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> PJHaseldine, and Alternative theories of the bombing of PA103
tarantino
post Sat 22nd December 2007, 3:44pm
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What I alluded to in the following post has been brought to the attention of WP:COIN by the S. African editor Socrates2008, who's turned into something of an SPA.

QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 8th November 2007, 3:14am) *

While he was rebuffed on AN while trying to build another case against Privatemusings, JzG has another sock in his sights.

He's taken a keen interest in Pan Am Flight 103 related articles that have been edited by Phase4, after it was pointed out here that Phase4 had visited Slim's talk page.
Ulrich Lumpert
Abdul Majid Giaka
Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi
Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial
Hans Köchler's Lockerbie trial observer mission

Here's a clue for you, Guy. He's not a sock of a banned user, he's a former diplomat with extensive experience in the articles he edits.


Haseldine is a chief proponent of the theory that South Africa was responsible for the bombing.
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post Sat 22nd December 2007, 6:27pm
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Interesting that WP:COIN is semi-protected to stop new users reporting any CoI.
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post Sun 23rd December 2007, 12:08am
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Whole load of stuff going on here.

Hmmm.
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post Sun 23rd December 2007, 1:03am
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Phase4 has now been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of PJHaseldine i.e. Patrick Haseldine. I wonder what all the Phase1, Phase 2, Phase4 stuff was about...? blink.gif
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post Sun 23rd December 2007, 1:21pm
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We can't have people who know what they're talking about edit controversial articles!
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post Sun 23rd December 2007, 2:37pm
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QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 23rd December 2007, 1:03am) *

Phase4 has now been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of PJHaseldine i.e. Patrick Haseldine. I wonder what all the Phase1, Phase 2, Phase4 stuff was about...? blink.gif


It was pretty clear that those users were the same person, or at least related. They made little attempt to obfuscate the fact, and I haven't seen anything particularly disruptive or misleading in their edits.
I also think the theory of South Africa's involvement in the bombing is more compelling than that of Libya's. I'm now very curious about the motivations and identity of Socrates2008 and his tag team partner Deon_Steyn. Their edits show an interest in South Africa military history and weapons.
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post Sun 23rd December 2007, 2:50pm
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There was a Colonel Deon Steyn recorded as being commanding officer of the Kruger Park unit of the South Africa National Defence Force in 1998. A Colonel Steyn was commanding officer of Robben Island where Mandela was imprisoned but I'm guessin that's not the same one. There is Colonel Ben Steyn who is an expert on chemical and biological weapons.

EDIT: I think the commander of Robben Island was Colonel, later General Johannes Steyn.
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post Sun 23rd December 2007, 4:00pm
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Steyn is a common Afrikaans surname, though Deon Steyn might be rarer.
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post Wed 16th January 2008, 5:10am
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Sun 23rd December 2007, 2:37pm) *

QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 23rd December 2007, 1:03am) *

Phase4 has now been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of PJHaseldine i.e. Patrick Haseldine. I wonder what all the Phase1, Phase 2, Phase4 stuff was about...? blink.gif


It was pretty clear that those users were the same person, or at least related. They made little attempt to obfuscate the fact, and I haven't seen anything particularly disruptive or misleading in their edits.
I also think the theory of South Africa's involvement in the bombing is more compelling than that of Libya's. I'm now very curious about the motivations and identity of Socrates2008 and his tag team partner Deon_Steyn. Their edits show an interest in South Africa military history and weapons.


Good job, JzG! Way to keep PJHaseldine in his place.

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# 23:28, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) m User:Phase4‎ (Protected User:Phase4: nonsense [edit=sysop:move=sysop]) (top)
# 23:28, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Phase4‎ (rm. nosense)
# 23:28, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) m User:Phase2‎ (Protected User:Phase2: nonsense [edit=sysop:move=sysop]) (top)
# 23:27, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Phase2‎ (rm nonsense)
# 23:27, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) m User:Phase1‎ (Protected User:Phase1: nonsense [edit=sysop:move=sysop]) (top)
# 23:27, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Phase1‎ (rm nonsense)
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post Wed 16th January 2008, 2:11pm
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It's seems a bit arrogant to characterize a person as "nonsense".
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