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Robert Roberts
post Tue 18th December 2007, 8:34pm
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Now the Observer shouldn't be mentioned on talkpages if SV doesn't like it - isn't this straight forward admin abuse of powers in a content dispute?




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post Tue 18th December 2007, 11:22pm
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I don't like double standards. The WikiClique has one, and WR likes to rub its nose in it, but WR has one of its own; it seems to be the party line around here that coverups, secrecy, and censorship are bad when they're done to protect the WikiCliqueistas, but good when they're done to protect people WR likes. I don't buy this, and oppose coverups, secrecy, and censorships no matter where the chips fall.
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post Wed 19th December 2007, 12:27am
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I don't like double standards. The WikiClique has one, and WR likes to rub its nose in it, but WR has one of its own; it seems to be the party line around here that coverups, secrecy, and censorship are bad when they're done to protect the WikiCliqueistas, but good when they're done to protect people WR likes. I don't buy this, and oppose coverups, secrecy, and censorships no matter where the chips fall.

Dan,

The only way this would be a double standard is if every person who had a community ban or Arbcom session published in the newspaper. They dont.

None of you guys read the Arbcom session. I did. I looked at his history. He tried to reason with these people in a pretty collegial fashion. He also fought for his inputs - which may have been not feasible, but THIS? DOES NOT DESERVE.

Ok, lets have a look at the article in question, and the names he's called in it.
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THE SLIMING OF AN HONEST PROFESSOR WHO USED HIS REAL NAME TO EDIT WIKIPEDIA
  • following a scandal in which a world-renowned computer scientist has been banned from editing the online collaborative encyclopaedia.
  • --------------------------WHAT SCANDAL? BANNINGS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.)
  • Senior academics in his field say the changes he made have rendered some entries in effect useless.
  • --------------------------(WHAT SENIOR ACADEMICS? NAMES??)
  • contribution to Wikipedia was seen as so damaging that one administrator involved in an arbitration concluded: 'I do not believe Wikipedia would be improved by allowing Carl to edit articles on computer science, physics and mathematics.'
  • -------------------------- (DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW DAMAGING THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE THIS IS? TELL ME WHAT HE DID TO DESERVE IT - diffs)
  • ..He has requested that his biography be deleted from the encyclopaedia, blaming 'repeated vandalism' for making it 'continually inaccurate' so that it 'significantly misrepresents both me and my work.' An arbitration committee has rejected his request, and his biography stands with Hewitt powerless to change it.
  • --------------------------(SOUND FAMILIAR?? HELLO BRANDT???)
  • ...The banning of Hewitt shows that the academic community is in fact actively involved in editing Wikipedia
  • --------------------------(SAYS WHO? MOST OF HIS BANNING COMMITTEE DIDNT HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE)
  • ....As users prepare to redraft the computer science articles without Hewitt's input, no one is sure why a world-class expert would go to such extremes to promote himself
  • --------------------------(ANYONE HEAR "COI VICTIM" HERE? - the poor man should never have used his own name)
The author of this article: Jenny Kleeman The Observer, Sunday December 9 2007 and her other Wikipedia-love articles
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I'M JENNY KLEEMAN, I'M A JOURNALIST AND I LOVE WIKIPEDIA

NOW TELL ME. Does this good man deserve this after a life spent teaching in an important area?

Wake up WR.

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post Wed 19th December 2007, 2:52am
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I'M JENNY KLEEMAN, I'M A JOURNALIST AND I LOVE WIKIPEDIA

