Crum vs Giano, general brouhaha Options

"If you persist you vill be blocked!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II#WP:POINT

I've known Crum and Ms. SV to disagree. It is
quite unlikely that they are the same person.

This post has been edited by AB: Mon 10th December 2007, 1:33am

I think there might have been a slip up here. Look at the history of the Brown Dog article above and compare SlimVirgin and Crum's contribs. SlimVirgin edited the article up to 22:18. She stopped editing, then Crum edited it at 22:39 (having edited nothing since 22:16). Slim then came in 1 minute later at 22:40 and carried on until 22:46- then 1 minute later Crum came in and made one edit at 22:47 and edited nothing else till 01:00 (during which time SlimVirgin was constantly editing).

I think there might have been a slip up here. Look at the history of the Brown Dog article above and compare SlimVirgin and Crum's contribs. SlimVirgin edited the article up to 22:18. She stopped editing, then Crum edited it at 22:39 (having edited nothing since 22:16). Slim then came in 1 minute later at 22:40 and carried on until 22:46- then 1 minute later Crum came in and made one edit at 22:47 and edited nothing else till 01:00 (EDIT: during which time SlimVirgin was constantly editing).

I don't think this is meat puppeting or coordinated edits. Are they coordinating so Crum makes 1 edit 1 minute before and 1 minute after a string of edits by SlimVirgin? Those sequence of edits above are highly indicative that Crum375 is not a separate person to SlimVirgin. She is likely using two browsers for each account which will be able to be picked up by checkuser unless she is using a proxy on one browser or something more sophisticated.

I don't think this is meat puppeting or coordinated edits. Are they coordinating so Crum makes 1 edit 1 minute before and 1 minute after a string of edits by SlimVirgin? Those sequence of edits above are highly indicative that Crum375 is not a separate person to SlimVirgin. She is likely using two browsers for each account which will be able to be picked up by checkuser unless she is using a proxy on one browser or something more sophisticated.

Of course, it would be very easy for her to do that.

Problem is (for her) that if you want to dig, proxies can be discovered and traced. You just need a few extra tools, time and patience to look at the peering relationships and netnames in addition to the IP.

This is deeper than CUs ever go, as far as I know. Though it might have been part of Durova's "secret weapon" which anyone knows is not secret at all.

Personally, I'm in the Crum-is-Slim camp.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Mon 10th December 2007, 11:38am

I don't think this is meat puppeting or coordinated edits. Are they coordinating so Crum makes 1 edit 1 minute before and 1 minute after a string of edits by SlimVirgin? Those sequence of edits above are highly indicative that Crum375 is not a separate person to SlimVirgin. She is likely using two browsers for each account which will be able to be picked up by checkuser unless she is using a proxy on one browser or something more sophisticated.

Of course, it would be very easy for her to do that.

Problem is (for her) that if you want to dig, proxies can be discovered and traced. You just need a few extra tools, time and patience to look at the peering relationships and netnames in addition to the IP.

This is deeper than CUs ever go, as far as I know. Though it might have been part of Durova's "secret weapon" which anyone knows is not secret at all.

Personally, I'm in the Crum-is-Slim camp.

As far as posting in separate browsers (or tabs), check out SV's message to David Shankbone the other day, less than a minute after her post on another page. She then realized the message to DS was on the wrong part of the page.