Oh my god! Ryulong is Danny's son or maybe even Danny! Options

[Jonny Cache]

Isn't there a kids programme in Australia that is really famous? I can't remember what it is though.

The thing that's really at issue here is not one person's peculiar hobby — who really gives a flying filly? — and we wouldn't care a whit if they didn't ride their hobby horse all over everyone else's farms and gardens.

Jonny

The question is, has Ryulong committed the ultrimate wiki crime — being in possession of two administrator accounts simultaneously?

1. You must be thinking of the Poo Bum Dicky Wee Wee Show.

2. It would only be the ultimate crime if they couldn't excuse it the second it's discovered.

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Mon 1st October 2007, 3:08pm

[yow]

Ryulong is fascinated by dragons ("Ryu" + "Long" = terms for "dragon" in Japanese and Chinese respectively) , and there is direct linkage from his former Geocities pages through his Deviant Art pages (note ref to "Danny in the tube") and his current Wikipedia stuff.

Picture of Ryulong


profile
http://forums.henshinjustice.com/member.php?u=1749

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Ryulong

Please note that his e-mail address in the Geocities page contains "Ryulong6787", a formulation someone here has noted before (he was born June 7, 1987). By the way, his name is Michael.

Before we do a poll on something like this, we need to discuss it and try to sort through the evidence, I think.

For what its worth, I like lots of quality "kids" shows. Of course, I don't consider them to be kids. Cartoons for example. I watch The Simpsons, South Park, sometimes Kim Possible, Naruto, and a bunch of other stuff. Well, not so much now that I don't have the Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon anymore, but yeah. Of course I don't watch Sesame Street anymore (at least not unless I'm babysitting — I still consider that to be quality) and I would never ever watch fucking lambchops playalong or Barney the crap dinosaur or any of those really mind numbingly awful ones.

Yes, as usual, a poll is a pretty lame way to incite a discussion, but now that we're all incited …

The thing that's really at issue here is not one person's peculiar hobby — who really gives a flying filly? — and we wouldn't care a whit if they didn't ride their hobby horse all over everyone else's farms and gardens.

But that's just what they do, and they do it with the kind of FlyLord RoninBot SakéCrazed Samurai Knight Fever Mindlessness that might be the Tao Of Online Gamers, but that is wholly toxic to the project of writing an encyclopedia for the knowledge-seeking, not coup-counting public.

The supreme irony is that we can literally extract a general principle from Hao Rong Ryu's own dicta that would solve the problem of keeping these Terrible Tots from constantly tearing everyone else's hair out, as discussed here.

Jonny

This post has been edited by yow: Mon 1st October 2007, 3:12pm

[Jaranda]

They aren't the same person.

[dtobias]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

[JohnA]

I'd have to agree with Dan Tobias.

Lamont is guessing a relationship based on really circumstantial evidence. I think it's a conspiracy theory where after a while people believe the theory and ignore all countervailing evidence as a "smokescreen".

I don't think there's anything to see here, and I doubt this makes WR a better place than WP by proposing such bizarre theories without substantial evidence.

[Jonny Cache]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I think some people have difficulty understanding satire.

Jonny

[Firsfron of Ronchester]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I can only agree, Dan. I'm not sure what caused this round of speculation, but the "links" between these editors are not at all convincing. WR is better than this sort of commentary. Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

[Jonny Cache]

Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

People have given you abundant good reason to care about the fact that someone with the mentality of an 8 year old on crack is taking major editorial control over the state of articles and the retention of editors in areas that he or she does not know squat about.

People have given you ample evidence to make it clear that there is an Inherent Conflict Of Interest between the Interest of people who are pathological liars — who lie about their names, their education, their personal data, their qualifications, and everything else they find it convenient to lie about — and the Interest of building an educational resource founded on reality and truth.

But you find it convenient to ignore all that, and you continue to disgust us with your moronic excuses for crimes against knowledge.

Go back where you can still win arguments by pretending to be ignorant, even moreso by actually being an ediot.

Jon Awbrey

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Mon 1st October 2007, 7:30pm

[Kato]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I think some people have difficulty understanding satire.

