The Chipster goes on strike, -- cabal in disarray? Options

[GlassBeadGame]

Examining all the evidence, Berlet's association with the Chicago Area Stalinist Association probably should not be interpreted in that type of ideological context. After the Russian Wheat Deal of 1973, Soviet commodity traders, that is to say the KGB, became very active in Chicago Commodity markets. Here we need to reexamine the activities of other friends of Berlet who got filthy stinking rich on Chicago Commodity markets in the 1980s (remember, for example, how the Soviets manuipualted the price of gold in 1980 when it shot up to $875 per oz from about a $320 base after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Coincidentlally, the Soviets were the worlds second largest gold producer and seller as price floated inadvertantly high for much of the 1980s). This is where Berlet's financial angel, Richard Dennis comes back in the picture.

Then we have Berlet's longtime association with the commie rag, Guardian whom Wilfred Burchett wrote for in the 1950s in between coercing confessions from American POWs during the Korean War. Oddly, Berlet stopped writing for Guardian about three months before it, and the Soviet Union, both went out of existence when Gorbachev pulled the plug in 1992.

The problem with Berlet is not his leftism. There are good and bad people on the left like everywhere else. I don't have any problem with Berlet's resume or affiliations (although the Hoxha thing is pretty iconoclastic or splinter Maoist.) In fact we have traveled some of the same roads. Berlet's greatest evil as far as I can tell has been directed at other leftists, especially those who he has unfairly smeared as anti-Semites, often for nothing more than seeking justice for Muslims. I would be interested in hearing more concerning the options traders possible funding of his activities. I think it might be a full blown case of an outright sale out after have his ideological rug pulled out from under him. This would make him a very unpleasant person indeed.

[guy]

they all stink, the same is true of all the different varieties of socialism.

What about Christian socialism?

[JohnA]

Examining all the evidence, Berlet's association with the Chicago Area Stalinist Association probably should not be interpreted in that type of ideological context. After the Russian Wheat Deal of 1973, Soviet commodity traders, that is to say the KGB, became very active in Chicago Commodity markets. Here we need to reexamine the activities of other friends of Berlet who got filthy stinking rich on Chicago Commodity markets in the 1980s (remember, for example, how the Soviets manuipualted the price of gold in 1980 when it shot up to $875 per oz from about a $320 base after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Coincidentlally, the Soviets were the worlds second largest gold producer and seller as price floated inadvertantly high for much of the 1980s). This is where Berlet's financial angel, Richard Dennis comes back in the picture.

Then we have Berlet's longtime association with the commie rag, Guardian whom Wilfred Burchett wrote for in the 1950s in between coercing confessions from American POWs during the Korean War. Oddly, Berlet stopped writing for Guardian about three months before it, and the Soviet Union, both went out of existence when Gorbachev pulled the plug in 1992.

The problem with Berlet is not his leftism. There are good and bad people on the left like everywhere else. I don't have any problem with Berlet's resume or affiliations (although the Hoxha thing is pretty iconoclastic or splinter Maoist.) In fact we have traveled some of the same roads. Berlet's greatest evil as far as I can tell has been directed at other leftists, especially those who he has unfairly smeared as anti-Semites, often for nothing more than seeking justice for Muslims. I would be interested in hearing more concerning the options traders possible funding of his activities. I think it might be a full blown case of an outright sale out after have his ideological rug pulled out from under him. This would make him a very unpleasant person indeed.

My point is that Chip is no liberal.

[GlassBeadGame]

Examining all the evidence, Berlet's association with the Chicago Area Stalinist Association probably should not be interpreted in that type of ideological context. After the Russian Wheat Deal of 1973, Soviet commodity traders, that is to say the KGB, became very active in Chicago Commodity markets. Here we need to reexamine the activities of other friends of Berlet who got filthy stinking rich on Chicago Commodity markets in the 1980s (remember, for example, how the Soviets manuipualted the price of gold in 1980 when it shot up to $875 per oz from about a $320 base after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Coincidentlally, the Soviets were the worlds second largest gold producer and seller as price floated inadvertantly high for much of the 1980s). This is where Berlet's financial angel, Richard Dennis comes back in the picture.

