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[the fieryangel]

JzG is still upset about being called sexist (maybe you'll shut your mouth the next time, Guy?), but they also have quite a lot to about WR : Here's our entry!

So, whatcha think???

[blissyu2]

I find it odd that the ONLY TWO attack sites mentioned explicitly are ED and WR. What about Wikitruth? Is that not considered to be an attack site? I am sorry, but some of the most vicious attacks on ED are carbon copies of what was written on Wikitruth, and Wikitruth does out editors. They were the first ones to out the various transsexual administrators (Kelly Martin, Ambi, etc). I just find it hypocritical that they don't mention Wikitruth.

Furthermore, they pre-suppose what the purpose of the sites are.

ED - the purpose of ED is primarily to make fun of Live Journal, then later MySpace, Blogger, and other blogs. This has been extended to include Furry places, 4chan and Wikipedia. Wikipedia represents a tiny portion of what they do. Furthermore, ED has a policy not to use people's real names unless they are common knowledge or they gave their real names themselves. Whilst I do agree that ED is an attack site, by any sensible definition, it is not an outing site, and if any outing happens there, that is not the primary purpose of the site.

WR - the purpose of WR is to criticise aspects of Wikipedia, both macro and micro. WR criticises the major problems with Wikipedia's structure as well as individual examples of this. In analysing the individual examples, on occasion real world information must be given in order to properly prove it. Whilst WR does tolerate individuals moaning about their bans, that is far from the point of it, and it is far from a requirement of WR that someone must first be banned from Wikipedia (nor even that they must have ever used Wikipedia as an editor).

Wikitruth - the purpose of Wikitruth is primarily to uncensor deleted articles, and secondly to analyse controversial administrators and policies. Wikitruth IS an outing site (the two above are not). I just find it amazing that Wikitruth is not mentioned in this lot.

Wikipedia Watch - this is fundamentally an outing site, designed to out the real life identities of Wikipedia administrators and abusive users, and secondly to state individual criticisms.

Antisocialmedia - whilst it does include Wikipedia, it is not limited to it. I don't know a lot about it so can't comment too much more on it.

etc.

Now, as far as I know, the top 4 listed there are the 4 main sites with regards to discussion of Wikipedia. Now, I think that it is quite accurate to label Wikitruth and Wikipedia Watch as outing sites. It is not accurate to label WR or ED as outing sites. It is accurate to describe ED as an attack site. However, it is not accurate to describe the others as attack sites, at least not in the context of trying to do real world harm.

I find it a little odd that firstly they attribute the wrong definitions, and secondly that they fail to mention the only site that they consider to be prominent enough to be worth its own article - Wikitruth.

[dtobias]

I find it a little odd that firstly they attribute the wrong definitions, and secondly that they fail to mention the only site that they consider to be prominent enough to be worth its own article - Wikitruth.

MONGO did go on a tear at one point deleting links to Wikitruth, after he apparently felt goaded into it by people (including me) pointing out this very same inconsistency a few months ago. However, at the moment, there's an article on Wikitruth complete with a link, and the same for Brandt's Wikipedia Watch. But for some reason ED and WR are a higher class of evil for those people, and these days Antisocialmedia is the absolute arch-enemy.

[the fieryangel]

I find it a little odd that firstly they attribute the wrong definitions, and secondly that they fail to mention the only site that they consider to be prominent enough to be worth its own article - Wikitruth.

MONGO did go on a tear at one point deleting links to Wikitruth, after he apparently felt goaded into it by people (including me) pointing out this very same inconsistency a few months ago. However, at the moment, there's an article on Wikitruth complete with a link, and the same for Brandt's Wikipedia Watch. But for some reason ED and WR are a higher class of evil for those people, and these days Antisocialmedia is the absolute arch-enemy.

Well, Dan, your "rutabaga" post was pure genius....but I'm afraid you might end up getting banned for that, since it was an affront to the "Holy of Holies" which is Arb-com. Nobody can take a joke over there, can they?....Maybe Fred Bauder might laugh, but I'm afraid that he's going to have to ban you anyway....

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Well, Dan, your "rutabaga" post was pure genius....but I'm afraid you might end up getting banned for that, since it was an affront to the "Holy of Holies" which is Arb-com. Nobody can take a joke over there, can they?....

There is some question as to whether they can even get a joke, but fortunately we have Cla68 to provide a heavy-handed explanation.

[Derktar]

Although Mr. Tobias and Cla68 are doing their best, I sense some retribution coming after this is over.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...resented_by_Guy

Well, Guy now is presenting evidence against Mr. Tobias! Truly this will be the Scopes trial of our wikiday.

This post has been edited by Derktar: Mon 17th September 2007, 3:22pm

[guy]

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...resented_by_Guy

resented_by_Guy? Fair enough.

Given the nature of gravity, getting some distance away from that kind of reasoning exponentially lessens it's pull.

Isn't it an inverse square law?

[GlassBeadGame]

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...resented_by_Guy

resented_by_Guy? Fair enough.

Given the nature of gravity, getting some distance away from that kind of reasoning exponentially lessens it's pull.

Isn't it an inverse square law?

I thinks so. Did I describe it badly with "exponentially lessen?" I meant to describe a situation where say doubling the distance would more than reduce the force by half.

[Jonny Cache]

Given the nature of gravity, getting some distance away from that kind of reasoning exponentially lessens it's pull.

Isn't it an inverse square law?

I thinks so. Did I describe it badly with "exponentially lessen"? I meant to describe a situation where say doubling the distance would more than reduce the force by half.

Actually, yer rite, but's not gravitation — it's definitely a WIK Force.

Jonny

[GlassBeadGame]

Actually, yer rite, but's not gravitation — it's definitely a WIK Force.

Jonny

Help, Mr. Wizard.

[Piperdown]

Actually, yer rite, but's not gravitation — it's definitely a WIK Force.

Jonny

Help, Mr. Wizard.

Summary of the Attack Sites Issue, as it stands today.

Gary Weiss will do anything to flail around on wikipedia to try and prevent more than the 1,000 people who already know from seeing antisocialmedia.net

He's SPA'ing on WP in a blaze of bullets, going down shootin', and trying get everyone, more than just Guy and "Ballroom Blitz" Gerard to sing the odious song.

He's even been wooing Mongo on Mongo's intimate subpages. Whatever it takes. Sockpuppets. Delusions of ethical grandeur. Lying about your age and religion on your userpage to make your Martin Luthering seem objective.

Attack sites is all about the Gary.

And Jimbo, cuz Jimbo already did an Essjayish "I have no problem with that!" on Weiss before Essjay denials were cool.

[Somey]

Attack sites is all about the Gary.

If only more people realized just how true that is. I might go so far as to say that NONE of this would be happening at all, were it not for Gary Weiss. (And Chip Berlet too, of course.)

Think of all the time wasted!

[SqueakBox]

Attack sites is all about the Gary.

If only more people realized just how true that is. I might go so far as to say that NONE of this would be happening at all, were it not for Gary Weiss. (And Chip Berlet too, of course.)

Think of all the time wasted!

Perhaps Gary (my fellow surname person) was Denny?