Lies, Lies, Lies, Yeah, With apologies to the Thompson Twins Options

[Jonny Cache]

Although Mr. Awbrey posts quite frequently, I'd hardly call him "influential".

Maybe it would help if I posted more frequently under the influence?

Jonny

[WordBomb]

Even if it's now been demonstrated that ontogeny doesn't recapitulate phylogeny.

Being able to understand why that's funny (or at least ironic) might be the first time I've applied anything I learned in embryology. Thanks!

[Piperdown]

Although Mr. Awbrey posts quite frequently, I'd hardly call him "influential".

Maybe it would help if I posted more frequently under the influence?

Jonny

Have you considered applying for re-instatement on WP under the disclosure that you were DUI of Chilean wine the entire time you were editing WP?

Chilean wine - It allows you to tell several wikipricks to fuck off, and get off with it - it's WikiLove Lubricant of the 'Naughts.

[Jonny Cache]

Although Mr. Awbrey posts quite frequently, I'd hardly call him "influential".

Maybe it would help if I posted more frequently under the influence?

Jonny

Have you considered applying for re-instatement on WP under the disclosure that you were DUI of Chilean wine the entire time you were editing WP?

Chilean wine — It allows you to tell several wikipricks to fuck off, and get off with it — it's WikiLove Lubricant of the 'Naughts.

I doubt if Mr. Wales could pay me enough to work on Wikipedia full time again.

That is, of course, just my initial bargaining position — I will naturally entertain any reasonable offer.

Jonny

[JohnA]

Following on from what I said earlier about Mr Chapman, his wiki-addiction and the law of diminishing returns, I'd say he was projecting his own feelings of futility as the returns get ever less exciting.

So now he wants attention and affirmation that he's still the center of attention on WP. The only problem is that this will not be enough either, so he'll either get more and more abusive in order to get the negative attention from WR that he craves to feed his diminishing ardour, or he'll pick a fight with someone on WP in order to leave in a blaze of glory.

For some reason Guy needs to feel important rather than impotent, possibly because he suffers from low self-esteem.

The problem is the WP is a fickle lover, and Guy might just get a kick to the crotch as a reminder of what happens when you think you're essential.

This post has been edited by JohnA: Tue 13th November 2007, 11:17pm

[Somey]

Here's yet another howler:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=170915402

All this would make sense if Wikipedia suppressed dissent (which it doesn't) or if there were no independent forum to discuss what people would like to change (which there is: wikien-l).

So not only does he totally ignore the content of a website when pronouncing his fantasy-world conceptions of it, he totally ignores the URL, too! Hey, JzG, have you checked the domain name on the WikiEN-L archive lately? It may surprise you to learn that it starts out with "http://lists.wikimedia.org"! Imagine that!

Of course, I guess Wikipedia probably defines "independent" differently from the rest of the world, along with so many other words.

There's not much point in even addressing the ludicrous idea that WP doesn't suppress dissent, of course. The very fact that they call it "dissent" in the first place should tell you quite a lot about their mindset going in, I should think.

[Jonny Cache]

Here's yet another howler:

Unctious Guff:JustZitsGuy&diff=170922863&oldid=170915402

All this would make sense if Wikipedia suppressed dissent (which it doesn't) or if there were no independent forum to discuss what people would like to change (which there is: wikien-l).

So not only does he totally ignore the content of a website when pronouncing his fantasy-world conceptions of it, he totally ignores the URL, too! Hey, JzG, have you checked the domain name on the WikiEN-L archive lately? It may surprise you to learn that it starts out with "http://lists.wikimedia.org"! Imagine that!

Of course, I guess Wikipedia probably defines "independent" differently from the rest of the world, along with so many other words.

There's not much point in even addressing the ludicrous idea that WP doesn't suppress dissent, of course. The very fact that they call it "dissent" in the first place should tell you quite a lot about their mindset going in, I should think.

These are, of course, just the ordures of Burbling Uffish Falsehood that the G-Men, Guy & Gerard, Incorpulent — who dominate the list at this moment trying to out-suck each other — can only get away with uffering in Cloistered Fora whose Cluster Ushers gag and bind and toss you out of as soon as you start to say anything that they find it the least bit uncomfortable to listen to.

BTDT, just more of their BS …

But what these Wikipediots fail to grasp is that they are making defamatory statements about real people.

That has consequences.

These Wikipediots make defamatory statements about real people in the public spaces of Wikipedia and its various discussion groups.

That has consequences.

These Wikipediots make defamatory statements about real people in a way that denies the subjects of their statements the the right of reply in those same spaces.

That has consequences.

These Wikipediots make defamatory statements about real people in away that not only ignores the facts of the matter but that blocks inquiry into the facts of the matter and that thus obstructs the pursuit of the truth about the facts of the matter.

That has consequences.

These Wikipediots forget that the targets of their deliberately misleading and persistently false defamations do not cease to exist simply because these Wikipediots have elected to ignore their objections and protests.

We will see the consequences of that.

Jon Awbrey

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 14th November 2007, 2:15pm

[WordBomb]

Here's yet another howler:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=170915402

All this would make sense if Wikipedia suppressed dissent (which it doesn't) or if there were no independent forum to discuss what people would like to change (which there is: wikien-l).

