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| Peter Damian |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 11:33am
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I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 4,400 Joined: Tue 18th Dec 2007, 9:25pm Member No.: 4,212 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
As part of the increasingly incestuous relationship between the Wales page and WR, see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...for_spanking.3F QUOTE Mr. Wales, it may be time for you to either pay more attention to what's happening with this Wikipedia/Wikia relationship, or begin setting down some rules at Wikia along the lines of, "Don't embarrass Wikia or the Wikipedia project with your actions on Wikia or Wikipedia." You'll wonder what I'm talking about? I'm delighted to see that Wikipedia has a GFDL image of some boys involved in the Boy Scouts mission. I'm not so delighted to see that photo copied into a Wikia called "Spanking Art", to enhance an article about Boy Scouts that reads: While nowadays the Scouting movement prohibits the use of corporal punishment as part of its activities, this was not always so, and in spanking stories they often go hand in hand, especially with Beaver and Cub Scouts. There are also some spanking drawings that show young scouts, e.g. by Comixpank. Because of the connotations of discipline that comes with scouting, some adult spankophiles like to roleplay/ageplay a boy or girl scout (similar to playing schoolboys). Exactly what kind of perverts are Wikia and the Wikimedia Foundation enabling, by allowing them free and unfettered access to simple pictures of boys, that are then twisted and exploited on your for-profit company's website, so that they are interwoven into adult perversions and roleplay? QUOTE I know I'm not supposed to link there [direct link to WR, horrors], but you really ought to spend a minute or two reviewing this analysis of what's going on, before you unwittingly spawn a worldwide boycott of Amazon.com, the primary investor in Wikia "Spanking Art", for being a pro-pedophilia corporation. - John Russ Finley (talk) 02:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC) I see he uses the word 'perverts' for which Giano was temporarily blocked, and I was indef blocked. Be careful John. QUOTE Is there a reason that you are complaining on Wikipedia when the problem you have is with Wikia? Another site is using our image (or rather the Wikimedia Commons' image) in accordance with copyright in a way that you find inappropriate. There is nothing that Wikipedia can do. Mr.Z-man 04:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I saw above that this is the place to praise Mr. Wales for his development of Wikia, Inc. I assumed that it would also be the place to bring criticisms of Wikia to light. - John Russ Finley (talk) 04:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales" Hey and before you unwittingly spawn a worldwide boycott of Amazon.com, the primary investor in Wikia "Spanking Art", for being a pro-pedophilia corporation has got to be a WP:LEGAL if I saw one. I DEMAND a community ban (as Durova argued in my case). This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Tue 22nd January 2008, 11:37am |
| Kato |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 11:41am
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dhd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 5,521 Joined: Fri 29th Dec 2006, 8:39pm Member No.: 767 |
Noted in another thread, about Wiki-Commons:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=15405 This week the hideous Category : Lolita on the commons had a picture of a clearly under-aged girl in its ranks. As stated by Bead, the fact that WP permits this material, without taking even the minimal steps of being COPPA compliant is an outrage. |
| JohnA |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 12:53pm
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Looking over Winston Smith's shoulder ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 1,171 Joined: Sun 30th Jul 2006, 9:56pm Member No.: 313 |
Cue Taxwoman in 3...2...1...
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| Peter Damian |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 2:15pm
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I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 4,400 Joined: Tue 18th Dec 2007, 9:25pm Member No.: 4,212 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
Actually Finley, if that is who he is, really is heading for a block: this refers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=184332213 clearly prompted by this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ohn_Russ_Finley |
| thekohser |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 2:17pm
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Cue Taxwoman in 3...2...1... Roger, that. Thing is, I believe that Taxwoman is a firm believer in the rights of adults to roleplay all they want. I'm not sure she would be so strongly in favor of co-opting and/or exploiting the images of children so that they are "fair game" in the minds of adult roleplayers. It's one thing for a 40-year-old man to wear a diaper and ask his "mommie" to spank him. It's another thing altogether to find a photo of some 11-year-old Boy Scouts and slap them on a page that's drooling with anticipation of spanking their bare behinds. I'm sure the Wikipedia/Wikia response will be, "This is our page/photo of Boy Scouts, not theirs. It's our responsibility to police how it is used, and the reputation of our organization(s) outweighs that of the Boy Scouts and even supercedes the privacy of those boys who should have known that the camera was set on 'GFDL mode'!" It really is astounding, and I hope that Taxwoman weighs in (with this clear distinction between fun and predation). Greg |
| thekohser |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 3:04pm
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It would appear that the photographer of the Boy Scouts image doesn't much care about how the picture is used at Wikia.
