Conspiracy To Violate Copyright, What's Wrong With This Picture ? Options

[Moulton]

Wikipedia's Deny Attribution (WP:DA) program is already in full swing.

This seems to be the nub of the issue, from my perspective.

The absence of a functional and responsive dispute resolution process is at the core of a lot of the problems.

Oh, wait.

You said Deny Attribution, not Deny Arbitration.

Never mind.

This post has been edited by Moulton: Wed 28th November 2007, 1:44pm

[anthony]

if we think they should be allowed to come along and edit some then *we should not ban them*.

Sounds right to me.

Of course, the whole idea of banning certain people while allowing anonymous contributions is completely impossible anyway. If people can contribute anonymously, then you can't ban anyone. If you want to ban people, then you can't let others contribute anonymously. How hard is that to understand?

[Jonny Cache]

Wikipedia's Deny Attribution (WP:DA) program is already in full swing.

This seems to be the nub of the issue, from my perspective.

The absence of a functional and responsive dispute resolution process is at the core of a lot of the problems.

What's to dispute about due attribution?

The absence of a functional conscience, ethics, and moral compass of a 4-year old is at the core of a lot of the problems.

Jon Awbrey

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 28th November 2007, 1:50pm

[Jonny Cache]

if we think they should be allowed to come along and edit some then *we should not ban them*.

Sounds right to me.

Of course, the whole idea of banning certain people while allowing anonymous contributions is completely impossible anyway. If people can contribute anonymously, then you can't ban anyone. If you want to ban people, then you can't let others contribute anonymously. How hard is that to understand?

Let's be clear. This has nothing to do with contributions made post-banning. Banning is merely the device and the excuse that Wikipediot Management uses to steal content, to deny proper attribution to those who contributed the content, and to prevent the victim from Fixing It in the wiki-way that they constantly advertize as being their ideal.

There does not appear to be an article creation log, only the article deletion log, so they have deleted the record that I created this article under my IRL user name long before I was blocked. Deleting the article also removes the edits from my contribution history and the tools that use them like the Kate-Interiot utility.

Jon Awbrey

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Thu 29th November 2007, 2:34pm

[AB]

There does not appear to be an article creation log, only the article deletion log, so they have deleted the record that I created this article under my IRL user name long before I was blocked. Deleting the article also removes the edits from my contribution history and the tools that use them like the Kate-Interiot utility.

Jon Awbrey

I am sorry. I feel your pain. {{{Jonny}}}

[Jonny Cache]

There does not appear to be an article creation log, only the article deletion log, so they have deleted the record that I created this article under my IRL user name long before I was blocked. Deleting the article also removes the edits from my contribution history and the tools that use them like the Kate-Interiot utility.

Jon Awbrey

I am sorry. I feel your pain.

I appreciate your concern, but what I experience in regarding the systematic perfidy of the Wikipediot Cult is more properly described as anger and contempt, and the scope of those affects extends well beyond the purely personal sphere, as does the effects of their own actions.

Jon Awbrey

[AB]

I appreciate your concern, but what I experience in regarding the systematic perfidy of the Wikipediot Cult is more properly described as anger and contempt, and the scope of those affects extends well beyond the purely personal sphere, as does the effects of their own actions.

Jon Awbrey

Anger and contempt are not painful for you?

Okay then, sorry.

[Jonny Cache]

I appreciate your concern, but what I experience in regarding the systematic perfidy of the Wikipediot Cult is more properly described as anger and contempt, and the scope of those affects extends well beyond the purely personal sphere, as does the effects of their own actions.

Jon Awbrey

Anger and contempt are not painful for you?

Okay then, sorry.

Didn't say that, but pain is not the proper focus of attention, and does not become so except in morbid conditions. Pain, like any other affect, is an intentional condition. In other words, it is directed toward an object and it has an objective. In the case of a negative affect like pain, the object is a condition that one earnestly desires to change. That is the semantics and the pragmatics of the signal pain.

Jon Awbrey

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 28th November 2007, 3:14pm

[AB]

Didn't say that, but pain is not the proper focus of attention, and does not become so except in morbid conditions.

People's feelings are not the proper focus of attention???

;_;

Pain, like any other affect, is an intentional condition. In other words, it is directed toward an object and it has an objective. In the case of a negative affect like pain, the object is a condition that one earnestly desires to change. That is the semantics and the pragmatics of the signal pain.

Jon Awbrey

Sorry, if you want change, I am afraid I am completely
and utterly useless to you.

[dtobias]

People's feelings are not the proper focus of attention???

At a very basal level, one's own feelings are the focus of one's attention; that's true of infants and animals. Higher life forms, though, have learned to refocus their attention on things in the outside world other than their own feelings.

[AB]

People's feelings are not the proper focus of attention???

At a very basal level, one's own feelings are the focus of one's attention; that's true of infants and animals. Higher life forms, though, have learned to refocus their attention on things in the outside world other than their own feelings.

Errr, I though I was focusing on Jonny's feelings, not mine.

Infants and animals? What about friends and lovers?