Then we have Berlet's longtime association with the commie rag, Guardian whom Wilfred Burchett wrote for in the 1950s in between coercing confessions from American POWs during the Korean War. Oddly, Berlet stopped writing for Guardian about three months before it, and the Soviet Union, both went out of existence when Gorbachev pulled the plug in 1992.

The problem with Berlet is not his leftism. There are good and bad people on the left like everywhere else. I don't have any problem with Berlet's resume or affiliations (although the Hoxha thing is pretty iconoclastic or splinter Maoist.) In fact we have traveled some of the same roads. Berlet's greatest evil as far as I can tell has been directed at other leftists, especially those who he has unfairly smeared as anti-Semites, often for nothing more than seeking justice for Muslims. I would be interested in hearing more concerning the options traders possible funding of his activities. I think it might be a full blown case of an outright sale out after have his ideological rug pulled out from under him. This would make him a very unpleasant person indeed.

My point is that Chip is no liberal.

I think back when he had honest politics he was left of liberal. I doubt he has any principled beliefs at this time.

[WhispersOfWisdom]

Examining all the evidence, Berlet's association with the Chicago Area Stalinist Association probably should not be interpreted in that type of ideological context. After the Russian Wheat Deal of 1973, Soviet commodity traders, that is to say the KGB, became very active in Chicago Commodity markets. Here we need to reexamine the activities of other friends of Berlet who got filthy stinking rich on Chicago Commodity markets in the 1980s (remember, for example, how the Soviets manuipualted the price of gold in 1980 when it shot up to $875 per oz from about a $320 base after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Coincidentlally, the Soviets were the worlds second largest gold producer and seller as price floated inadvertantly high for much of the 1980s). This is where Berlet's financial angel, Richard Dennis comes back in the picture.

Forgive me for my habit of taking exception to financial news that is not quite "fit to print," but,
gold peaked in and around 1980 at approximately $800 per the troy oz. It then declined for the next 20 years. (Very quickly (actually) in the early 1980's to around $300 per ounce.) It became free to trade in the late 1970's and moved in sinc with inflation and oil and the commodity bull market of the 1970's, as well as, the last major decline in the U.S. dollar.

Political turmoil can be cited as a partial cause for gold as a "hedge," however, it has never worked as any such thing. For nearly 20 years people have lost money owning gold. Like owning many "blue chip" tech. stocks such as Microsoft in the NASDAQ bubble of 1999-2000, people
that bought gold or Microsoft at peak valuations are "bagholders." By the way, Microsoft is still less than 1/2 of what it was in the year 2000.

Gold is making a mighty comeback for many of the same reasons it ran up in 1978 to 1980.
It may reach the zenith it reached in 1980; after nearly 30 years the gold bugs will be even.

Since I cannot eat it and it does not pay any dividends, it is not an appealing anything to me.

* edited by Nathan: fixed quote

This post has been edited by Nathan: Sat 13th October 2007, 10:38pm

[GlassBeadGame]

Since I cannot eat it and it does not pay any dividends, it is not an appealing anything to me.

Nacho cheezy debentures. Yum.

[alienus]

I doubt he has any principled beliefs at this time.

I'd say that's exactly right. And speaking of right, Conservapedia's incredibly far in that direction. I have trouble reading it without laughing and/or spitting.

Al

[nobs]

Examining all the evidence, Berlet's association with the Chicago Area Stalinist Association probably should not be interpreted in that type of ideological context. After the Russian Wheat Deal of 1973, Soviet commodity traders, that is to say the KGB, became very active in Chicago Commodity markets. Here we need to reexamine the activities of other friends of Berlet who got filthy stinking rich on Chicago Commodity markets in the 1980s (remember, for example, how the Soviets manuipualted the price of gold in 1980 when it shot up to $875 per oz from about a $320 base after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Coincidentlally, the Soviets were the worlds second largest gold producer and seller as price floated inadvertantly high for much of the 1980s). This is where Berlet's financial angel, Richard Dennis comes back in the picture.

Then we have Berlet's longtime association with the commie rag, Guardian whom Wilfred Burchett wrote for in the 1950s in between coercing confessions from American POWs during the Korean War. Oddly, Berlet stopped writing for Guardian about three months before it, and the Soviet Union, both went out of existence when Gorbachev pulled the plug in 1992.

