th September 2007, 11:49pm
Nathan   I think the phrase "properly/justly banned...   Sun 16th September 2007, 10:58pm
tarantino   Here Moreschi critiques the critics and equates ED...   Mon 17th September 2007, 5:13am
Jonny Cache   We read all these books in high school. The logic...   Mon 17th September 2007, 5:42am
dtobias   I find it a little odd that firstly they attribut...   Mon 17th September 2007, 12:22pm
the fieryangel   I find it a little odd that firstly they attribu...   Mon 17th September 2007, 12:33pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Well, Dan, your "rutabaga" post was pur...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:08pm
Derktar   Although Mr. Tobias and Cla68 are doing their best...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:16pm
dtobias   Although Mr. Tobias and Cla68 are doing their bes...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:30pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Derktar' post='50411' date='Mon 17th...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:35pm
blissyu2   [quote name='Derktar' post='50411' date='Mon 17th...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:36pm
everyking   [quote name='Derktar' post='50411' date='Mon 17th...   Mon 17th September 2007, 5:49pm
dtobias   Dan, it says you do "not appear to recognise...   Mon 17th September 2007, 6:04pm
GlassBeadGame   Dan, it says you do "not appear to recognis...   Mon 17th September 2007, 6:23pm
Jonny Cache   Dan, it says you do "not appear to recognise...   Mon 17th September 2007, 6:08pm
SqueakBox   Dan, it says you do "not appear to recognis...   Mon 17th September 2007, 6:25pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='50455' date='Mon ...   Mon 17th September 2007, 6:32pm
the fieryangel   Can we spend the next 10 pages arguing the differ...   Mon 17th September 2007, 9:02pm
the fieryangel   Although Mr. Tobias and Cla68 are doing their bes...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:34pm
guy   Edit: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia...   Mon 17th September 2007, 8:12pm
GlassBeadGame   Edit: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi...   Mon 17th September 2007, 8:44pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='guy' post='50477' date='Mon 17th Sep...   Mon 17th September 2007, 8:56pm
GlassBeadGame   Actually, yer rite, but's not gravitation —...   Mon 17th September 2007, 9:07pm
Jonny Cache   Actually, yer rite, but's not gravitation â€...   Mon 17th September 2007, 9:42pm
Piperdown   Actually, yer rite, but's not gravitation â€...   Mon 17th September 2007, 11:47pm
Somey   Attack sites is all about the Gary. If only more p...   Tue 18th September 2007, 4:57am
SqueakBox   Attack sites is all about the Gary. If only more ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 6:59pm
Derktar   Ya gotta love Fred 4 minutes later his response ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 9:09pm
Jonny Cache   There used to be things like DocDemons or RSS F...   Tue 18th September 2007, 9:18pm
Derktar   There used to be things like DocDemons or RSS ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 9:20pm
guy   If that principle were accepted, then the truth (...   Tue 18th September 2007, 10:34pm
Unrepentant Vandal   If that principle were accepted, then the truth ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:07pm
SqueakBox   If that principle were accepted, then the truth...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:11pm
Derktar   I dont believe we need to inform Jimbo of rubbish...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:17pm
Unrepentant Vandal   There is no project apart from its members You d...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:18pm
SqueakBox   There is no project apart from its members You ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:31pm
Unrepentant Vandal   I think do no harm is far more important than wrii...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:39pm
the fieryangel   The very best "proposed remedy" in an Ar...   Mon 17th September 2007, 9:11am
guy   Indeed.   Mon 17th September 2007, 11:47am
Derktar   Indeed. The more I look at that the more I thin...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:38pm
dtobias   The more I look at that the more I think it's...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:46pm
Derktar   The more I look at that the more I think it...   Tue 18th September 2007, 12:10am
blissyu2   So Wikipedia Watch, whose entire point of existing...   Mon 17th September 2007, 1:05pm
D.A.F.   You know what is the most disgusting thing in all ...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:01pm
GlassBeadGame   I hope Dan doesn't suffer too badly from this ...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:48pm
