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And expected fundraising revenue appears to be only in the $1.4 million to maybe $2.4 million range (if all of Sue Gardner's "mystery donors" from Corporation Land actually come through).


Donations hit a new low yesterday, but they seem to be way up so far today. The story doesn't seem to have affected much if anything. With Jimbo's pledge to personally reimburse any stolen money, it might even wind up being a positive.

Over a million dollars in donations to an organization who hasn't even released their overdue financial statements for the last year, because the audit is taking months to complete, which was run that year by an alleged alcoholic felon thief. If that's not an argument that people don't act in their own rational self-interest, I don't know what is. If Jimbo really is an Objectivist, he should be as disgusted by this as I am. Altruism is evil, right?
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The obituary notice for Sean Doran does not reference any surviving relative by that name.

Do they list every possible relative? She could be his cousin, even his second cousin.
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The obituary notice for Sean Doran does not reference any surviving relative by that name.

Do they list every possible relative? She could be his cousin, even his second cousin.


Only through marriage, if having the same last name is anything more than a coincidence.
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Inserted for the record: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Willmcw and SlimVirgin (renamed RfArb/Rangerdude by SlimVirgin,)

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Katefan0 Rangerdude bullies Katefan0 in their editing disagreements, such as in Talk:Jim Robinson and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jim Robinson. [40] [41] [42]
The timeline of Foundation action just days after remedies were implemented from the Rangerdude (i.e. RfArb/Willmcw & SlimVirgin) and Nobs01 cases were implemented will require further reasearch to gain context.

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Inserted for the record: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Willmcw and SlimVirgin (renamed RfArb/Rangerdude by SlimVirgin,)

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Katefan0 Rangerdude bullies Katefan0 in their editing disagreements, such as in Talk:Jim Robinson and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jim Robinson. [40] [41] [42]
The timeline of Foundation action just days after remedies were implemented from the Rangerdude (i.e. RfArb/Willmcw & SlimVirgin) and Nobs01 cases were implemented will require further reasearch to gain context.


Maybe I'm missing something, but what does this have to do with Carolyn Doran?

This is not a rhetorical question: I don't see the connection. Could you explain further?
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This is really weird:

Carolyn Doran starts work for WMF in September of 2006 as a temp. "bookkeeper". She becomes COO in January of 2007...and then moves to Florida in March 2007 (according to her user page) to be "closer to WMF offices". (see the timeline for diffs of all of these things).

So, the big question is this:

Where has she been working from September 2006 to March 2007?

So, not only did they place the girl from the temp. agency in the position of COO, but at the time they gave her the title, she's not even working in the same place that they are?

Am I misunderstanding something here, or is this what all of this implies???

I simply cannot believe that this could be true...but that's what the evidence suggests...


My mistake, false alarm. She did move to Florida in March 2006 according to her user page.

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This is really weird:

Carolyn Doran starts work for WMF in September of 2006 as a temp. "bookkeeper". She becomes COO in January of 2007...and then moves to Florida in March 2007 (according to her user page) to be "closer to WMF offices". (see the timeline for diffs of all of these things).

So, the big question is this: Where has she been working from September 2006 to March 2007?

So, not only did they place the girl from the temp. agency in the position of COO, but at the time they gave her the title, she's not even working in the same place that they are? Am I misunderstanding something here, or is this what all of this implies???I simply cannot believe that this could be true...but that's what the evidence suggests...


I'm not bothered much by anyone home-commuting, even if Cary Bass did, its not that big of a deal, for a while. But what I find strange is that they would outsource a bookkeeper from Virginia, as a temp. That's weird. What made her so special that she should have been outsourced at so much bother? There's lots of bookkeepers everywhere. Why her? Especially since she turned out to have such a checkered past. That might be explained away, but then why did they pick her in the first place?

I need to hear something like, "we worked with her in the Electronic Frontier Foundation" or even "she used to be in my Ayn Rand chatgroup, and I thought she'd be ok to work with" or some good reason why they hired someone to work remotely for such a low level position........ who then got auto promoted to COO.

I'm not so hot on the spy stuff as others - I just need a reason why you would outsource a bookkeeper from Virgina, to work remotely, when you are in St. Petersburg Florida. wacko.gif wacko.gif wacko.gif


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Her user page says she moved to Florida from D.C. in March of 2006.

