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michael
post Wed 5th December 2007, 10:46pm
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There's currently a request at WP:RFAR to review Moulton's indefinite block. I'm a bit confuzzled. No arb has yet voted on whether to accept it or not, and I know they're active - the Episodes and characters RFAR just went from evidence fo voting. Will he win a reprieve like Ferrylodge? Or will he be sunk like Iantresman?
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post Thu 6th December 2007, 6:35am
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Well, the arbitrators are starting to reject it, pretty much saying "no, it doesn't matter if the RfC was unfair".

I don't get all the "Moulton thinks Wikipedia is online journalism" stuff. The verifiability policy is pretty clear; demanding that things be verifiable is the way in which Wikipedia should try to get at the truth. From where did the strange idea here come, that trying to publish true information is bad?
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post Thu 6th December 2007, 2:08pm
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QUOTE(Amarkov @ Thu 6th December 2007, 1:35am) *
Well, the arbitrators are starting to reject it, pretty much saying "no, it doesn't matter if the RfC was unfair".

Note how this ties into the Durova case, because, while my RfAr focuses attention on the rigors of diligent and conscientious due process for all, the respondents are simply saying, "It doesn't matter that we routinely short-circuit due process, we desperately wanted this guy banned and that's the desired and essential bottom line of this RfAr."

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I don't get all the "Moulton thinks Wikipedia is online journalism" stuff. The verifiability policy is pretty clear; demanding that things be verifiable is the way in which Wikipedia should try to get at the truth. From where did the strange idea here come, that trying to publish true information is bad?

To my mind, that's a key question for ArbCom to address. I clearly stated my primary objective in the RfC as "achieving a respectable level of accuracy, excellence, and ethics in online media, especially when the subject at hand is an identifiable living person." The adversarial editors had to dance around their reasons for rejecting that sincere and good faith objective of mine.

Essentially they are saying that I failed to discover an effective way to achieve that goal within the rules and constraints of the Wikipedia system, as they administer them.

Which is true.

One possibility is that it's simply infeasible to achieve that goal within the operable constraints of the system.

QUOTE(CNN News Story)
Even those who spot errors in their own profiles can be reluctant to address them. In April this year, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and academic Douglas Hofstadter told the New York Times of his Wikipedia entry, "[it] is filled with inaccuracies, and it kind of depresses me." When asked why he didn't fix it, he replied, "The next day someone will fix it back."

If Hofstadter's prescient analysis is right, it would confirm that my expressly stated objective is infeasible.

With respect to my request to ArbCom for a review of the formulaic script that short-circuits the rigors of due process, Kirill opines:

QUOTE(Kirill 03:52 @ 6 December 2007 (UTC))
Nothing here that indicates potential for improved behavior.