the fieryangel   ...or maybe it by design. Perhaps WP has figured...   Mon 17th September 2007, 3:58pm
blissyu2   There are a number of issues that I have with this...   Mon 17th September 2007, 5:01pm
blissyu2   The evidence page seems to be quite good so far (w...   Mon 17th September 2007, 7:16pm
blissyu2   Wow. Note this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wik...   Tue 18th September 2007, 2:32am
Jonny Cache   Wow. Note this: WP:R4Arbitrariness/Attack Sites...   Tue 18th September 2007, 2:39am
LamontStormstar   I can't post all the quote for some reason as ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 2:38am
Robster   They've tossed DennyColt under the bus, offici...   Tue 18th September 2007, 3:56am
dtobias   The proposal to sanction me was posted by a now-bl...   Tue 18th September 2007, 4:41am
GlassBeadGame   The proposal to sanction me was posted by a now-b...   Tue 18th September 2007, 6:07am
BobbyBombastic   For anyone who may have missed it, El C seems to ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 5:50am
Somey   [size=1]On an unrelated note, while searching what...   Tue 18th September 2007, 6:17am
Jonny Cache   I think we have to give Durova some kinda prize â€...   Tue 18th September 2007, 10:34am
KamrynMatika   A few more abitrators besides the ever-transparent...   Tue 18th September 2007, 2:34pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Kirill Lokshin (one of my favourite arbs, come to...   Tue 18th September 2007, 3:04pm
BobbyBombastic   Particularly interesting: I suppose the 'ri...   Tue 18th September 2007, 4:18pm
Piperdown   [quote name='KamrynMatika' post='50587' date='Tue...   Tue 18th September 2007, 4:32pm
Yehudi   But even the "good editors" who realize...   Tue 18th September 2007, 6:07pm
BobbyBombastic   But even the "good editors" who realiz...   Wed 19th September 2007, 5:40am
badlydrawnjeff   lol at solidarity.   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:07pm
Derktar   lol at solidarity. Well, he has to say somethin...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:08pm
dtobias   How about this one: Funny... NPA wasn't in ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:26pm
Derktar   How about this one: Funny... NPA wasn't in...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:30pm
Castle Rock   JzG argues that there is no encyclopedic purpose t...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:45pm
Unrepentant Vandal   Don't worry about Mr. Chapman, he's nuts. ...   Tue 18th September 2007, 11:53pm
Castle Rock   I strongly urge everyone here to read SchmuckyTheC...   Wed 19th September 2007, 5:08am
Kato   You've got to hand it to Charles Matthews. A...   Wed 19th September 2007, 9:05pm
Jonny Cache   You've got to hand it to Charles Matthews. ...   Wed 19th September 2007, 9:19pm
Kato   [b]The squelxifiction of Saint Tobias [center]A...   Thu 20th September 2007, 2:35am
Jonny Cache   [size=3][u][b]The squelxifiction of Saint Tobias ...   Thu 20th September 2007, 3:00am
Kato   Damn! Ya scooped me! Scooped me good...   Thu 20th September 2007, 3:16am
Jonny Cache   Saint Tobias lays out his argument [url=http://en...   Thu 20th September 2007, 5:42am
Somey   Martyrdom is not absolutely necessary but it would...   Thu 20th September 2007, 6:40am
the fieryangel   Martyrdom is not absolutely necessary but it woul...   Thu 20th September 2007, 8:26am
BobbyBombastic   Excuse me, but what the hell is Fred doing on the ...   Thu 20th September 2007, 5:17am
The Joy   Wait a minute... didn't FloNight and SlimVirgi...   Thu 20th September 2007, 6:27am
the fieryangel   What I'm getting at is: Does FloNight have a...   Thu 20th September 2007, 8:40am
Daniel Brandt   Wait a minute... didn't FloNight and SlimVirg...   Thu 20th September 2007, 1:02pm
Jonny Cache   "Self Assessment Of Conflicts Of Interest...   Thu 20th September 2007, 2:04pm
blissyu2   They have added proposed decisions now: http://en...   Thu 20th September 2007, 2:43pm
Jonny Cache   They have added proposed decisions now: [url=htt...   Thu 20th September 2007, 2:48pm
Daniel Brandt   I hope FloNight is prepared to defend her failure ...   Thu 20th September 2007, 9:10pm
Jonny Cache   I hope FloNight is prepared to defend her failure...   Thu 20th September 2007, 9:26pm
Derktar   I hope FloNight is prepared to defend her failure...   Thu 20th September 2007, 10:40pm
Kato   Funnier are Fred Bauder's fire and brimstone p...   Thu 20th September 2007, 11:27pm
Piperdown   Funnier are Fred Bauder's fire and brimstone ...   Thu 20th September 2007, 11:33pm
SqueakBox   Funnier are Fred Bauder's fire and brimstone ...   Fri 21st September 2007, 1:26am
Kato   That's Fred for you. He called the pedophile ...   Fri 21st September 2007, 7:09pm
The Joy   And on St. Tobias' Feast Day, we shall feast u...   Thu 20th September 2007, 11:32pm
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