On May 22, 2006, she solicited a bid to ship her Tuscan dining room chairs from Herndon VA to St. Petersburg FL.

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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 9:42pm) *

This is really weird:

Carolyn Doran starts work for WMF in September of 2006 as a temp. "bookkeeper". She becomes COO in January of 2007...and then moves to Florida in March 2007 (according to her user page) to be "closer to WMF offices". (see the timeline for diffs of all of these things).


Huh? Her user page on en.wikipedia said March 2006.
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QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 16th December 2007, 10:58pm) *

QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 3:42pm) *

This is really weird:

Carolyn Doran starts work for WMF in September of 2006 as a temp. "bookkeeper". She becomes COO in January of 2007...and then moves to Florida in March 2007 (according to her user page) to be "closer to WMF offices". (see the timeline for diffs of all of these things).

So, the big question is this: Where has she been working from September 2006 to March 2007?

So, not only did they place the girl from the temp. agency in the position of COO, but at the time they gave her the title, she's not even working in the same place that they are? Am I misunderstanding something here, or is this what all of this implies???I simply cannot believe that this could be true...but that's what the evidence suggests...


I'm not bothered much by anyone home-commuting, even if Cary Bass did, its not that big of a deal, for a while. But what I find strange is that they would outsource a bookkeeper from Virginia, as a temp. That's weird. What made her so special that she should have been outsourced at so much bother? There's lots of bookkeepers everywhere. Why her? Especially since she turned out to have such a checkered past. That might be explained away, but then why did they pick her in the first place?

I need to hear something like, "we worked with her in the Electronic Frontier Foundation" or even "she used to be in my Ayn Rand chatgroup, and I thought she'd be ok to work with" or some good reason why they hired someone to work remotely for such a low level position........ who then got auto promoted to COO.

I'm not so hot on the spy stuff as others - I just need a reason why you would outsource a bookkeeper from Virgina, to work remotely, when you are in St. Petersburg Florida. wacko.gif wacko.gif wacko.gif


It's one thing to hire a temp bookkeeper from Virginia to do "account received" type stuff from her home. That's not a problem.

But they name her COO four months after she starts home commuting as a temp and they haven't even worked in the same office as her???

What is going on here??

I mean, COO is a pretty important title. It means that you have quite a bit of responsibility, especially in a not-for-profit. If this had been a "for profit" job, I would just say "you hire cheap help etc...."....but this is a charity and they're hiring somebody as COO that they don't even see on a daily basis?

This is just sheer incompetence on a huge scale, if it's true. The evidence suggests that it is. If it's not, then somebody please point us towards diffs which prove the contrary. The diffs we have suggest that this is what happened.

This is truly mind boggling. How can people actually give money to this mess???


I read that wrong. She did move to Florida in March 2006. This has been corrected in the Timeline too.

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This is really weird:

Carolyn Doran starts work for WMF in September of 2006 as a temp. "bookkeeper". She becomes COO in January of 2007...and then moves to Florida in March 2007 (according to her user page) to be "closer to WMF offices". (see the timeline for diffs of all of these things).

So, the big question is this: Where has she been working from September 2006 to March 2007?

So, not only did they place the girl from the temp. agency in the position of COO, but at the time they gave her the title, she's not even working in the same place that they are? Am I misunderstanding something here, or is this what all of this implies???I simply cannot believe that this could be true...but that's what the evidence suggests...


I'm not bothered much by anyone home-commuting, even if Cary Bass did, its not that big of a deal, for a while. But what I find strange is that they would outsource a bookkeeper from Virginia, as a temp. That's weird. What made her so special that she should have been outsourced at so much bother? There's lots of bookkeepers everywhere. Why her? Especially since she turned out to have such a checkered past. That might be explained away, but then why did they pick her in the first place?

I need to hear something like, "we worked with her in the Electronic Frontier Foundation" or even "she used to be in my Ayn Rand chatgroup, and I thought she'd be ok to work with" or some good reason why they hired someone to work remotely for such a low level position........ who then got auto promoted to COO.