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michael   Moulton arbitration request   Wed 5th December 2007, 10:46pm
The Joy   I think ArbCom has entered its lame duck period an...   Wed 5th December 2007, 10:48pm
Moulton   KillerChihuahua hasn't responded to the RfC ye...   Wed 5th December 2007, 11:40pm
Jonny Cache   From where did the strange idea here come, that t...   Thu 6th December 2007, 12:48pm
Poetlister   It's a subtle dig at Wikinews, which does purp...   Thu 6th December 2007, 12:43pm
GlassBeadGame   Krill's edit declining Arbitration is telling....   Thu 6th December 2007, 3:13pm
Moulton   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wik...   Thu 6th December 2007, 3:48pm
AB   From the statement by MastCell (diff, minor amendm...   Thu 6th December 2007, 4:19pm
Moulton   [quote name='AB' post='64512' date='Thu 6th Decemb...   Thu 6th December 2007, 4:29pm
Moulton   The questions I have placed on ArbCom's table ...   Thu 6th December 2007, 4:50pm
Moulton   Josh Gordon evidently believes there are already w...   Thu 6th December 2007, 10:02pm
Jonny Cache   Josh Gordon evidently believes there are already ...   Thu 6th December 2007, 10:18pm
Moulton   Sorry. Didn't mean to upstage you. There...   Thu 6th December 2007, 10:25pm
Jonny Cache   Sorry. Didn't mean to upstage you. There...   Thu 6th December 2007, 10:30pm
AB   Have you considered asking for the right to vanish...   Thu 6th December 2007, 10:29pm
Moulton   Have you considered asking for the right to vanish...   Thu 6th December 2007, 10:42pm
AB   Have you considered asking for the right to vanis...   Thu 6th December 2007, 10:49pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Moulton' post='64586' date='Thu 6th...   Fri 7th December 2007, 1:06pm
Moulton   Do you remember that famous Bob & Ray Komodo D...   Thu 6th December 2007, 11:02pm
Cedric   Do you remember that famous Bob & Ray Komodo ...   Fri 7th December 2007, 10:47am
Moulton   Speaking of a lack of listening skills, have you e...   Fri 7th December 2007, 11:38am
Moulton   Alas, I'm not dealing with children, who are g...   Fri 7th December 2007, 3:27pm
Jonny Cache   Alas, I'm not dealing with children, who are ...   Fri 7th December 2007, 3:50pm
Moulton   Wikipediot is a social experiment that has shown u...   Fri 7th December 2007, 4:01pm
Jonny Cache   Wikipediot is a social experiment that has shown...   Fri 7th December 2007, 4:06pm
Moulton   It's also about reading the reports of other o...   Fri 7th December 2007, 4:29pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='64776' date='Fri ...   Fri 7th December 2007, 4:40pm
Somey   We used to have an active participant, Nobs, who h...   Fri 7th December 2007, 5:13pm
Moulton   You mean I am not sui generis? I am so chagrined.   Fri 7th December 2007, 4:43pm
Moulton   Can you summarize his concept of "ideological...   Fri 7th December 2007, 5:19pm
Somey   Can you summarize his concept of "ideological...   Fri 7th December 2007, 6:54pm
nobs   [quote name='Moulton' post='64800' date='Fri 7th ...   Sat 8th December 2007, 6:34pm
Jonny Cache   No, I wasn't comparing Moulton to Nobs in that...   Fri 7th December 2007, 5:36pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Now's not the ideal time to go to Arbcom. Fr...   Fri 7th December 2007, 5:38pm
Moulton   Inside the Prankster's Studio One of the feat...   Fri 7th December 2007, 6:11pm
Moulton   Hrmmm. Those are political ideologies and/or hist...   Fri 7th December 2007, 7:03pm
Moulton   It appears that the requirement to abide by WP pol...   Sat 8th December 2007, 4:40pm
Cynick   There's currently a request at [wp]WP:RFAR to...   Fri 11th April 2008, 12:17am
Proabivouac   [quote name='michael' post='64397' date='Wed 5th ...   Fri 11th April 2008, 12:23am
Cynick   [quote name='Cynick' post='91757' date='Fri 11th ...   Sat 12th April 2008, 3:58pm
Moulton   Iantresman was community banned and is seeking to ...   Fri 11th April 2008, 1:10am
The Joy   Iantresman was community banned and is seeking to...   Fri 11th April 2008, 2:31am
Moulton   As I understand it, a community ban requires a com...   Fri 11th April 2008, 3:00am
Proabivouac   In other words, the members of the Wikipedia Proj...   Fri 11th April 2008, 4:10am
dtobias   The reasons to justify a block/ban tend to be like...   Fri 11th April 2008, 3:43am
KamrynMatika   The reasons to justify a block/ban tend to be lik...   Fri 11th April 2008, 3:50am
Milton Roe   The reasons to justify a block/ban tend to be lik...   Fri 11th April 2008, 5:37am
Moulton   Is there a concise summary of what happened in tha...   Fri 11th April 2008, 4:36am
Proabivouac   Is there a concise summary of what happened in th...   Fri 11th April 2008, 4:45am
the fieryangel   [quote name='Moulton' post='91793' date='Fri 11th...   Fri 11th April 2008, 8:11am
Moulton   Thank you. I see this commentary from the ArbCom ...   Fri 11th April 2008, 5:05am
Kato   It is inevitable that Wikipedia is going to be edi...   Fri 11th April 2008, 5:25am
Moulton   Again, we see the damage done by editors who are n...   Fri 11th April 2008, 12:44pm
thekohser   He must have attended the Guy Chapman School of ...   Fri 11th April 2008, 7:53pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Moulton' post='91845' date='Fri 11th ...   Fri 11th April 2008, 8:23pm
Moulton   Now take a look at the entirety of that otherwise ...   Fri 11th April 2008, 8:18pm
Cedric   Now take a look at the entirety of that otherwise...   Sat 12th April 2008, 4:19pm
Moulton   The issue is further muddled by the observation th...   Fri 11th April 2008, 8:30pm
Moulton   I don't have time to go look this up, so I...   Sat 12th April 2008, 4:10pm
Moulton   Given that those initial 100 scientists and academ...   Sat 12th April 2008, 11:14pm


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