Yeah, funny thing back in August, when Cyde launched the AN/I on SlimVirgin and everything started coming apart, "Frank Bellowes" started asking about Jayjg on wikien-l. Soon Jimbo found himself in a non-Kansas place and accused Bellowes of being me (or so it would seem). I, then a subscriber to the list, tried several times to post a note saying nothing more than I had never before posted to that list. Of course, not one of my posts survived moderation.

On a related note, look at this overt oddness by Jimbo in response to the observation that Jayjg had not edited for three weeks and was thus AWOL:

NavouWiki wrote:
> He does not have to explain his absence.

The claimed "absence" is a lie.

--Jimbo

It's now been more than three months. Can Jayjg be called "absent" yet? Or would that be lying?

[Jonny Cache]

Here's yet another howler:

User_talk:JzG&diff=170922863&oldid=170915402

All this would make sense if Wikipedia suppressed dissent (which it doesn't) or if there were no independent forum to discuss what people would like to change (which there is: wikien-l).

Yeah, funny thing back in August, when Cyde launched the AN/I on SlimVirgin and everything started coming apart, "Frank Bellowes" started asking about Jayjg on wikien-l. Soon Jimbo found himself in a non-Kansas place and accused Bellowes of being me (or so it would seem). I, then a subscriber to the list, tried several times to post a note saying nothing more than I had never before posted to that list. Of course, not one of my posts survived moderation.

On a related note, look at this overt oddness by Jimbo in response to the observation that Jayjg had not edited for three weeks and was thus AWOL:

NavouWiki wrote:
> He does not have to explain his absence.

The claimed "absence" is a lie.

--Jimbo

It's now been more than three months. Can Jayjg be called "absent" yet? Or would that be lying?

Yet Another Act Of Welcoming Open Discussion (YAAOWOD) by JustZisGuyY'Know

I suppose we should start a list of these, but I'm not sure we can afford another server.

Jonny

[thekohser]

Chapman's funniest line, in my opinion, was this:

On Wikipedia, harassment and attacks are not acceptable.

I think he meant to say, "are not only acceptable, they're encouraged."

Greg

[Jonny Cache]

And Another …

It begins to appear that anyone who asks an intelligent question or who makes an intelligent remark in Wikipedia is automatically suspected — and to be suspected in Wikipedia is to be executed in Wikipedia — of being a sockpuppet.

∑1 Over Dey Ought To Start Thinking About The Implications Of That …

Jon Awbrey

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 14th November 2007, 5:42pm

[Jonny Cache]

There are moments of clarity when it all seems very simple. This is one of those moments.

People who are constantly making false statements — no matter the place where they make them, no matter the cause of their doing so, pathological dishonesty or recalcitrant ignorance — those people cannot be trusted to control a medium of information distribution.

And when it comes to how long it will take the general public to figure out what those people who administer Wikipedia under the names of SlimVirgin, JzG, ad nauseum really are, then I can think of nothing that says it better than that line from Braveheart, a form of words to the following effect —

If you cannot see what those people are —
then I fear that your judgment is beyond repair.

Yes, it really is that simple.

Jon Awbrey

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 14th November 2007, 11:40pm

[Moulton]

Homo Schleppians is not especially well known for good judgment.

And if I'm wrong about that, then here I am exercising poor judgment.

[Jonny Cache]

Homo Schleppians is not especially well known for good judgment.

And if I'm wrong about that, then here I am exercising poor judgment.

∑× people befuddle themselves and others 4 the sheer fun of it.

∑× people befuddle themselves and others 2xcuse their intellectual effeteness and their moral cowardice.

I guess the salvation for The Wikipedia Review will be if it remains a low-pressure zone where people can tell the truth about Wikipedia and other Wiki Mediated Projects — when and if they get a round tuit.

Jon Awbrey

[michael]

Please be honest: does anybody here consider my profile to be a "high" one? In 15 months I've posted 157 times. In slightly less time, "Awbrey" has posted about 3,500 times. Even the two-week old newcomer Moulton beats me by over 100 posts (and counting). I've always considered myself to be a bit of a low-grade lurker here...so much so I don't even know who fellow high profile enemy of WP "Barber/JB196/Looch" is.

Anyway, I have to assume others on that list are getting a sense of Guy's growing break with reality. As I've said here before: Guy, get help, and then try to be nicer.

No, but Wikipedia says that you're Piperdown, and he's posted quite a bit. If Wikipedia says it, it must be true, so you've obviously been socking with a second WR account for no apparent reason.

[The Joy]

Aren't we all socks of Runcorn... or even Jon Awbrey?

[guy]

Aren't we all socks of Runcorn... or even Jon Awbrey?

I'm a sock of JzG myself - silly of me to use a similar name.

[Moulton]

I once tried to walk a furlong in one of Jonny's sox, but I ended up in a self-induced torpor and lost track of what point I was not trying to forget.

[Jonny Cache]

Aren't we all socks of Runcorn … or even Jon Awbrey?

Jimmy crack Runcorn,
And I don't care —
My mind has gone away …

An editor has expressed a concern that Jon Awbrey may be a sock puppet of Bare In Mind, but then that editor ceased to be concerned anymore.

Jonny Cache, on be½ of Jon Awbrey, on be½ of Bare In Mind

[Jonny Cache]

I once tried to walk a furlong in one of Jonny's sox, but I ended up in a self-induced torpor and lost track of what point I was not trying to forget.

Does my finely honed link-twisted sleuth nose sniff out un toxicomane avoué d'oignons?

Yes, I believe it does.

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Thu 15th November 2007, 6:28pm