I'm not so hot on the spy stuff as others - I just need a reason why you would outsource a bookkeeper from Virgina, to work remotely, when you are in St. Petersburg Florida. wacko.gif wacko.gif wacko.gif


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Maybe this girl has hidden assets that only someone with a keen eye (like JzG) could feel see.
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 2:14pm) *
QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 10:01pm) *
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 14th December 2007, 2:26pm) *
Inserted for the record: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Willmcw and SlimVirgin (renamed RfArb/Rangerdude by SlimVirgin,)

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Katefan0 Rangerdude bullies Katefan0 in their editing disagreements, such as in Talk:Jim Robinson and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jim Robinson. [40] [41] [42]
The timeline of Foundation action just days after remedies were implemented from the Rangerdude (i.e. RfArb/Willmcw & SlimVirgin) and Nobs01 cases were implemented will require further reasearch to gain context.


Maybe I'm missing something, but what does this have to do with Carolyn Doran?

This is not a rhetorical question: I don't see the connection. Could you explain further?
The "passage of this controversial article" reads in part:
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Free Republic has been criticized for the frequent actions of some members consisting of threats against former President Clinton, and against the owners of a restaurant who notified authorities when an underage [[Jenna Bush]] attempted to illegally purchase liquor at the establishment. These posts were removed by the site's sysop, Jim Robinson, when they were brought to his attention. He insists that the site has had to "delete relatively few posts" over time for violations of its "no violence" policy despite Free Republic's popularity and ease of registration.
Some of this relates to BLP (which WP evidently has styled somewhat after longstanding FR policy), but some of it relates to the effort to delete the biographical entry on the Free Republic's founder, [[Jim Robinson]]. Katefan0, who was instrumental in denying Jim Robinsdon's notability, was no longer active to remove the reference to Robinson, so it looks like Carolyn Doran did it instead.
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QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 11:27pm) *

QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 2:14pm) *
QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 10:01pm) *
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 14th December 2007, 2:26pm) *
Inserted for the record: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Willmcw and SlimVirgin (renamed RfArb/Rangerdude by SlimVirgin,)

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Katefan0 Rangerdude bullies Katefan0 in their editing disagreements, such as in Talk:Jim Robinson and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jim Robinson. [40] [41] [42]
The timeline of Foundation action just days after remedies were implemented from the Rangerdude (i.e. RfArb/Willmcw & SlimVirgin) and Nobs01 cases were implemented will require further reasearch to gain context.


Maybe I'm missing something, but what does this have to do with Carolyn Doran?

This is not a rhetorical question: I don't see the connection. Could you explain further?
The "passage of this controversial article" reads in part:
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Free Republic has been criticized for the frequent actions of some members consisting of threats against former President Clinton, and against the owners of a restaurant who notified authorities when an underage [[Jenna Bush]] attempted to illegally purchase liquor at the establishment. These posts were removed by the site's sysop, Jim Robinson, when they were brought to his attention. He insists that the site has had to "delete relatively few posts" over time for violations of its "no violence" policy despite Free Republic's popularity and ease of registration.
Some of this relates to BLP (which WP evidently has styled somewhat after longstanding FR policy), but some of it relates to the effort to delete the biographical entry on the Free Republic's founder, [[Jim Robinson]]. Katefan0, who was instrumental in denying Jim Robinsdon's notability, was no longer active to remove the reference to Robinson, so it looks like Carolyn Doran did it instead.


Okay, now I get it. Can you rewrite that as a "timeline entry", with a date, providing diffs? This could be important.


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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 3:29pm) *

QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 11:27pm) *

QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 2:14pm) *
QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 10:01pm) *
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 14th December 2007, 2:26pm) *
Inserted for the record: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Willmcw and SlimVirgin (renamed RfArb/Rangerdude by SlimVirgin,)

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Katefan0 Rangerdude bullies Katefan0 in their editing disagreements, such as in Talk:Jim Robinson and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jim Robinson. [40] [41] [42]
The timeline of Foundation action just days after remedies were implemented from the Rangerdude (i.e. RfArb/Willmcw & SlimVirgin) and Nobs01 cases were implemented will require further reasearch to gain context.


Maybe I'm missing something, but what does this have to do with Carolyn Doran?

