Outrageous, ArbCom puts field hand Giano in his place Options

People continue to speak out against arbitrators being stupid.

I'm surprised at this. Usually the people to speak out against arbitrators are those with clear ulterior motives or people who just like complaining. Editors are getting bolder, and that's not good for the cabal.

Do you honestly expect anything better from weepy, paranoid FloNight? I was surprised to see her oppose, much less comment on her opposition. I wonder what specific diffs changed her mind though?

Wait wait. Didn't FloNight just reject the MONGO case a week or so ago? Why is it not important for us peons to see that Arbcom sanctions incivility there?

Yeah, she didn't bother recusing despite being involved in WT:NPA. She's one arbitrator (the only, IMO) that's totally in MONGO's pocket.

Do you honestly expect anything better from weepy, paranoid FloNight? I was surprised to see her oppose, much less comment on her opposition. I wonder what specific diffs changed her mind though?

Maybe she was afraid that someone would finally point out that she was on the 2nd Sooper Sekrit list. No one seems to be mentioning it much. It seems that she is trying to be very, very careful here. so as to distance herself from what Durova did, now.

In the shameless corner, we have JPgordon (on the first list) and Matthew Brown (on the 2nd list) who are blatantly attacking Giano.

And of course Grandma Fred Bauder, whining that hanging restricting isn't good enough for Giano. Given his own history, you think he's be a bit more broad minded, but apparently, loyalty, not impartial justice, is his strong suit.

Which goes to show that he was right to out the information, and were it not out, this would be a closed case, and Durova wouldntve even got a slap on the hand.

People continue to speak out against arbitrators being stupid.

I'm surprised at this. Usually the people to speak out against arbitrators are those with clear ulterior motives or people who just like complaining. Editors are getting bolder, and that's not good for the cabal.

Not me. No good can come of that kind of thing. I no longer speak out against arbitrators being stupid. I now merely speak out that arbitrators are stupid.

I'd feel bad if Giano got screwed, but now that I'm banned if I had a choice in Wikipedia's fate it would be for it to collapse under a sea of drama. Maybe this is for the best.

I'd feel bad if Giano got screwed, but now that I'm banned if I had a choice in Wikipedia's fate it would be for it to collapse under a sea of drama. Maybe this is for the best.

Except by now it's the status quo for Arbcom to rule for those who have wikipolitical power. Not enough people like Giano for this to be anything else but the next example.

Eh, it's not like they're completely unwilling to make unpopular decisions. They did desysop MONGO after all. Some of them quite enthusiastically.

EDIT: THey also didn't swallow JzG's BS about "banned users" forcing Durova to be an idiot.

This post has been edited by Miltopia: Fri 30th November 2007, 2:00am

Not me. No good can come of that kind of thing. I no longer speak out against arbitrators being stupid. I now merely speak out that arbitrators are stupid.

Stupid isn't the point; none of them are classically stupid, or even ignorant. Biased? yes. Bipartisan? No. Thus Arbcom has been a failure for quite a long time. This is why Durova was using it as a easy way to get off of discussion almost anything. She could say "take it to Arbcom" and it woudl be either ignored, or ruled in her favor. Easy.

I'd feel bad if Giano got screwed, but now that I'm banned if I had a choice in Wikipedia's fate it would be for it to collapse under a sea of drama. Maybe this is for the best.

Sounds good to me. I think that's where it's headed anyway...

This post has been edited by CaptainMidnight: Fri 30th November 2007, 2:18am

Eh, it's not like they're completely unwilling to make unpopular decisions. They did desysop MONGO after all. Some of them quite enthusiastically.

This became a case only because of !!'s friends like Giano and Bishonen, who make a huge outcry about how !! was banned, but also how the post-banning reaction went. It is a joke that Arbcom claims that this would be a case without Giano. No way. Giano, Bishonen, and Physichem62 (now JeHochman's new mentor) pushed this until it became a case. But the fire came from Giano (also Bishonen).

EDIT: THey also didn't swallow JzG's BS about "banned users" forcing Durova to be an idiot.

Like I said, they aren't stupid. Just biased. Fred Bauder (teetering on the stupid with him) claims that Durova made one small error and Giano is the anti-christ (paraphrased).

I'd feel bad if Giano got screwed, but now that I'm banned if I had a choice in Wikipedia's fate it would be for it to collapse under a sea of drama. Maybe this is for the best.

Sounds good to me.

Yes, it is lose-lose. If he is punished, that is terrible. If he gets out of being punished (which is insane that those words even need be spoken - "if he escapes punishment for having outed corrupt behavior", then it will look like he said a few days ago. "The system works".