Since there is such indifference to this within the Hive, perhaps the twisted minds of Wikipediots would be better persuaded by pointing this out to the Boy Scouts of America, so that they can issue a take-down order to Gil Penchina? Even better, somehow find the moms and dads of the specific boys in the photo and point them to how Jimmy Wales and Amazon see fit to exploit them for the edification of "spankophiles". An angry mom or an outraged dad is far more potent than a DMCA take-down notice! Jimbo hasn't responded yet, but I wonder how Metros and Rlevse would react if the photo chosen for a page in Spanking Art happened to be a GFDL image of little Kira Wales? Greg |
| Moulton |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 3:07pm
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Anthropologist from Mars ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 10,220 Joined: Mon 29th Oct 2007, 9:56pm From: Greater Boston Member No.: 3,670 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
Oh, great.
Now we have the Spankish Inquisition. |
| Peter Damian |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 3:18pm
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I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 4,400 Joined: Tue 18th Dec 2007, 9:25pm Member No.: 4,212 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
Even better, somehow find the moms and dads of the specific boys in the photo and point them to how Jimmy Wales and Amazon see fit to exploit them for the edification of "spankophiles". An angry mom or an outraged dad is far more potent than a DMCA take-down notice! That's a very good point and seems completely lost on the photographer who is presumably a scoutmaster of some kind. Both my children are in the scouts and if I found out that someone in the scouting organisation had taken their picture and had allowed it to go onto a site like this I could not be held responsible for my actions. Also, I know the parents who act as guardians and governors of local and national scouting groups, whose job it is to keep a watchful eye on things, would be extremely concerned if they knew about this. What is extraordinary is how oblivious they seem to be on that page. And on this one, I suspect. Problem is, it is all very jokey and funny in one sense, then you realise it is real children, real parents, and real perverts involved in it all. Thanks for keeping on about this. |
| Moulton |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 3:36pm
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Anthropologist from Mars ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 10,220 Joined: Mon 29th Oct 2007, 9:56pm From: Greater Boston Member No.: 3,670 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
Obliviousness precludes advancement to the Ethics of Care.
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| Peter Damian |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 7:28pm
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I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 4,400 Joined: Tue 18th Dec 2007, 9:25pm Member No.: 4,212 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
It's one thing for a 40-year-old man to wear a diaper and ask his "mommie" to spank him. It's another thing altogether to find a photo of some 11-year-old Boy Scouts and slap them on a page that's drooling with anticipation of spanking their bare behinds. I checked out the strange spanking-related Wikia site and found this page http://spankingart.wikia.com/wiki/Panty_shot which is utterly sick - little girls being spanked. How much do we have to complain before, say, the police get called in? Or this http://spankingart.wikia.com/wiki/Gauis_Marius I mean, words fail utterly. Has Amazon been told? Or this http://images.wikia.com/spankingart/images/d/d4/Park.jpg This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Tue 22nd January 2008, 7:30pm |
| The Joy |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 8:03pm
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I am a millipede! I am amazing! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,838 Joined: Sat 17th Feb 2007, 2:25am From: The Moon Member No.: 982 |
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| LamontStormstar |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 8:19pm
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| Miltopia |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 8:27pm
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Inactive Posts: 461 Joined: Mon 29th Oct 2007, 3:19am Member No.: 3,658 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
http://spankingart.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Cmxpack.jpg
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's really all you need to know about Wikia in one picture. I still don't understand why the wiki- and pedo- worlds seem to cross so much. |
| thekohser |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 8:41pm
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I still don't understand why the wiki- and pedo- worlds seem to cross so much. Some unfortunate people wish to act, hidden from society's identification of them and without responsibility or attribution, on their innermost desires for personal gratification regardless of the harm they may bring to innocent lives. Sounds exactly like a Wikipediot admin working on a BLP and a pedophile working on a neighbor's 7-year-old. Amazon's investor relations contact is: ir@amazon.com. Greg |
| Kato |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 8:47pm
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dhd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 5,521 Joined: Fri 29th Dec 2006, 8:39pm Member No.: 767 |