This is not a rhetorical question: I don't see the connection. Could you explain further?
The "passage of this controversial article" reads in part:
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Free Republic has been criticized for the frequent actions of some members consisting of threats against former President Clinton, and against the owners of a restaurant who notified authorities when an underage [[Jenna Bush]] attempted to illegally purchase liquor at the establishment. These posts were removed by the site's sysop, Jim Robinson, when they were brought to his attention. He insists that the site has had to "delete relatively few posts" over time for violations of its "no violence" policy despite Free Republic's popularity and ease of registration.
Some of this relates to BLP (which WP evidently has styled somewhat after longstanding FR policy), but some of it relates to the effort to delete the biographical entry on the Free Republic's founder, [[Jim Robinson]]. Katefan0, who was instrumental in denying Jim Robinsdon's notability, was no longer active to remove the reference to Robinson, so it looks like Carolyn Doran did it instead.


Okay, now I get it. Can you rewrite that as a "timeline entry", with a date, providing diffs? This could be important.
It will take a little more looking into, as I certainly do not wish to begin researching with conclusions already in mind. On the face of it, it appears to fit the pattern of the Wikimedia Foundation's lust for information management and control, in this case, not wishing to make Jim Robinson "notable," or "reputable." And the passage deleted refers to Robinson's heroic effort to do what Wikipedia often refuses to do, be fair to a living person and do no harm.
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QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 3:29pm) *

QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 11:27pm) *

QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 16th December 2007, 2:14pm) *
QUOTE(nobs @ Sun 16th December 2007, 10:01pm) *
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 14th December 2007, 2:26pm) *
Inserted for the record: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Willmcw and SlimVirgin (renamed RfArb/Rangerdude by SlimVirgin,)

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Katefan0 Rangerdude bullies Katefan0 in their editing disagreements, such as in Talk:Jim Robinson and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jim Robinson. [40] [41] [42]
The timeline of Foundation action just days after remedies were implemented from the Rangerdude (i.e. RfArb/Willmcw & SlimVirgin) and Nobs01 cases were implemented will require further reasearch to gain context.


Maybe I'm missing something, but what does this have to do with Carolyn Doran?

This is not a rhetorical question: I don't see the connection. Could you explain further?
The "passage of this controversial article" reads in part:
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Free Republic has been criticized for the frequent actions of some members consisting of threats against former President Clinton, and against the owners of a restaurant who notified authorities when an underage [[Jenna Bush]] attempted to illegally purchase liquor at the establishment. These posts were removed by the site's sysop, Jim Robinson, when they were brought to his attention. He insists that the site has had to "delete relatively few posts" over time for violations of its "no violence" policy despite Free Republic's popularity and ease of registration.
Some of this relates to BLP (which WP evidently has styled somewhat after longstanding FR policy), but some of it relates to the effort to delete the biographical entry on the Free Republic's founder, [[Jim Robinson]]. Katefan0, who was instrumental in denying Jim Robinsdon's notability, was no longer active to remove the reference to Robinson, so it looks like Carolyn Doran did it instead.


Okay, now I get it. Can you rewrite that as a "timeline entry", with a date, providing diffs? This could be important.
It will take a little more looking into, as I certainly do not wish to begin researching with conclusions already in mind. On the face of it, it appears to fit the pattern of the Wikimedia Foundation's lust for information management and control, in this case, not wishing to make Jim Robinson "notable," or "reputable." And the passage deleted refers to Robinson's heroic effort to do what Wikipedia often refuses to do, be fair to a living person and do no harm.


Yes, I understand. But I don't have your expertize on the subject and can't synthesize this enough to make a timeline entry. We don't need this RIGHT NOW, but I think that this is important enough to be inserted into the timeline of events.

Could you think about this and perhaps make a few entries that I could add to our timeline, which would be of interest to those researching this subject? I think that you're on to something, except that I don't feel competent enough to make these entries myself.
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Thanks! I've added those into the time line.
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A Timeline of events relating to Carolyn Doran, former COO of the Wikimedia Foundation:


20 Feb 1990 ¤ The Washington Post reports on Carolyn Bothwell (Doran)'s "unlawful shooting incident" with her boyfriend, to which she pleaded guilty

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A Herndon woman pleaded guilty yesterday in Fairfax Circuit Court to unlawful wounding of her boyfriend, who was shot once in the chest Aug. 25.

