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[blissyu2]

I think that there should be part of the disclaimer:

"Note: The following users are permitted to write whatever they like, and any attempts to oppose them will see you reverted, and persistent opposing will see you banned"

And then have a secondary note about people who have control over certain articles (e.g. Longhair over Australian crime articles).

If people were explicitly aware of such things, then I can't see that there would be such a big problem with it. If we all knew that Snowspinner, Slim Virgin, Raul654 etc were allowed to run amok, then what's the problem? The issue is that we aren't explicitly aware of it.

[vulchy]

Well, we are aware of it now. I mean, they can't spell everything out for us, can they?

[guy]

One of the funniest things about this is SlimVirgin's alleged justification: "we're limiting ourselves to the ones we're directly interested in, because we believe they may pose a special threat to the people listed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=42132802

So Greville Janner and Gerald Kaufman can rest easy now; they've been deleted from the list so nobody will know they're Jewish. But if that were really the motive, why delete people who are long dead?

[vulchy]

Yeah, like the evil Muslim terrorist from outer space can't just scroll over to discussion and see their names there......

[blissyu2]

I would have thought that becoming a potential victim of a terrorist threat would rely on something a bit more than being listed on a Wikipedia list. I mean, like I would have thought that they'd actually know them and a bit about them first. Calling someone a Jew when they are a Jew isn't exactly slanderous or anything, is it?

[vulchy]

You know, what disturbs me the most is that some of the comments by SlimVirgin or IZAK suggest they think it's a near form of slander. Their January proposal seemed to indicate that they think that most Jews wish to hide their background and that Wikipedia is "exposing them" or some such thing.

I think the explanation is that they are both very old people. (Or at least very old compared to me)

Obviously, anything (accurate) that is on Wikipedia can most likely be easily found anywhere else on line anyway.

[guy]

After all, the "worst offenders" in "outing" Jews are Jewish newspapers and yearbooks, not to mention web sites like www.jinfo.org. Oh, and the Encyclopaedia Judaica.

Lulu attacked the Jewish Year Book as a source because it was from a "sectarian organisation" (i.e. a publisher who publishes many books of Jewish interest) and would therefore, he implies, include many non-Jews to swell numbers. They're trying to have it all ways!

[vulchy]

My goodness, did Lulu actually say that?

I do believe I've missed a bit of fun by not being involved in that tussle.

Yes, there are plenty of websites on the net that lists famous Jews, the best of which was Jewhoo. And all of these web sites were run by Jews. I'm really beginning to think most of the big detractors of the Wikipedia lists are just way too politically correct non-Jews.

[guy]

My goodness, did Lulu actually say that?

Yep, it's still on the List of Jewish jurists talk page.

"From what I can determine in some searches, at least in the USA, the American Jewish Yearbook is a vanity publication of the American Jewish Committee, which is a sectarian right-wing organization. I'd put very low credit in this as a source of information, enough that I'd object to inclusion of a name if this was the only reference. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 16:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)"

After RachelBrown explained that when she said the Jewish Year Book, she meant the Jewish Year Book and not the American Jewish Yearbook, he added

"Oh, it appears that the British version of Jewish Year Book is a similarly sectarian publication of Vallentine Mitchell Publishers. I had not hear of them, but their web site makes them seem approximately equally reliable as the American Jewish Committee (i.e. very low, but non-zero). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 17:41, 19 November 2005 (UTC)"

I'm sure that it will come as news to everyone that the American Jewish Committee is a sectarian (i.e. Jewish) organisation. I will say to SlimVirgin's credit that she slapped Lulu down on the the Jewish Year Book.