Raul654 biased... say it ain't so...., admin abusively blocking Options

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Raul suggests that those who claim he routinely abusively blocks people diametrically opposed to his pov have no ground to stand on and challenges them to bring forth some evidence.

And subsequently gets pwned.

BAM HEADSHOT.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

It's a clear case of abuse of admin powers to push POV, in the grand tradition of Virginia Slim.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Yeah, I don't touch the global warming related articles. Too many POV pushing admins in that walled garden. Its amazing how quickly they circle the wagons tho. Must protect our fellow admins even when its impossible to defend him....

[Poetlister]

don't forget these are issues subject to organised attempts by well funded outside bodies aiming to distort WP to present their own view, regardless of policies

Is that a dig at us?

[everyking]

don't forget these are issues subject to organised attempts by well funded outside bodies aiming to distort WP to present their own view, regardless of policies

Is that a dig at us?

No way. It's presumably an allegation directed at creationist and/or global warming skeptic groups.

[Eleland]

This is another case where I'm torn between my dislike of the slightly blockhappy admin involvement, and the blatant idiocy of the POV-pushers who whine about it. For example, one of the anons listed there insisted that the IPCC (as in, everyone who's anyone in climate research) plus the National Academies of Science of the entire G8 plus China and India were "some of the scientific community."

There really does come a point when it's legitimate to block people for constant counterfactual POV-pushing, but doing it in this manner just invites drama.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

This is another case where I'm torn between my dislike of the slightly blockhappy admin involvement, and the blatant idiocy of the POV-pushers who whine about it. For example, one of the anons listed there insisted that the IPCC (as in, everyone who's anyone in climate research) plus the National Academies of Science of the entire G8 plus China and India were "some of the scientific community."

It's bad all around at those articles, because the POV of the ones who OWN them, including William Connolly and Raymond Arritt, is that there are no scientists at all that oppose the IPCC viewpoint. In reality, there are substantial numbers of scientists on both sides of the fence, which would appear to be a perfect opportunity to apply the NPOV doctrine, but no, that's not going to happen. Incidentally, the evidence supplied at ANI indicates that Raul654 has ventured into a realm far beyond the "slightly blockhappy."

[Miltopia]

It's not only ok, but responsible in my book, to block (real) POV-pushers and the like. But it needs to be done by uninvolved admins. Why can't Raul654 use dispute resolution like everyone else?

[Kyaa the Catlord]

It's not only ok, but responsible in my book, to block (real) POV-pushers and the like. But it needs to be done by uninvolved admins. Why can't Raul654 use dispute resolution like everyone else?

Cause he's a crusader and must protect the walled garden they have carefully crafted.

[michael]

I'm sorry, but when the fuck did "Administrators must not block users with whom they are engaged in a content dispute; instead, they should report the problem to other administrators" get thrown out of the window? I mentioned it when Jayjg was proposing the same, but it looks like they're all approving of Raul doing the same thing here.

[Moulton]

If everyone appropriately recused themselves from the exercise of Wiki-Power when they were a party to a dispute, Wikidrama would largely vanish.

[Kyaa the Catlord]

Skandalon is a great word. It needs to be used more often.

[Moulton]

Skandalon is a great word. It needs to be used more often.

I learned it from Rene Girard, who used it in his model of rivalrous conflict in Dostoevsky.

[guy]

Global warming is a classic example of when article writing should be left to people who know what they're talking about (on both sides of the argument) rather than letting the free market rip. I know enough about the subject to know that I don't feel competent to intervene. No doubt I'm in a minority.

[Moulton]

Global Warming is one of those slow, long-term trends that sneaks up on people, much like a rising tide.

Wikipedia has its own species of rising tide, which some of us are trying to document in these pages and on personal blogs.

Wikipedia is slowly being inundated by a rising tide of disrepute, exacerbated by leaks in the foundation.

Like all sandcastles, it will eventually wash away.

[Nathan]

I'm sorry, but when the fuck did "Administrators must not block users with whom they are engaged in a content dispute; instead, they should report the problem to other administrators" get thrown out of the window? I mentioned it when Jayjg was proposing the same, but it looks like they're all approving of Raul doing the same thing here.

I've brought up that exact issue several times (regarding another matter completely) to ArbCom, to WP:AN and pretty much anyone who would listen and sadly, nobody seems to care.

[Moulton]

It seems to be a fairly common lapse, for admins to fail to recuse themselves when they are a party to a dispute. Nor does ArbCom seen to care.

[Miltopia]

They go really harsh on it at times, the problem is consistency. Alkivar and some others have been desysopped (or had their "controversial circumstances" resignations confirmed) for the same.

[Moulton]

...with Liberty and Justice for some, now and then.

Or not.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

If everyone appropriately recused themselves from the exercise of Wiki-Power when they were a party to a dispute, Wikidrama would largely vanish.

Under those circumstances, TINC would become reality.