Carolyn Bothwell, 27, of the 1100 block of Player Way, said she entered the plea after the prosecution offered to recommend probation. She said she did not want to risk losing custody of her 3-year-old son.

Bothwell's attorney, Gerald Bruce Lee, said in court that if the case had gone to trial, the defense had planned to ...


15 Sep 1995 ¤ The Washington Post runs an article about Carolyn Doran (née Bothwell)'s former roommate and testimony that she gave after her roommate's husband's death

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A former roommate of Betancourt's, Sterling resident Carolyn Bothwell, testified yesterday that Betancourt told her in July 1994 that Montague "won't be around in September to worry about."

Betancourt's attorney, Gregory Harris, suggested that his client meant that she would be breaking off her relationship with Montague, not that "Cassie was going to do him in."

The tapes were recorded at the home of Bothwell, who is a neighbor of Montague's daughter, Janet Hall. Betancourt lived with Bothwell for three months in the spring of 1994.

Bothwell testified that she bought a recording device and put it on her telephone to capture threatening phone calls from her former common-law husband. She said Betancourt was with her when she bought the device. Bothwell said she gave the tapes to investigators after she found out about Montague's death.

Harris suggested that Bothwell, who has a pending credit card forgery case in Loudoun , was trying to curry favor with prosecutors with her testimony. Bothwell denied that. "I had enough to lose coming up here," she said. "I had nothing to gain." TheCustomOfLife 05:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


The court transcript for this case is here.

An except from the proceedings :

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Carolyn Bothwell, a friend of Hall's, assisted the police
investigation by wearing a concealed recording device on six
different occasions in a futile attempt to obtain incriminating
statements from appellant. Bothwell testified that she, already
a convicted felon, was the target of a felony prosecution in
Loudoun County at the time of appellant's trial
but that her case
had been continued. She further testified that she had reached
no agreement with the Loudoun County prosecutor's office
regarding the effect her cooperation in appellant's case might
have on her own prosecution.


04 Nov 1999 ¤ Sean H. Doran dies in Caïman Islands on his honeymoon with his recently married wife Carolyn Bothwell

?? Mar 2006 ¤ Carolyn Doran moves from Washington D. C. to Saint Petersberg Florida to be closer to the WMF offices

22 May, 2006 ¤ Seand59 (Carolyn Doran's first WP account name, see below) solicited a bid to ship her Tuscan dining room chairs from Herndon VA to St. Petersburg FL.


?? Sep 2006 ¤ Carolyn Doran begins work as "bookkeeper" at the WMF Florida offices.

02 Oct 2006 ¤ Information about adding an office assistant from a "temporary agency" is added to the WMF current staff article.

20 Nov 2006 ¤ Brad Patrick adds Carolyn Doran's name to the WMF staff page as "book keeper in the Florida office (since September 2006)

5 Dec 2006 ¤ The account Seand59 is established. User:Seand59 makes their first edit, removing contact information to the European Agency for Safety and Health<==This information is now attached to the account of User:Carolyn-WMF per Danny Wool's 15 Jan 2007 account rename.

8 Dec 2006 ¤ Carolyn Doran's is added to the WMF foundation article in Wikipedia as "bookkeeper".

09 Jan 2007 ¤ Carolyn Doran adds summaries of WMF Income summary (PDF) and WMF expense summary (PDF)

15 Jan 2007 ¤ As Seand59, Carolyn Doran removes her title of "bookkeeper" from the Wikimedia Foundation article in Wikipedia Again as User:Seand59, She edits the Free Republic article, taking out a long passage of this contraversial article. The account was then blocked by User:Prodego for "impersonating WMF staff.
Danny moves the Username Seand59 to User.Carolyn-WMF

24 Jan 2007 ¤ WMF board resolution naming Carolyn Doran COO

27 Jan 2007 ¤ Florence Devouart publicly presents Carolyn Doran as COO and gives some information about her position.

02 Feb 2007 ¤ Essjay posts he provided all his real life information to Jimbo Wales and Angela Beasley, and then the same information to Brad Patrick but does not say when this occurred.