Jonny

For once, I agree with St. Tobias, and disagree with JC. What is this thread a satire of? Wikipedia Review?

[Jonny Cache]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

I think some people have difficulty understanding satire.

Jonny

For once, I agree with Saint Tobias, and disagree with JC. What is this thread a satire of? Wikipedia Review?

When you're not feeling holy, your loneliness says that you've sinned.

Jonny

[michael]

Ryulong is fascinated by dragons ("Ryu" + "Long" = terms for "dragon" in Japanese and Chinese respectively) , and there is direct linkage from his former Geocities pages through his Deviant Art pages (note ref to "Danny in the tube") and his current Wikipedia stuff.

So Ryulong was born on June 7, 1987 eh? I have to love the Geocities site though, it looks like the thing I did back when I was 12 years old.

[SqueakBox]

In one thread a ways back I speculated on Ryulong being the son of Jayjg and SlimVirgin.

In yet another thread somwhere someone else said that Ryulong obviously is a sock puppet of another administrator. I asked some questions and yada yada, nothing came of it.

I'll get right down to it.

Danny and Ryulong both moved from Brooklyn, New York to Florida.

See their IPs
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/cgi-bin/girc.cgi?Na=Ryulong
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/cgi-bin/girc.cgi?Na=Danny

Also old versions of Ryulong's userpage said he was from Brooklyn. It may still say it somewhere. Even if he deletes it, there are lots of mirrors. Danny's userpage says he moved from somewhere to Florida.


Wikipedia watch has:

Danny
administrator
Jimbo's executive assistant
(resigned 2007-03-20)
Danny Wool
St.Petersburg, Florida, USA
born:1963-09-07
formerly lived in Brooklyn, where he worked
for the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York

Another similarity.

Ryulong's last adminship had too low a percentage for him to be nominated, but Raul made him admin despite this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...nship/Ryulong_3


Danny, despite resigning, ran for adminship again and then despite losing, Raul made him admin anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...ly_unacceptable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...Dan.27s_conduct



Here's the kicker.....

August 2, Ryulong deleted my userpage purely because he saw me posting on Wikipedia Review. Majorly then restored it August 24th. September 14th, Ryulong came and deleted it. A MERE FOUR MINUTES LATER, Danny came and deleted my talk page. I thought at the time someone emailed a bunch of admins, but it turns out that's not the case.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...LamontStormstar
01:57, 14 September 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:LamontStormstar" ? (User's only edit to this page was to add {{wikibreak}} and the user has made absolutely no contributions elsewhere. Wikipedia is not a free webhost.)
18:20, 24 August 2007 Majorly (Talk | contribs) restored "User:LamontStormstar" ? (3 revision(s) restored: must have been a mistaken delete on Ryulong's part. Restoring.)
08:02, 2 August 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:LamontStormstar" ? (User has not edited Wikipedia in a year; WP:NOT#WEBSPACE)



http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...LamontStormstar
02:01, 14 September 2007 Danny (Talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:LamontStormstar" ? (content was: ''''Welcome!'''Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like ...')


The evidence here points to Ryulong being the same person as Danny, however Danny is 44 years old right now. And yet, Ryulong has a huge fascination with Japanese children's TV shows--not stuff when Danny was a kid that he may be nostalogic about but children's shows for a person born in 1990 and later. So unless Ryulong is his son, then Danny at age 44 has a huge obsession with lots of children's TV shows and that is TRULY DISTURBING.

You have made a pretty good case but it doesnt really mean much as if they are related, well just cos your dad or your kid edits wikipedia doesn't mean that you can't. In spite of various sock allegations 2 people editing from one household is not prohibited and nor should it be, Squeak Box

[guy]

This is the sort of thread that gives WR a bad name as an "attack site", when you go into flights of bizarre speculation about what the real-life relationship might be between various editors and admins, with digressions where you sneer at their apparent interests, hobbies, and so on. Can't you stick to actual proven facts that are relevant to conflicts of interest you're exposing, instead of random smears that you hope will stick?

Yes, it makes us no better than Wikipedia.

In spite of various sock allegations 2 people editing from one household is not prohibited and nor should it be

So how do we get people blocked on precisely those grounds unblocked?