Most of Jenny Kleeman's work has been ridiculously pro Wikipedia- I wouldn't be surprised if she was an admin herself.
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Robert Roberts   Slim decided that leading british paper is not a reliable source   Tue 18th December 2007, 8:34pm
gomi   In addition to the "Observer" they are t...   Tue 18th December 2007, 8:50pm
jorge   Now the Observer shouldn't be mentioned on [i...   Tue 18th December 2007, 8:51pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Well I think this was well done. (removing this o...   Tue 18th December 2007, 9:38pm
Proabivouac   Its the first decent thing SV has done in ages. ...   Tue 18th December 2007, 9:52pm
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='68167' d...   Tue 18th December 2007, 10:03pm
thekohser   Well I think this was well done. (removing this ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:13am
Disillusioned Lackey   I'm throwing in my chip with Dan Tobias on th...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:24am
wikiwhistle   Are you guys not aware that: Someone at Wikipe...   Thu 20th December 2007, 1:09am
Disillusioned Lackey   Lolololol Such papers wouldn't be so obligin...   Thu 20th December 2007, 1:12am
Disillusioned Lackey   This is the Guardian. Even The Sun wouldn't ...   Thu 20th December 2007, 1:15am
dtobias   I don't like double standards. The WikiClique...   Tue 18th December 2007, 11:22pm
Proabivouac   I don't like double standards. The WikiCliqu...   Tue 18th December 2007, 11:38pm
Disillusioned Lackey   I don't like double standards. The WikiCliqu...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:27am
jorge   [u]I'M JENNY KLEEMAN, I'M A JOURNALIST A...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:52am
Amarkov   I'm with Dan on this one. If Slim had done thi...   Tue 18th December 2007, 11:30pm
Moulton   I agree with Dan, as well. Consumers of Interne...   Tue 18th December 2007, 11:39pm
Proabivouac   I agree with Dan, as well. Consumers of Intern...   Tue 18th December 2007, 11:52pm
Moulton   I would be satisfied if an accountable admin assum...   Tue 18th December 2007, 11:59pm
Proabivouac   I would be satisfied if an accountable admin assu...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:03am
thekohser   I would be satisfied if an accountable admin assu...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:22am
Amarkov   Anyway, if a leading paper has no issue with publi...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:00am
Proabivouac   Anyway, if a leading paper has no issue with publ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:12am
Amarkov   [quote name='Amarkov' post='68202' date='Wed 19th...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:24am
Moulton   I don't think anyone really intended Wikipedia...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:33am
Disillusioned Lackey   This was the crux of the issue that I fought. Wi...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:48am
dogbiscuit   [quote name='Amarkov' post='68210' date='Tue 18th...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:57am
Disillusioned Lackey   Anyway, if a leading paper has no issue with publ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 1:31am
dogbiscuit   Well, I think it is rather amusing that they are b...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:06am
Moulton   Part of the problem is that a paper can legitimate...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:07am
Amarkov   We've got it. The person who wrote the article...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:34am
Disillusioned Lackey   We've got it. The person who wrote the articl...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:42am
Amarkov   [quote name='Amarkov' post='68213' date='Tue 18th...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:47am
Disillusioned Lackey   No, that's not my point. There most certainly...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:52am
Disillusioned Lackey   Rebuttal by Hewitt (which will never be as high ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 1:09am
dtobias   [center][size=2]THE CENSORSHIP IS ON WIKIPEDIA AL...   Wed 19th December 2007, 1:53am
Derktar   [center][size=2]THE CENSORSHIP IS ON WIKIPEDIA A...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:05am
Disillusioned Lackey   What I think DL is getting at is that the "d...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:22am
thekohser   ...A Professor who has worked all his life for no...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:53am
Disillusioned Lackey   Then, take it even further. The longer that yel...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:28am
Proabivouac   What I think DL is getting at is that the "d...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:25am
Disillusioned Lackey   So, to end censorship, it's necessary to supp...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:05am
Proabivouac   [center][size=2]THE CENSORSHIP IS ON WIKIPEDIA A...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:22am
Disillusioned Lackey   The problem isn't the existence of the newspa...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:27am
Amarkov   Look, over there! It's a cow!   Wed 19th December 2007, 1:18am
Herschelkrustofsky   Excuse me, but who gives a crap about you? May ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 1:25am
Moulton   I'm probably biased about the case of Carl Hew...   Wed 19th December 2007, 12:49am
Amarkov   After taking a few deep breaths... I believe that...   Wed 19th December 2007, 1:34am
Disillusioned Lackey   After taking a few deep breaths... I believe tha...   Wed 19th December 2007, 1:37am