03 Feb 2007 ¤ Florence Devouard makes a Foundation Annoucement that Brad Patrick would be resuming his role as General Counsel exclusively after serving as Interim Executive Director and to now "focus on developing the role of General Counsel, and addressing a backlog of complex legal questions the Foundation faces moving forward."

22 Feb 2007 ¤ Danny Wool adds Carolyn Doran's photo to the WMF staff page.

27 Feb 2007 ¤ Carolyn Doran removes Brad Patrick's two lead paragraphs in the WMF staff page and put him in the regular "staff section" with only two lines and no photo.

20 Mar 2007 ¤ Former trusty side-kick Danny Wool removed his name from the list of current WMF staff.

22 Mar 2007 ¤ Former GC Brad Patrick announced his resignation.

23 Mar 2007 ¤ Here is the WMF's most recent Form-990, which every 501c must file with the IRS (which is the least they can do since they don't pay taxes). Go to page 8, where you'll see that Carolyn Doran signed it on behalf of the WMF on 3/23/07.

20 May 2007 ¤ Carolyn Doran arrested for 3rd offense of DUI.

1-3 Jun 2007 ¤ Carolyn Doran attends a WMF board meeting in Amsterdam. Sue Gardner and Mike Godwin are also in attendence Upon her return, Carolyn Doran is stopped by US Immigration services because her travel is in violation of her parole for the 3rd DUI offense.

12 Jun 2007 ¤ The Wikimedia Foundation passes a new audit charter.

04 Jul 2007 ¤ The WMF board hires Sue Gardner as "management consultant". The boards passes another resolution on Carolyn Doren, presumably terminating her employment

10 Aug 2007 ¤ Carolyn Doran arrested for 4th DUI and hit and run

14 Sep, 2007 ¤ Florence Devouard confirms that Carolyn Doran has left WMF, but that WMF cannot discuss the matter because they have signed a non-disclosure agreement. Carolyn Doran is free to discuss this, however

17 Sep 2007 ¤ WMF foundations audit begins, according to Florence Devouard.

19 Nov 2007 ¤ Florence Devouard announces publicly that the audit is not completed, "but will be by the end of the calender year (hopefully".

14 Dec 2007 ¤ Jimbo Wales announces that if any money is missing after the audit, he will pay for it out of his own pocket.

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:::I will go even further. If the audit uncovers any evidence of theft, I will personally donate out of my own pocket to cover whatever is missing. I feel pretty confident doing that even though the audit is still underway.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 21:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


Jimbo Wales then sums up his view of the incident:

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Later that day, Florence Devouart admits that WMF did not do any background checks on their employees and that this situation was not the responsibility of the board, but of Brad Patrick in his role as CEO.

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I would like to remind everyone here that we are still a very small
organization, despite taking care of very large and well known projects.
As such, staff is limited.
Unless I am mistaken, when Carolyn started working for us, the only
old-staff members of WMF were Danny, Brion, Tim and Brad. In fall,
Carolyn and Barbara were added.


Brad was ED at that time. The board hires the ED and has authority over
the ED. Then the ED has authority over all staff members (and he is the
one who hires them). In fall 2006, we did not perform criminal
background checks afaik.


15 Sep 07 ¤ Jimbo Wales pledges for a second time (on the Foundation-l mailing list) that he will personally cover any losses in the case of fraud.

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I have decided to get out in front of the issue by pledging to cover,
personally, any losses due to theft if that turns up in the audit. I do
not think that will come to anything, but I stand ready to make sure
that it does. It is the only thing I know of that I can do to help at
this point in reassuring everyone that this is a non-story in the end.



In a further quote, Jimbo says:

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If you ever hear of anything like this again, please do not make the "bad faith" assumption that it is being "hushed up". Assume that I would be outraged if I knew, and come and tell me.



19 Dec 2007 ¤ The story is broken in the Tampa Tribune

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Front page of the print edition.

14/15 Dec 2007: Carolyn Doran article is deleted/protected as a "BLP violation"

I wonder if that'll get reversed now. Was Daniel or Angela ever on the front page of a print newspaper?
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