Remember, he did say that. He said "the system works". I guess he knows differently now.

But even if this does cause a huge rippled in the WP consciousness, things won't change much after this. Unfortunately.

Giano's going to become the Juan Peron of WP. They try to silence him but the descamisadoes of minor editors and wiki-gnomes will raise him to the level of a messiah!

A new Wikipedia...!

My goodness... the lyrics... they speak what is happening!

(I wanted to write some parody lyrics, but I fear Madonna's lawyers!)

That's not the best simile to bring forth: a corrupt administration that helped drive the wealthy nation into bankruptcy, including a period of hard dictatorial rules following said leader.

On the other hand, it would be fun to see Wikipedia have the President-every-20-minutes debacle that Argentina had about 10 years ago.

And who would be Evita? Bishonen? Durova? Slimvirgin? Flonight?

Well, I'll admit that Giano has more scruples than Juan Peron. Giano I think has the best of WP in his interest.

Yes, Bishonen was my idea of Evita, but only because of her strength and determination. Ethically, she's well above Evita.

But, you know, if Giano starts agreeing with the Cabal in any way, he'll be accused of "selling out" the people and then we'll have to wait for another savior and so on and so on.

Giano is the "People's Arbitrator" but he could quickly become the "People's Arbitraitor."

Giano is the "People's Arbitrator" but he could quickly become the "People's Arbitraitor."

I don't think so. He's never promised anything other than being true to himself.

Well, I'll admit that Giano has more scruples than Juan Peron. Giano I think has the best of WP in his interest.

Yes, Bishonen was my idea of Evita, but only because of her strength and determination. Ethically, she's well above Evita.

But, you know, if Giano starts agreeing with the Cabal in any way, he'll be accused of "selling out" the people and then we'll have to wait for another savior and so on and so on.

Giano is the "People's Arbitrator" but he could quickly become the "People's Arbitraitor."

Don't cry for me, Wikipedia.

Giano is the "People's Arbitrator" but he could quickly become the "People's Arbitraitor."

That's actually the norm. Though we of course hope better for Giano,

Assuming he isn't soon to-be muzzled, handcuffed and waterboarded after a short plane trip to Afghanistan.

Juan Peron (and Evita) campaigned on bringing power to the people, and when Juan stepped down and Evita was dead, much of the national treasury was in numbered bank accounts in Switzerland.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Fri 30th November 2007, 3:26am

I like Giano and hope he can change or influence things, but I think WP is so deep in poo-poo that even he can not hope to clean out the Augean Stables in three years (if he survives for three years).

Mr. Smith went to Washington and changed a few things. Who knows? Maybe Giano will do same.

Jimbo's been doing a lot of things by fiat lately. He's made it clear he does not like Giano and over his dead body will he allow Giano on the ArbCom. I wonder if Jimbo even encouraged the ArbCom to add him as a party to the Durova RFAR in the hopes of at least discrediting him.

The role of being an arbitrator is defined by the system. Reformer or not, he will not be allowed to make overly radical decisions that others and us would like. WP is like Iran. It has its politicians but the politicians can only be as radical as the Supreme Ayatollah will allow. There is no people power.

It would be stupid of Jimbo to discount the results and appoint out of the list who he wants. But Jimbo's disappointed us and WP before with his by fiat decisions and I believe he will simply say to those who disagree that they can either accept his decision or shove it. Accept it or leave. And many will leave. But it will not deter Jimbo.

Now I have to go hide with Salman Rushdie for my Ayatollah comment.

I wonder if Jimbo even encouraged the ArbCom to add him as a party to the Durova RFAR in the hopes of at least discrediting him.

Well, duh.

The role of being an arbitrator is defined by the system. Reformer or not, he will not be allowed to make overly radical decisions that others and us would like. WP is like Iran. It has its politicians but the politicians can only be as radical as the Supreme Ayatollah will allow. There is no people power.

Iran is actually the most active democracy in the Middle East (and admired by most ME peoples as such), though the results don't jive with U.S. policy so well.

I would call Wikipedia a constitutional monarchy, because it has the king, with an active parliament, and a reasonable legall or rule structure, but it isn't even close.

Wikipedia is a lot more like Pakistan, which dissolved Parliament about 6 years ago, when it bugged the head guy, and recently jettisoned the Supreme Court (which didn't fly) but now has martial law installed, as from three weeks ago - because it seemed things weren't going the chiefs way.

It would be stupid of Jimbo to discount the results and appoint out of the list who he wants.

That never stopped him before.

Now I have to go hide with Salman Rushdie for my Ayatollah comment.

No, that's only if you bought a Durova for Arbcom teddy bear, and named it after the founder of Islam.