Jim62sch Arbitration Case Options

[Castle Rock]

A pseudoscience spat spills over into someone's RFA and a complaint is posted on the ANI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#Jim62sch Jim and image cop Videmus Omnia get at it immediately. Accusations of off-wiki harassment, appeals to Jimmy Wales, and hurt feelings abound.

Yes, another member of the club. You don't believe Jim would engage in off-wiki harrassment? Jim threatened to contact my employer on a suspicion that I was editing Wikipedia from my employer's network. After viewing his e-mail, Jimbo said "In my opinion, that's enough to ban Jim62Sch right there. This is not the kind of person I want participating in Wikipedia, period, full stop.". Unfortunately there was no followup. Videmus Omnia Talk 20:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Jim threatens to get him in trouble at work for wasting time on government computers playing around at Wikipedia.

(ri)Go for it. However, you seem to forget that as a federal employee it is my duty to try to stop waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government, and this includes the military. That's not harrassment, sarge, that's known as doing one's duty as a civil servant as described by the OGE. Do you really want to take this further? Feel free to, if you wish, but I doubt it'll prove satisfactory to anyone. Why you felt the need to bring this up here is beyond me, but so be it. The simple fact of the matter is that the federal government and the military have a limited personal use policy regarding PC's. Enough said? •Jim62sch• 23:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

> From: Jim62sch [jim62sch@hotmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:24 AM
> To: Videmus Omnia
> Subject: Wikipedia e-mail
>
> This is a confidential and private e-mail -- i.e., it's
> copyrighted and not for release to anyone.
>
>
> (Videmus Omnia),
>
> Are we ready to have some fun? I sure as hell am.
>
> BTW, what's the private use policy on USAF PC's? Or LAN lines?
>
> Jim
>
> © 2007 Jim62Sch

copy-righted email? shades of durova
Escalated to Arbitration, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...ration#Jim62sch, within hours.

This post has been edited by Castle Rock: Wed 2nd January 2008, 12:59am

[KStreetSlave]

There is no obligation. Anyone that ever thought there was one is stupid. Certainly not one from contractor or civilian agency to DoD.

Unless orangemarlin works for the inspector general's office, or CID/NCIS/OSI, which I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

[One]

There is no obligation. Anyone that ever thought there was one is stupid. Certainly not one from contractor or civilian agency to DoD.

Unless orangemarlin works for the inspector general's office, or CID/NCIS/OSI, which I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

You would think that settles the matter, but OrangeMarlin insists that he still has an obligation anyway. Swatjester makes one hell of a reply. ("I know it may be hard for an officer, but try using some common sense.") If I was in Washington, I'd by the man a drink. Well, for this, and for serving in Iraq.

[GlassBeadGame]

There is no obligation. Anyone that ever thought there was one is stupid. Certainly not one from contractor or civilian agency to DoD.

Unless orangemarlin works for the inspector general's office, or CID/NCIS/OSI, which I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

You would think that settles the matter, but OrangeMarlin insists that he still has an obligation anyway. Swatjester makes one hell of a reply. ("I know it may be hard for an officer, but try using some common sense.") If I was in Washington, I'd by the man a drink. Well, for this, and for serving in Iraq.

Jesus, is it just me or is it petty beyond all comprehension to even consider ratting-out a soldier for editing Wikipedia, whether you have an "obligation" or not?

[Sxeptomaniac]

There is no obligation. Anyone that ever thought there was one is stupid. Certainly not one from contractor or civilian agency to DoD.

Unless orangemarlin works for the inspector general's office, or CID/NCIS/OSI, which I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

You would think that settles the matter, but OrangeMarlin insists that he still has an obligation anyway. Swatjester makes one hell of a reply. ("I know it may be hard for an officer, but try using some common sense.") If I was in Washington, I'd by the man a drink. Well, for this, and for serving in Iraq.

Jesus, is it just me or is it petty beyond all comprehension to even consider ratting-out a soldier for editing Wikipedia, whether you have an "obligation" or not?

Petty, but not beyond comprehension for anyone who's run into those guys before. I think the only thing that limits what they are willing to do in order to drive off perceived opponents is what they think they can get away with.

As far as OM's officer status, it's clear from his comments that he's a reserve officer. Given some stories I've heard from friend who trained reserves a few years back, being a reserve officer is not in itself a whole lot to brag about.

This post has been edited by Sxeptomaniac: Mon 7th January 2008, 8:59pm

[KStreetSlave]

There is no obligation. Anyone that ever thought there was one is stupid. Certainly not one from contractor or civilian agency to DoD.

Unless orangemarlin works for the inspector general's office, or CID/NCIS/OSI, which I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

You would think that settles the matter, but OrangeMarlin insists that he still has an obligation anyway. Swatjester makes one hell of a reply. ("I know it may be hard for an officer, but try using some common sense.") If I was in Washington, I'd by the man a drink. Well, for this, and for serving in Iraq.

Jesus, is it just me or is it petty beyond all comprehension to even consider ratting-out a soldier for editing Wikipedia, whether you have an "obligation" or not?

Petty, but not beyond comprehension for anyone who's run into those guys before. I think the only thing that limits what they are willing to do in order to drive off perceived opponents is what they think they can get away with.

As far as OM's officer status, it's clear from his comments that he's a reserve officer. Given some stories I've heard from friend who trained reserves a few years back, being a reserve officer is not in itself a whole lot to brag about.

OM self admitted that he was a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy, which according to the article is the equivalent to a Major. I don't know about the navy, but in the air force, where VO is, reserve majors are probably more common than field mice.

I think I read somewhere that VO is an active duty Master Sergeant. But I'm not sure on that.

[Samuel Culper Sr.]

I think I read somewhere that VO is an active duty Master Sergeant. But I'm not sure on that.

Yep. Master Sergeant. I have his name/rank/unit/even a picture of him, his wife and kids. I'm sleuthy.