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| Jonny Cache |
Fri 7th December 2007, 3:50pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 7th December 2007, 11:27am)  Alas, I'm not dealing with children, who are generally full of hope for tomorrow.
I'm dealing with woe-filled characters who despair of any likelihood of future improvement.
Wikipedia is not the only play, not the only game in town. Those of us who see hope for the future see it Elsewhere! Let me try another analogy. Back in the days when Pharmaceutical Companies did far more controlled clinical trials and far less experimenting on the public at large, I used to work with data that derived from those types of clinical trials. There are protocols that some people call Stopping Rules — the language is various — and some types of Stopping Rules determine when you have learned enough about the effects of drugs under test that you need to halt the study and report the findings, in part to forestall the risk that people in your test groups and people in the general population are suffering needlessly. Wikipediot is a social experiment that has shown us all we need to know in order to write up the results. Wikipedia is well past its Stopping Rules, and it needs to be stopped before any more damage is done. The only reason that WikiPharmaceuticals, Inc. continues this WikiPharce of an experiment on the public at large is because continuing to do so lines it own WikiPocketses. Jon Awbrey This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Fri 7th December 2007, 3:58pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 7th December 2007, 12:01pm)  QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Fri 7th December 2007, 10:50am)  Wikipediot is a social experiment that has shown us all we need to know in order to write up the results.
Yes. I've done that. But science is about independent replication of findings. As you know, I am currently running a follow-up experiment to make sure my original findings were not a one-off fluke. And then I need to learn how to map such scientific research into a well-crafted story for public consumption. It's also about reading the reports of other observers. There is no need to personally replicate every experiment yourself. Banging your head on the Wall once or twice may be an experiment, after that the Head Doctors call it repetition compulsion. Jon Awbrey This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Fri 7th December 2007, 4:32pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 7th December 2007, 12:29pm)  QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Fri 7th December 2007, 11:06am)  It's also about reading the reports of other observers.
I read the report of Douglas Hofstadter, and also the anonymous reporter who supplied additional evidence of the pattern I encountered. There is, believe it or else, a vast amount of re*peated experience re*ported in the pages of this Re*view. Indeed, one of the reasons that I find your "experimental drama" so re*dundant is that I have seen it all before, in ♠. We used to have an active participant, Nobs, who had the same White Wales obsession with ArbCom. The local mods had to give him his own subforum just to keep it all in one circus ring. I don't know what happened to that subforum — if it was still there I would assign it to you for required reading, just to return the favour. Jon Awbrey This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Fri 7th December 2007, 4:44pm
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