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[The Joy]

I thought every nine year old boy on the planet was an amateur paleontologist.

Yer really auto-carbon-dating yerself now. That was before Wikipedia.

Jonny

WP has its own dinosaur!

As for Radiant!, it's good to see someone taking on the Featured Articles Cabal (FAC). Too bad its in a quixotic fashion. No one's happy with the FAC process except SandyGeorgia, Tony1, and Marskell (not so much as the other two, I think). WP articles belong to the Community in principle but it deeply hurts to see something you and other worked on being savaged by the FA reviewers.

[GlassBeadGame]

It is not pretentious to state that Wikipedia has a number of paleontologists working on dinosaur articles to improve the content.

Name 'em.

...And indicated their peer reviewed publications.

Well, the ones who have public profiles include:

Vertebrate paleontologist Caitlin Kiernan /Nar'eth ([[user:Greygirlbeast]]), who, according to her WP userpage, wrote or updated Wikipedia's articles on Allosauroidea, Amtosaurus, Animantarx, Antarctopelta, Bissektipelta, Brachytrachelopan‎, Cedarpelta, Chassternbergia, Dallasaurus, Denversaurus, Dracopelta, Enchodus, Eonatator, Erectopus, Europasaurus, Gargoyleosaurus, Genyodectes, Gobisaurus, gular pouch, Hagryphus, Halisaurinae, Harpymimus, heterodont, Hexinlusaurus, Huaxiagnathus, Hungarosaurus, Judeasaurus, Incisivosaurus, Liaoningosaurus, Lophorhothon, Limaysaurus, Mandschurosaurus, Mapusaurus, Megalopseudosuchus, Mosasaurinae, Mymoorapelta, Nipponosaurus, Nodocephalosaurus, Nodosauridae, osteoderms, Paleozoic Museum, Patagonykus, Pawpawsaurus, Pelecanimimus, Plioplatecarpinae, postorbital, Protosphyraena, Pythonomorpha, Quilmesaurus, Russellosaurus, Sauropelta, Selmasaurus, Shenzhousaurus, Silvisaurus, Sphaerotholus, squamosal, Struthiosaurus, Talarurus, Tanycolagreus, Tarchia, Texasetes, Tianzhenosaurus, Tsagantegia, Turiasauria, Tylosaurinae, Tylosaurus, and Varanoidea.

Her professional papers include: Kiernan, C. (2001) "Stratigraphic distribution and habitat segregation of Mosasaurs in the Upper Cretaceous of western and Central Alabama, with an historical review of Alabama Mosasaur discoveries" Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology pp. 91–103, http://www.bioone.org/perlserv/?request=ge...SO%5D2.0.CO%3B2 among others. She's open about who she is, and has done radio appearances. You could e-mail her for confirmation. http://www.caitlinrkiernan.com/

There's [[user:J. Spencer]] / Justin Tweet, who has written or revised nearly a thousand dinosaur articles on Wikipedia, including the Featured Articles Thescelosaurus, Iguanodon, and Parasaurolophus, among others. Justin is open about his identity on Wikipedia (links to his site and schooling), and has written Tweet, Justin; Chin, K and Murphy, Nate (2006) "Paleobiological implications of diminutive invertebrate burrows within probable gut contents of a hadrosaurid dinosaur from the Upper Cretaceous (Middle Campanian) Judith River Formation of Montana" ''Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs'', Vol. 38, No. 7, p. 476. http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2006AM/finalprog...ract_112739.htm

There's Darren Tanke, http://www.ssmounttemple.com/ssmth3.htm "technician in the Dinosaur Research Program at the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology in Drumheller, Alberta, Canada with over 24 years professional field and laboratory fossil preparation experience". Mr Tanke edits from an IP. He's written many papers and other works, including Tanke, D. & K. Carpenter (eds.) Mesozoic Vertebrate Life. Indiana University Press, Bloomington.

There's PhD student [[User:Mark t young]] at the Natural History Museum in London and the University of Bristol. You can e-mail the university and the museum for confirmation.

Two other major contributors to Wikipedia's dinosaur articles are [[user:Sheep81]], who has published, and [[user:Dinoguy2]], a PhD student, but they have not released information on themselves publically, so I won't either. There are also two other paleontologists who contribute irregularly, one a pretty big name.

Most of these folks can be e-mailed from some of the links I've provided above. If you do decide to e-mail, you could be nice and refrain from the "you're full of yourself"/"You are being pretentious" stuff when e-mailing them. There's "skeptical", and there's "just plain rude for no reason".

Stripped of all your pretense and meaningless verbiage that amounts to only three published contributors with only one published work each. That is taking you at face value, which if this was anything important I would not. Clearly if you had more you would list them. I would say that is a mighty thin sprinkling of peer published work.

By the way, your not the boss of me. So don't think you can tell me what to do or say. Again your presentation of this material is overstated to the extreme.

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Stripped of all your pretense and meaningless verbiage that amounts to only three published contributors with only one published work each. That is taking you at face value, which if this was anything important I would not. Clearly if you had more you would list them. I would say that is a mighty thin sprinkling of peer published work.

Actually, I provided one reference each, but there are plenty of others. I thought one sample each would be enough, but obviously I misjudged.

By the way, your not the boss of me. So don't think you can tell me what to do or say. Again your presentation of this material is overstated to the extreme.

The word is "you're". God, you're a moron, GBG.