I still don't understand why the wiki- and pedo- worlds seem to cross so much. In normal, healthy life, there are diligent organizations and regulations developed to protect the vulnerable from predatory behaviour such as the above. But in Jimboland, which is dominated by a privileged but naive class with no idea of the margins many people live on in real societies, these necessary regulations are no doubt deemed "censorship". They are rejected out of hand, resulting in a revival of practices that haven't seen the light of day in civilized society for decades. This doesn't really impact this privileged class so what do they care? On the ground, away from the Florida poolside dreamers, a culture further disintegrates. And the people who don't bask in Jimbo's internet bonanza, and who don't get to go to Press dinners with Richard Branson, get it in the neck. Same old story of hubris and exploitation. |
| Pwok |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 9:28pm
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In normal, healthy life, there are diligent organizations and regulations developed to protect the vulnerable from predatory behaviour such as the above. But in Jimboland, which is dominated by a privileged but naive class with no idea of the margins many people live on in real societies, these necessary regulations are no doubt deemed "censorship". They are rejected out of hand, resulting in a revival of practices that haven't seen the light of day in civilized society for decades. This doesn't really impact this privileged class so what do they care? On the ground, away from the Florida poolside dreamers, a culture further disintegrates. And the people who don't bask in Jimbo's internet bonanza, and who don't get to go to Press dinners with Richard Branson, get it in the neck. Same old story of hubris and exploitation. BINGO. |
| Peter Damian |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 9:59pm
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I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 4,400 Joined: Tue 18th Dec 2007, 9:25pm Member No.: 4,212 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
A few more comments on Wales' page suggesting some people are now 'getting it'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...for_spanking.3F On the other hand this one QUOTE Since the image is not being used commercially, and the boys are not recognizable celebrities, there can not be any personality rights issues involved in the U.S., where the First Amendment unequivocally permits all non-commercial publications of photographs that don't infringe on statutes, as protected speech. However, IANAL. MilesAgain (talk) 21:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales" clearly isn't getting it. 1. There are various laws protecting use of children's images 2. Even if not actually illegal, and that can always be tested, there is 'reputation risk'. (Everyone here will laugh at that one, but the point is, only people here, for now, are getting the joke). This one is really going to run. Has anyone posted the panty-shot and cub-shout one on the Wales page. I sadly can't. This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Tue 22nd January 2008, 10:00pm |
| Samuel Culper Sr. |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 10:02pm
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Maybe David Shankbone (i.e. resident wikid reporter of spanksings-ons) can write up a report for Wikinews!!!
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| Peter Damian |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 10:13pm
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I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 4,400 Joined: Tue 18th Dec 2007, 9:25pm Member No.: 4,212 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
See
http://spankingart.wikia.com/wiki/Web_group QUOTE Web groups, however, can also cause much frustration because practically all hosts (such as Yahoo! or MSN) regularly delete groups hosted by them without a warning or giving a reason. Such a deletion can be a catastrophe for the group's members -- like a bomb out of a blue sky it extinguishes all files, postings, the list of members, and all other content the group may have built in years of work, without any way to recover any of it. On inquiry, if they do reply at all, they will usually send a standardized reply that says the group "violated their Terms of Service" without specifying any details. Hurrah for Wikia then! Maybe David Shankbone (i.e. resident wikid reporter of spanksings-ons) can write up a report for Wikinews!!! Is that Elonka with the glasses, then? And it finally dawns on Rlevse http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...alk:Jimbo_Wales that something ver' wrong here. And now someone is really really getting it. QUOTE Jimbo, in his capacity with Wikia, certainly has the power to get rid of the image even if the use is legally permissible. I am not a lawyer either so I don't know if the use is permissible, but I'm certainly concerned about the possibilities. What do you think the odds are that any person involved in Scouting is going to contribute any Scouting-related photo if a company owned by Jimbo Wales is going to misuse those photos? I can tell you that if this photo stays up, I have contributed my last photo to Wikimedia projects. If this were a third party using it, ok, there isn't much that can be done, or at least whining about it here isn't going to accomplish anything. But it's a company founded/owned/run/whatever by Jimbo and he certainly has the power to do something about it. It's a question of moral obligations. I cannot speak to the legal obligations of personality rights - I am not a lawyer. --B (talk) 22:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Teh penny drops QUOTE The potential for abuse of images, making wiki look bad, condoning child porn here is huge. Please act, Jimbo. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales" This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Tue 22nd January 2008, 10:16pm |
| privatemusings |
Tue 22nd January 2008, 10:50pm
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well done for bringing this out into the open - I think it's both important and urgent, and have tried to bring it to the attention of people at wikback.com.
I also took the photo out of the article because I realised I could, and really don't think it should be there a moment longer than it has to..... I think we'll see the closure of that wiki before too long (today, hopefully) - but time will tell..... PM |
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