[KamrynMatika]

Lol, when I read this thread I thought he was taking the piss out of the SevenofDiamonds case. Guess it went over my head, eh?

[Castle Rock]

Who cares if someone edits kiddie shows? Someone has to (besides the kiddies). If there was a conflict of interest , I think it should be exposed, but I don't see anything like that here.

People have given you abundant good reason to care about the fact that someone with the mentality of an 8 year old on crack is taking major editorial control over the state of articles and the retention of editors in areas that he or she does not know squat about.

People have given you ample evidence to make it clear that there is an Inherent Conflict Of Interest between the Interest of people who are pathological liars — who lie about their names, their education, their personal data, their qualifications, and everything else they find it convenient to lie about — and the Interest of building an educational resource founded on reality and truth.

But you find it convenient to ignore all that, and you continue to disgust us with your moronic excuses for crimes against knowledge.

Go back where you can still win arguments by pretending to be ignorant, even moreso by actually being an ediot.

Jon Awbrey

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

[Somey]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely? I mean, Lamont started it, and it's not like he isn't used to it...

I voted that they were the same person anyway, just so Lamont wouldn't feel like nobody loves him.

[Kato]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely?

Delete it completely? That seems a bit harsh. Could we at least keep in the tarpit for future reference?

[Jonny Cache]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely? I mean, Lamont started it, and it's not like he isn't used to it...

I voted that they were the same person anyway, just so Lamont wouldn't feel like nobody loves him.

I was not taking that particular identification seriously, nor do I really care, but I think that the point of playing along with this little bit of street theatre is this — with a dossier so absurd as Dragon-Squared's, there is no more reason to believe the assertions on its user page than there was with the claims on Essjay's user page. Meanwhile, this Trusted Adminion who beehives like a robot is a typical component of a Cyborg City that enforces its mental blocks with inhumane and unquestioning ruthlessness. And beehiviour like that is the very essense of Wikipedia today.

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Tue 2nd October 2007, 3:56am

[GlassBeadGame]

What the hell are you talking about? No credible evidence has been presented here. As for Ryulong asserting major control, I think that is in your mind only. Look at his edits and take off the tinfoil hat.

So what does everyone think, then? Should we move this thread to the tar pit, or maybe delete it completely?

Delete it completely? That seems a bit harsh. Could we at least keep in the tarpit for future reference?

I think the thread demonstrates WR's ability to sort out the merits of various assertions and should be kept as and where it is now. It also shows that we can tolerate criticism without becoming hysterical. Lamont will have a better day tomorrow.

[blissyu2]

Isn't there a kids programme in Australia that is really famous? I can't remember what it is though.

The Wiggles is the most popular Australian kids entertainment group ever, and they are about 10 times more popular in USA than they are in Australia (they are still fairly popular here). Of course, if you're talking about ones that are famous in Australia, but unknown elsewhere, there's crap like Humphrey B. Bear, which is about the same level as Barney the Dinosaur. I approve of Wiggles. They are good. I'm not sure if they are worth US $250 million per year good, but they are very good.

I don't mind that this thread exists. Remember the reaction to Essjay when Daniel Brandt started on about that, and then remember how that turned out. There is nothing wrong with speculation, so long as we note that it is speculation, and don't use it to harass others, or anything like that. In the Essjay case, Essjay was someone who most WR members liked, and who was a very positive contributor to WR, and the evidence didn't seem very compelling, and even if it was, so what? But yet look how that one turned out.

Yes, this is a fishing expedition, and for the moment I think that LamontStormStar is wrong. But it may later turn out that this was right, or had some semblance of correctness.

Deleting this thread just because we can't prove that it is true would be irresponsible. There is nothing harassing in here.

However, if anyone feels that there is anything harassing, then this can be moved to a hidden area that can't be picked up by Google search engines, and/or any personal details can be [name redacted] a la SlimVirgin.

I don't think that this "gives WR a bad name" at all. And even if it did, who cares?

I guess that the crucial issue with this is this - if what LSS says is correct - that they are the same person, or father and son, or lovers, then so what? Does it matter? Once we can establish that it matters, then we need to determine whether it could be true. Right now, I don't think it matters even if it is true.