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| jorge |
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QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 18th December 2007, 8:34pm)  Now the Observer shouldn't be mentioned on talkpages if SV doesn't like it - isn't this straight forward admin abuse of powers in a content dispute? down the rabbit hole we go This is the article in question . This is the newspaper article in question. QUOTE(gomi @ Tue 18th December 2007, 8:50pm)  Rather than the "Observer" I believe you mean The Grauniad. No, it's the Observer, the Guardian's sunday newspaper. We have had previous discussions about this person here and here.
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| Disillusioned Lackey |
Tue 18th December 2007, 9:38pm
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Well I think this was well done. (removing this off his talk pag and freezing the page)
Are you guys not aware that: Someone at Wikipedia obviously contacted the writer (Jenny H or something) at the Guardian Observer, and asked her to write a smear article on Professor Carl H, detailing his bad arbcom and pre-arbcom session.
It was criminal that this even happened.
If Slim wants to cover it up, more power to her. It was complete crap that the article ever happened, the author used "wikipedia vocabulary" as if it were real English (calling the professor a "disruptive editor" which goes beyond being unkind - it is professionally insulting). The man never made a rude edit on wiki, and he gets that? For arguing with people about substance?
I think that the entire Observer article should be retracted. And certainly not mentioned on his talk page for God's sake.
Its the first decent thing SV has done in ages. Maybe the most decent thing shes ever done. Dont needle her on this one.
This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Tue 18th December 2007, 9:39pm
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| Proabivouac |
Tue 18th December 2007, 9:52pm
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QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Tue 18th December 2007, 9:38pm)  Its the first decent thing SV has done in ages. [/b] Maybe the most decent thing shes ever done. Dont needle her on this one.
I can't speak to ancient disputes, but, in my more recent experience, Slim Virgin is not bad on BLP and privacy-related issues. Whether she's always been this way, or if it's a reaction to what's been done to her, I can't say, but I'd trust her on this kind of thing more than I would trust most editors. I can also assure that it's not the first decent thing she's done - she gave me the opportunity to argue to Jimbo and several arbitrators why Wikipedia should stop attacking my real world identity (unsuccessfully, I'm sorry to say.)
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| Disillusioned Lackey |
Tue 18th December 2007, 10:03pm
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Tue 18th December 2007, 3:52pm)  QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Tue 18th December 2007, 9:38pm)  Its the first decent thing SV has done in ages. [/b] Maybe the most decent thing shes ever done. Dont needle her on this one.
I can't speak to ancient disputes, but, in my more recent experience, Slim Virgin is not bad on BLP and privacy-related issues. Whether she's always been this way, or if it's a reaction to what's been done to her, I can't say, but I'd trust her on this kind of thing more than I would trust most editors. I can also assure that it's not the first decent thing she's done - she gave me the opportunity to argue to Jimbo and several arbitrators why Wikipedia should stop attacking my real world identity (unsuccessfully, I'm sorry to say.) Bringing a case where you are concerned about your identity to Arbcom was a BIG mistake. The only way to handle that is with a nice demeanor and a BIG STICK in your back hand - ONE that they can SEE.This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Tue 18th December 2007, 10:05pm
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Robert Roberts Slim decided that leading british paper is not a reliable source Tue 18th December 2007, 8:34pm gomi In addition to the "Observer" they are t... Tue 18th December 2007, 8:50pm  thekohser
Well I think this was well done. (removing this ... Wed 19th December 2007, 2:13am   Disillusioned Lackey
I'm throwing in my chip with Dan Tobias on th... Wed 19th December 2007, 2:24am  wikiwhistle
Are you guys not aware that: Someone at Wikipe... Thu 20th December 2007, 1:09am   Disillusioned Lackey
Lolololol Such papers wouldn't be so obligin... Thu 20th December 2007, 1:12am   Disillusioned Lackey
This is the Guardian. Even The Sun wouldn't ... Thu 20th December 2007, 1:15am dtobias I don't like double standards. The WikiClique... Tue 18th December 2007, 11:22pm Proabivouac
I don't like double standards. The WikiCliqu... Tue 18th December 2007, 11:38pm Disillusioned Lackey
I don't like double standards. The WikiCliqu... Wed 19th December 2007, 12:27am  jorge
[u]I'M JENNY KLEEMAN, I'M A JOURNALIST A... Wed 19th December 2007, 2:52am Amarkov I'm with Dan on this one. If Slim had done thi... Tue 18th December 2007, 11:30pm Moulton I agree with Dan, as well.
Consumers of Interne... Tue 18th December 2007, 11:39pm Proabivouac
I agree with Dan, as well.
Consumers of Intern... Tue 18th December 2007, 11:52pm Moulton I would be satisfied if an accountable admin assum... Tue 18th December 2007, 11:59pm Proabivouac
I would be satisfied if an accountable admin assu... Wed 19th December 2007, 12:03am thekohser
I would be satisfied if an accountable admin assu... Wed 19th December 2007, 2:22am Amarkov Anyway, if a leading paper has no issue with publi... Wed 19th December 2007, 12:00am Proabivouac
Anyway, if a leading paper has no issue with publ... Wed 19th December 2007, 12:12am  Amarkov
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someone upstream wondered aloud if jennykleeman@g... Thu 20th December 2007, 4:28pm Moulton Perhaps she doesn't want to write stories that... Thu 20th December 2007, 4:33pm Poetlister
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