[GlassBeadGame]

Stripped of all your pretense and meaningless verbiage that amounts to only three published contributors with only one published work each. That is taking you at face value, which if this was anything important I would not. Clearly if you had more you would list them. I would say that is a mighty thin sprinkling of peer published work.

Actually, I provided one reference each, but there are plenty of others. I thought one sample each would be enough, but obviously I misjudged.

By the way, your not the boss of me. So don't think you can tell me what to do or say. Again your presentation of this material is overstated to the extreme.

The word is "you're". God, you're a moron, GBG.

Look, son, you had your chance to demonstrate the academic bona fides of your little wiki project. You failed. Go play with your dinosaurs.

[Kato]

The word is "you're". God, you're a moron, GBG.

Ouch, steady on. Bead likes to write from the hip and the heart, and hence innocent typos have been known to surface. The happiest of these remains "MONGO and his [e]lk".

Having requested citations, I shall don my bi-focals and examine your findings in due course. I'm not one to tell the difference between an ERECTOPUS and a LAPUTAVIS, but I should be able to decipher whether there are enough experts involved to make the articles any use.

[GlassBeadGame]

The word is "you're". God, you're a moron, GBG.

Ouch, steady on. Bead likes to write from the hip and the heart, and hence innocent typos have been known to surface. The happiest of these remains "MONGO and his [e]lk".

Having requested citations, I shall don my bi-focals and examine your findings in due course. I'm not one to tell the difference between an ERECTOPUS and a LAPUTAVIS, but I should be able to decipher whether there are enough experts involved to make the articles any use.

Mongo does in fact possess and control an entire herd of elk. I have seen them.

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

The word is "you're". God, you're a moron, GBG.

Ouch, steady on. Bead likes to write from the hip and the heart, and hence innocent typos have been known to surface. The happiest of these remains "MONGO and his [e]lk".

If it was just a matter of a typo, then I'm sorry. We all make spelling/typographical errors: it's only understandable. It's when it happens so frequently that it's clear that it's not just a typo but actual poor grammar... GBG frequently doesn't seem to be able to tell "it's" from "its", "you're" from "your" etc. I could compile a list, but one instance each just wouldn't be enough. I just can't take someone seriously when s/he seems unable to spell basic words. Maybe GBG isn't a native English speaker, though, in which case I really should say I'm sorry. I sometimes forget that not everyone speaks English natively.

Having requested citations, I shall don my bi-focals and examine your findings in due course. I'm not one to tell the difference between an ERECTOPUS and a LAPUTAVIS, but I should be able to decipher whether there are enough experts involved to make the articles any use.

Thanks for at least looking, Kato. You may not even agree with me, but I love that you're at least looking, instead of instantly dismissing.I should add that WP:DINO has never exceeded 6-8 active users.

This post has been edited by Firsfron of Ronchester: Fri 21st September 2007, 12:25am

[GlassBeadGame]

The word is "you're". God, you're a moron, GBG.

Ouch, steady on. Bead likes to write from the hip and the heart, and hence innocent typos have been known to surface. The happiest of these remains "MONGO and his [e]lk".

If it was just a matter of a typo, then I'm sorry. We all make spelling/typographical errors: it's only understandable. It's when it happens so frequently that it's clear that it's not just a typo but actual poor grammar... GBG frequently doesn't seem to be able to tell "it's" from "its", "you're" from "your" etc. I could compile a list, but one instance each just wouldn't be enough. I just can't take someone seriously when s/he seems unable to spell basic words.

Having requested citations, I shall don my bi-focals and examine your findings in due course. I'm not one to tell the difference between an ERECTOPUS and a LAPUTAVIS, but I should be able to decipher whether there are enough experts involved to make the articles any use.

Thanks for at least looking, Kato. You may not even agree with me, but I love that you're at least looking, instead of instantly dismissing.I should add that WP:DINO has never exceeded 6-8 active users.

It wasn't a typo. Those errors are of course the result of low stakes writing. It is not suppose to be copy-edited or much troubled over. The point is I have something to say of substance and you do not. Your only use to this forum is as a negative example. You're just wasting your own and other's time here. I suppose a few weak members will now give you support and attention. Enjoy it I suppose.

[thekohser]

It is not suppose to be copy-edited ...

That would be "supposed", correct?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Look, if there are scholars writing the dinosaur articles, that's wonderful. Where I cringe is when bona fide experts in various commercial topics are told to leave because they can't possibly write with a "neutral point of view" on a subject that relates to their livelihood. I guess paleontologists don't depend on dinosaurs for their livelihood? I just don't get the distinction.

Greg

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

Look, if there are scholars writing the dinosaur articles, that's wonderful. Where I cringe is when bona fide experts in various commercial topics are told to leave because they can't possibly write with a "neutral point of view" on a subject that relates to their livelihood. I guess paleontologists don't depend on dinosaurs for their livelihood? I just don't get the distinction.

Greg

If there is a distinction, it's probably pretty minimal, Greg. You know from my earlier discussion that, like you, I believe it's certainly possible to have a NPOV article written about a commercial entity by that entity's owners. I think WP was trying to avoid potential conflict of interest in articles... Clearly, that failed, as indicated by WikiScanner. However, getting a policy on WP overturned seems really difficult. People get so entrenched in policies that just don't make sense.

I don't think anyone has written a WP article on a dinosaur s/he has formally described in a peer-reviewed paper, but it's possible it has happened. I know we had some potential problems on [[Protoavis]] for a while.