The problem with Berlet is not his leftism. There are good and bad people on the left like everywhere else. I don't have any problem with Berlet's resume or affiliations (although the Hoxha thing is pretty iconoclastic or splinter Maoist.) In fact we have traveled some of the same roads. Berlet's greatest evil as far as I can tell has been directed at other leftists, especially those who he has unfairly smeared as anti-Semites, often for nothing more than seeking justice for Muslims. I would be interested in hearing more concerning the options traders possible funding of his activities. I think it might be a full blown case of an outright sale out after have his ideological rug pulled out from under him. This would make him a very unpleasant person indeed.

My point is that Chip is no liberal.

I think back when he had honest politics he was left of liberal. I doubt he has any principled beliefs at this time.

Laird Wilcox, according to the peer reviewed Military Law Review is one of the "foremost experts on extremism," writes this of PRA & its Senior Researcher:

Guidestar, the internet search service of Philanthropic Research, Inc., lists Political Research Associates as follows:

"PRA is a research center that analyzes information on anti-democratic movements and trends and publishes materials that explain their ideologies, strategies, agendas, financing and links to each other."

What this description leaves out is the heavy radical left agenda of PRA itself, including the fact that those "anti-democratic" movements fail to include Marxist-Leninist and extreme leftist movements unless they are in sectarian dispute with PRA.

Source: Laird Wilcox, The Watchdogs: A Close Look at Anti-Racist "Watchdog" Groups, Second Edition, Part 2, Chapter Four: Political Research Associates, A Study in "Links and ties," Editorial Research Service, 1999, pgs. 20 - 21. ISBN 0-993592-96-5.

"Sectarian dispute" is the best way to describe it. Right Woos Left is Berlet's call for ideological clarity, and the controversy Berlet started on Brandt's board was an open manifestation of that dispute.

gold peaked in and around 1980 at approximately $800 per the troy oz. It then declined for the next 20 years. (Very quickly (actually) in the early 1980's to around $300 per ounce.) It became free to trade in the late 1970's and moved in sinc with inflation and oil and the commodity bull market of the 1970's, as well as, the last major decline in the U.S. dollar.

Political turmoil can be cited as a partial cause for gold as a "hedge," however, it has never worked as any such thing. For nearly 20 years people have lost money owning gold.

Gold floated in the $500-600 range for at least three years after 1980, largely because Soviet/KGB buyers and sellers worldwide manipulated the price, playing both sides of the market, bidding the price back up when it sunk to about $450, and unloading again around $600. True, most people lost money; the only people who made money was Brezhnez/Chernyenko/Andropov, et al, trying to keep the USSR aloat, and people like Berlet's buddy Richard Dennis. Jimbo Wales it appears, is a protege of Richard Dennis's book.

The political turmoil you cite was manufactured in the Kremlin.

This post has been edited by nobs: Mon 15th October 2007, 1:02am

[Kato]

Nobs, all I'm getting from your links on this thread are mirror images of the Chipster. Efforts to smear people using dubious findings, political hacks dredging up 2 and 2 and making 5. Dubious and shady propaganda pieces to attack ideological enemies.

We don't need to do this to discredit the Chipster. He already did it himself.

The political turmoil you cite was manufactured in the Kremlin.

Utter codswallop!

[GlassBeadGame]

Nobs, all I'm getting from your links on this thread are mirror images of the Chipster. Efforts to smear people using dubious findings, political hacks dredging up 2 and 2 and making 5. Dubious and shady propaganda pieces to attack ideological enemies.

We don't need to do this to discredit the Chipster. He already did it himself.

The political turmoil you cite was manufactured in the Kremlin.

Utter codswallop!

Yeah, Cod's udder wallop.

[nobs]

Nobs, all I'm getting from your links on this thread are mirror images of the Chipster. Efforts to smear people using dubious findings, political hacks dredging up 2 and 2 and making 5. Dubious and shady propaganda pieces to attack ideological enemies.

We don't need to do this to discredit the Chipster. He already did it himself.

The political turmoil you cite was manufactured in the Kremlin.

Utter codswallop!

The Gold spike has never been in dispute. And my source has impecible credentials.
*John George & Laird Wilcox, American Extremists: Militias, Supremacists, Klansmen, Communists and Others, Prometheus Books, 1996 (ISBN 1-57392-058-4).
*Racial Extremism in the Army, MAJ Walter M. Hudson, The Military Law Review, Vol 159 (Mar 99), Department of the Army, Washington, DC. Army Pamphlet No 27-100-159, p. 7.

