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post Thu 20th December 2007, 2:19am
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post Fri 21st December 2007, 12:52am
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Actually, the idea of having a mentor at all (let alone Durova) struck me as rather odd for an enterprise that had as its goal to write a respectable encyclopedia.

But having a mentor makes perfectly good sense if one views Wikipedia as an MMPORG.

And whether she was any good at it or not, Durova did fancy herself as an expert on gaming the system. She even wrote blog articles about it.
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post Fri 21st December 2007, 12:55am
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 21st December 2007, 12:52am) *
And whether she was any good at it or not, Durova did fancy herself as an expert on gaming the system. She even wrote blog articles about it.


Oh, she's fantastic at gaming the system. She can harass a person
and get them blocked for harassment. Absolutely brilliant!

But is that really what you want to learn from a mentor?

No, me neither.
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post Fri 21st December 2007, 3:27am
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QUOTE(AB @ Thu 20th December 2007, 5:55pm) *

Oh, she's fantastic at gaming the system. She can harass a person
and get them blocked for harassment. Absolutely brilliant!

But is that really what you want to learn from a mentor?

No, me neither.



That was my point with the Spears analogy.


Although, how does Durova harass a person and get them blocked for harassment?


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post Fri 21st December 2007, 1:38pm
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QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Thu 20th December 2007, 10:27pm) *
Although, how does Durova harass a person and get them blocked for harassment?

I have a theory about how that might be done.

When I was engaged in an otherwise congenial e-mail exchange with Durova, she suddenly and unexpectedly declared that she no longer wished to continue our conversation, indicating that she would consider any further traffic to be harrassment. That stance left no room for an expression of perplexity as to what had triggered her dramatic and unexplained reversal.

Something similar to that happened in my E-Mail conversation with Jim62sch.
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post Fri 21st December 2007, 3:20pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 21st December 2007, 8:38am) *

When I was engaged in an otherwise congenial e-mail exchange with Durova, she suddenly and unexpectedly declared that she no longer wished to continue our conversation, indicating that she would consider any further traffic to be harrassment.


I believe this happens shortly after the point that they discover you are their intellectual equal or superior. At that point, their power position is untenable, so they abort the conversation and disengage in a way that suggests any further action on your part will be equated with that of a socially-maladjusted derelict.

I got this type of feedback once from Charles Matthews, after I e-mailed him with a reasoned comment that suggested his stubbornly incorrect interpretation of the facts surrounding the Arch Coal fiasco was "some form of mental problem bordering on sociopathy."

He replied: "I want to hear nothing more from you. Clear?"

End of debate between intellectual equals, I guess.


QUOTE(AB @ Fri 21st December 2007, 10:13am) *

Durova has gotten a kid kicked out of school, ruining his career dreams.


Refresh me on that story with a link, please?

Greg

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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 21st December 2007, 9:20am) *
QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 21st December 2007, 8:38am) *

When I was engaged in an otherwise congenial e-mail exchange with Durova, she suddenly and unexpectedly declared that she no longer wished to continue our conversation, indicating that she would consider any further traffic to be harrassment.


I believe this happens shortly after the point that they discover you are their intellectual equal or superior. At that point, their power position is untenable, so they abort the conversation and disengage in a way that suggests any further action on your part will be equated with that of a socially-maladjusted derelict.

I got this type of feedback once from Charles Matthews, after I e-mailed him with a reasoned comment that suggested his stubbornly incorrect interpretation of the facts surrounding the Arch Coal fiasco was "some form of mental problem bordering on sociopathy."


Durova does this as a standard practice. She did it with Kohs, and I've seen her do it at least two other times. Which given I dont see everything she does all the live long day indicates that she probably does this as a standard modus operandi.

And Moulton, your analysis is spot-on. She seeks to annihilate anyone who is her intellectual equal. Anyone less, isn't worth the vitriol.


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QUOTE(AB @ Fri 21st December 2007, 10:13am) *

Durova has gotten a kid kicked out of school, ruining his career dreams.


Refresh me on that story with a link, please?

Greg

Oh sweet mother of G-d let this not be true. Does anyone know who this poor soul is?

This besides losing Tim H. his post as cong. press office? Sullying his good name?

QUOTE(AB @ Fri 21st December 2007, 9:13am) *

QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 21st December 2007, 2:52pm) *
Oh, I disagree with Durova, Jim62sch, and the others as well. I am inclined to believe they are merely misinformed and misguided, rather than pathologically misanthropic mendactors of misjudgment.


Durova has gotten a kid kicked out of school, ruining his career dreams.
Rather than have any remorse, she considers this to be experience that
makes her qualified to deal with similar situations in the future. If you
try to explain to her that she hurts people, she will call you
condescending, then charge you with spam and harassment.

Now, tell me, how do you interpret that as merely misguided? To me,
that proves she has absolutely no conscience, no ethics, no basic

sense of decency.


Yes, yes, yes. A thousand times yes.