Moulton   The article in the UK Sunday Observer might well f...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:09am
Moulton   I think there is a good story to be told here, but...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:34am
Moulton   At this point, I would request that someone contac...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:55am
thekohser   At this point, I would request that someone conta...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:05am
Poetlister   I set out to do it, but I could not find an e-mai...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:10pm
wikiwhistle   At this point, I would request that someone conta...   Thu 20th December 2007, 1:13am
Disillusioned Lackey   Me too- journalists especially ones from reputabl...   Thu 20th December 2007, 1:18am
Moulton   Greg, she writes for the Business Section, so you ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:36am
Disillusioned Lackey   Greg, she writes for the Business Section, so you...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:40am
Moulton   She may decline to respond, but given that her rep...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:43am
Disillusioned Lackey   She may decline to respond, but given that her re...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:45am
Moulton   It doesn't matter. We have an ethical obligat...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:47am
Disillusioned Lackey   It doesn't matter. We have an ethical obliga...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:49am
Moulton   I'm not interested in writing a letter to the ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:51am
Disillusioned Lackey   I'm not interested in writing a letter to the...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:55am
Moulton   I accept that you do not understand or appreciate ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 4:04am
Disillusioned Lackey   I accept that you do not understand or appreciate...   Wed 19th December 2007, 4:10am
Moulton   [quote name='Moulton' post='68294' date='Tue 18th ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 4:34am
jorge   I don't think I have seen any negative coverag...   Wed 19th December 2007, 10:46am
jorge   Doh, I forgot Seth Finkelstein ....the reason is t...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:06pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Doh, I forgot Seth Finkelstein ....the reason is ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:22pm
Disillusioned Lackey   What I propose is not a strategic tack at all, si...   Wed 19th December 2007, 2:08pm
Moulton   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='68354' da...   Wed 19th December 2007, 4:59pm
Daniel Brandt   Don't forget that the managing editor of the G...   Wed 19th December 2007, 3:49pm
Piperdown   Don't forget that the managing editor of the ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 4:07pm
jorge   Don't forget that the managing editor of the ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 4:08pm
jorge   [quote name='Daniel Brandt' post='68371' date='We...   Wed 19th December 2007, 6:56pm
No one of consequence   I think you should stop chewing on your aluminium ...   Wed 19th December 2007, 7:49pm
jorge   I think you should stop chewing on your aluminium...   Wed 19th December 2007, 9:06pm
wikiwhistle   So the article that SlimVirgin i.e. Linda Mack w...   Thu 20th December 2007, 1:17am
jorge   [quote name='jorge' post='68415' date='Wed 19th D...   Thu 20th December 2007, 2:37pm
Saltimbanco   I wonder if any of Linda Mack's "friends...   Wed 19th December 2007, 8:52pm
Moulton   Jenny Kleeman responds...   Thu 20th December 2007, 2:36pm
Poetlister   Why should there be any questions about her ident...   Thu 20th December 2007, 4:08pm
Moulton   Why should there be any questions about her ident...   Thu 20th December 2007, 4:14pm
Poetlister   someone upstream wondered aloud if jennykleeman@g...   Thu 20th December 2007, 4:28pm
Moulton   Perhaps she doesn't want to write stories that...   Thu 20th December 2007, 4:33pm
Poetlister   Perhaps she doesn't want to write stories tha...   Thu 20th December 2007, 4:41pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Perhaps she doesn't want to write stories th...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:02pm
Moulton   I'm a little confused. The complaints, upthre...   Thu 20th December 2007, 4:46pm
Somey   I doubt that Ms. Kleeman is particularly biased in...   Thu 20th December 2007, 4:57pm
jorge   I doubt that Ms. Kleeman is particularly biased i...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:13pm
Disillusioned Lackey   What galls me is how she took the words of the ban...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:21pm
jorge   Look at my post above- is there any evidence she h...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:27pm
jorge   Look at my post above- is there any evidence she ...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:30pm
jorge   Archive of Ms Kleeman's Guardian articles here...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:46pm
Poetlister   Y'all have to remember that she's a freel...   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:47pm
Moulton   I've closed my E-Mail dialogue with Jenny Klee...   Thu 20th December 2007, 5:12pm
thekohser   Well, that was a whole lotta worthless. I've ...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:00pm
Moulton   Mebbe she'd be interested in writing a story a...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:12pm
Moulton   In all fairness, I doubt Jenny Kleeman has a lot o...   Thu 20th December 2007, 6:30pm

 

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