"One reader who saw the chart I posted yesterday pointed out:
"One thing I've continually seen overlooked in the explanation for the rise of gold during 1979-80, especially the final parabolic spike, was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan."
Quite true. It may seem like ancient history now, but only because we know how the story ends. At the time, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which began around Christmas 1979, was a terrible global shock. The Soviets had just signed a "bilateral treaty of cooperation" with Afghanistan in 1978, but by the next year relations had deteriorated.....

[Herschelkrustofsky]

May I respectfully suggest that we either find our way back to the Chipster (in his Wikipedia incarnation, please,) or else split some of this material off into the new off-topic political discussion subforum?

[Kato]

May I respectfully suggest that we either find our way back to the Chipster (in his Wikipedia incarnation, please,) or else split some of this material off into the new off-topic political discussion subforum?

Please do. What was a critique of Chip's wikipedia exploits has deteriorated into something entirely different. All we need left is someone to link him with the Illuminati and our efforts will be completely wasted.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

And behold! The matter is now before the arbcom. The Chipster's defensive linebacker, Will Beback, calls me the "most famous and enduring" of the "LaRouche followers"! I'd be flattered, but then he goes on to say that all the other LaRouche followers are me, too.

It looks like a few other senior Wikipedians are tired of the Chipster and his clone. Except for Morven. What's the story on him? He seems like a bit of a dolt.

[GlassBeadGame]

And behold! The matter is now before the arbcom. The Chipster's defensive linebacker, Will Beback, calls me the "most famous and enduring" of the "LaRouche followers"! I'd be flattered, but then he goes on to say that all the other LaRouche followers are me, too.

It looks like a few other senior Wikipedians are tired of the Chipster and his clone. Except for Morven. What's the story on him? He seems like a bit of a dolt.

Marvin Diode makes a pretty good statement, linked above.

[Mndrew]

I believe HK was referring to this statement by Matthew Brown aka Morven:

Reject. I see no need to re-examine things here; the people and issues involved here have been up before the committee before and I see little change. That the LaRouche supporters are back under different names changes little. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 01:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the history behind the whole Chip Berlet thing, but from the looks of it, it seems that all the LaRouche opponents want this to be slipped under the rug as quietly as possible - which is why Cberlet has taken his month-long "wikibreak".

This post has been edited by Mndrew: Tue 16th October 2007, 5:15pm

[nobs]

And behold! The matter is now before the arbcom. The Chipster's defensive linebacker, Will Beback, calls me the "most famous and enduring" of the "LaRouche followers"! I'd be flattered, but then he goes on to say that all the other LaRouche followers are me, too.

Will Beback says,

Cberlet's error wasn't in using those terms for LaRouche, which are fully sourceable. It was in not maintaining proper neutrality by saying that LaRouche has been called an "antisemite" instead of saying he is an antisemite. That's a subtle distinction and should not result in major penalties.

I'd call it a major breach of BLP. Will Beback himself basically endorses Arbitration,

The mediation request ...did not seek to resolve content issues....[Complainant] claimed that [Respondant] has engaged in the "unwarranted promotion of fringe theories" and wanted the ArbCom to "examine" his behavior.

[nobs]

Hey, Chip is not so slick. He immediated created User:Hardindr as a sock to evade his block, and then his sock got blocked, too.

HK, I think this might be a Berlet sock, Wysdom. He was editing both Fred Newman and List of Americans in the Venona papers. Can't think of another editor with such diverse interests.

This post has been edited by nobs: Wed 17th October 2007, 3:16am

[Herschelkrustofsky]

And behold! The matter is now before the arbcom.

A significant number of editors has come forward to criticize the Chipster. He must be serious about his Wikibreak, to refrain from holding forth on such an occasion. Of course, his clone Dking is quite capable of doing exactly what Chip would do.

[blissyu2]

It is currently at 2/3/1 against it being accepted by ArbCom. It was at 3/0/0 earlier, but Charles Matthews changed from Accept to Undecided, and the last 3 all rejected it.

Looks like it might be swept under the carpet.