QUOTE(AB @ Thu 20th December 2007, 6:44pm) *

You are probably lucky, Moulton. Getting mentored by Durova would probably
be worse than being banned. Durova is the sort of person who will get a kid
kicked out of school, ruining his career dreams, and accuse you of harassment
and threaten to throw you in jail if you peaceably and privately protest to her
about it.


I agree.

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post Fri 21st December 2007, 4:04pm
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QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Fri 21st December 2007, 10:46am) *
Moulton, your analysis is spot-on. She seeks to annihilate anyone who is her intellectual equal. Anyone less, isn't worth the vitriol.

In the interests of accuracy in attribution, that was Greg's analysis, not mine. Nonetheless, I have known other instances of that remarkable character trait, which evidently traces back to Cain's jealousy of his more accomplished brother.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 21st December 2007, 10:04am) *

In the interests of accuracy in attribution, that was Greg's analysis, not mine. Nonetheless, I have known other instances of that remarkable character trait, which evidently traces back to Cain's jealousy of his more accomplished brother.


I thought that was Joshua Zelinsky. wink.gif

QUOTE(Pwok @ Thu 20th December 2007, 5:19pm) *

I'm climbing off the ceiling. Sorry. They pissed me off when they turned this into a conversation about Britney Spears. It's bad enough to have to see that kind of crap on CNN. But I probably overreacted.

Then I'm sure the next month or so of news about her sister Jamie Lynn's pregnancy will upset you a whole lot? I saw it as one of the top 12 hits on Google News today.

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Pwok   Durova Offers "Mentoring" Services   Thu 20th December 2007, 2:19am
Proabivouac   Loathe as I am to defend Ms. Dunin, I'm afraid...   Thu 20th December 2007, 2:45am
Selina   Durova in a position to teach other people how to ...   Thu 20th December 2007, 7:56am
Pwok   posted by mistake   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:00am
LamontStormstar   That's not as hypocritical as Britney Spears i...   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:13am
The Joy   That's not as hypocritical as Britney Spears ...   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:16am
LamontStormstar   [quote name='LamontStormstar' post='68606' date='...   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:22am
Pwok   Posted by mistake   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:30am
LamontStormstar   Um, are you guys trying to hijack the thread? If ...   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:34am
Somey   We're lucky she didn't use the word ...   Thu 20th December 2007, 8:37am
Jonny Cache   We're lucky she didn't use the word ...   Fri 21st December 2007, 3:34pm
Moulton   Looks like Pwok picked up his marbles and went hom...   Thu 20th December 2007, 1:26pm
Amarkov   You've clearly deeply offended Pwok by not act...   Thu 20th December 2007, 10:53pm
AB   Pwok, if it is really upsetting to you when people...   Thu 20th December 2007, 11:17pm
Pwok   I'm climbing off the ceiling. Sorry. They piss...   Thu 20th December 2007, 11:19pm
AB   I'm climbing off the ceiling. Sorry. They pis...   Thu 20th December 2007, 11:29pm
Moulton   Have a yuk on me, Pwok. Durova proposed to mentor...   Fri 21st December 2007, 12:05am
AB   Durova proposed to mentor me after a recent Kafka...   Fri 21st December 2007, 12:44am
Nathan   If you want a mentor, try Tony Sidaway or Daniel....   Fri 21st December 2007, 2:30am
Moulton   Actually, the idea of having a mentor at all (let ...   Fri 21st December 2007, 12:52am
AB   And whether she was any good at it or not, Durova...   Fri 21st December 2007, 12:55am
AB   Although, how does Durova harass a person and get...   Fri 21st December 2007, 2:34pm
Disillusioned Lackey   [quote name='Moulton' post='68966' date='Fri 21st ...   Fri 21st December 2007, 3:46pm
Jonny Cache   [quote name='Disillusioned Lackey' post='68988' d...   Fri 21st December 2007, 4:22pm
Poetlister   it wasn't so much that Abel was more able, pe...   Fri 21st December 2007, 8:00pm
Somey   You mean ... they had Wikipedia even then? :o App...   Fri 21st December 2007, 9:02pm
Disillusioned Lackey   In the interests of accuracy in attribution, that...   Sat 22nd December 2007, 12:36pm
Moulton   Oh, I had no interest in learning to game the syst...   Fri 21st December 2007, 1:02am
Moulton   Oh, I disagree with Durova, Jim62sch, and the othe...   Fri 21st December 2007, 2:52pm
AB   Oh, I disagree with Durova, Jim62sch, and the oth...   Fri 21st December 2007, 3:13pm
Moulton   Remorse is an interesting emotion -- one that is r...   Fri 21st December 2007, 3:26pm
dtobias   Many of the characters in the Wikipedia soap oper...   Sat 22nd December 2007, 12:42pm
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Moulton   I was gonna edit accomplished to distinguished, bu...   Fri 21st December 2007, 4:41pm
Jonny Cache   I was gonna edit accomplished to distinguished, b...   Fri 21st December 2007, 4:44pm
Moulton   Actually, you are doing remarkably well for someon...   Fri 21st December 2007, 9:06pm
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