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> Ban of Amorrow, Should it be lifted?
Should Amorrow be unbanned from Wikipedia Review?
Do you think that Amorrow should be unbanned from Wikipedia Review?
Yes - his ban should be lifted immediately [ 12 ] ** [26.67%]
Yes - after a period of time, his ban should be lifted [ 4 ] ** [8.89%]
No - his ban should remain unless things change [ 6 ] ** [13.33%]
No - his ban should stay forever [ 19 ] ** [42.22%]
Not sure [ 4 ] ** [8.89%]
Do you think that Amorrow was banned because of his posts to WR or because of a deal between WR and WP?
As part of a "deal" between Selina and/or Blu Aardvark and Linuxbeak (or otherwise between WR and WP) [ 4 ] ** [8.89%]
After getting dozens of warnings and there was no other way [ 9 ] ** [20.00%]
A bit of both [ 9 ] ** [20.00%]
Because of threats from WP, or generally to tidy up WR's image [ 4 ] ** [8.89%]
Because WR members generally don't like Amorrow [ 5 ] ** [11.11%]
Some other reason [ 7 ] ** [15.56%]
Not sure [ 7 ] ** [15.56%]
Do you think that Amorrow should have been banned from Wikipedia?
Yes - indefinitely [ 24 ] ** [53.33%]
Yes - for a time [ 3 ] ** [6.67%]
No [ 8 ] ** [17.78%]
Not sure [ 10 ] ** [22.22%]
Total Votes: 135
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blissyu2
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Ordinarily, this would be in Wikipedia Review Review, but given the public attention that this has gained, I think that it is best in a public forum, so that it can be quoted on Wikipedia and elsewhere, and demonstrate clearly what we are doing here.

The argument to ban Amorrow from Wikipedia Review:

Amorrow was commenting in ways that could be considered to be cyber stalking. Since Wikipedia Review is a law-abiding entity, it is risky for us to be associated with someone who may be engaging in illegal activity. Whilst he is free to do this on his own personal site, and we will not ban him for doing this, we do not want to in any way be seen to be encouraging what may be illegal activity. As such, he was given several warnings to try to stop these kinds of posts, and to alter his behaviour. He did appear to try to stop, but then diverted to talking about female editors, which was an example of discrimination, which also may potentially be illegal. As such, keeping Amorrow as a Wikipedia Review poster is something which we felt may be legally worrying. Whilst of course Amorrow never attacked Wikipedia Review, people do not generally get banned from this forum because we don't like them (only in exceptional cases such as Malber and Grace Note who went on elongated efforts to destroy every aspect of this forum). There has been talk to ban Amorrow for over a week, and whilst I was protesting the ban as I felt that he could merely be encouraged not to put us in to legal jeapordy, the other issue is that most people here didn't like him either. The ban was likely to come about this time anyway, and I do not personally protest the ban. I think it was fair to ban him from this forum.

The argument to remove the ban from Amorrow from Wikipedia Review:

As Everyking pointed out, Amorrow's ban from Wikipedia Review coincided with Linuxbeak, a Wikipedia administrator, removing the ban on Wikipedia of two of Wikipedia Review's administrators, Mistress Selina Kyle and Blu Aardvark. Whilst the bans on MSK and Blu Aardvark were both due to their posting on WR, and hence were examples of censorship of this forum, and most people agree that their bans should be lifted immediately, the issue is whether they were unbanned in return for Amorrow being banned here. MSK also resigned as a Wikipedia Review administrator, which may or may not have anything to do with this (she is still the site administrator, and for a long time I have suggested to her just to be site admin and not be moderator).

In these circumstances, I believe that we should have a poll, open to all users, including WR haters, including people who do not yet have accounts, to see if they think that Amorrow's ban was fair, and if the ban should be lifted. I think that it is important to do this so that people can see that we are not going to concede to Wikipedia's demands and we remain an independent body and a legitimate source of criticism.
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blissyu2   Ban of Amorrow   Mon 29th May 2006, 12:44pm
everyking   Voted to unban immediately for the first question-...   Mon 29th May 2006, 1:02pm
Donny   I voted "not sure" for both the top two ...   Mon 29th May 2006, 1:13pm
blissyu2   Whilst I know that on Wikipedia they aim for ...   Mon 29th May 2006, 1:39pm
kotepho   The guy is creepy, but I don't really mind any...   Mon 29th May 2006, 1:40pm
Herschelkrustofsky   I'd like to defer to the judgement of others o...   Mon 29th May 2006, 2:09pm
sgrayban   You mean a REAL poll? pfft that wouldn't be th...   Mon 29th May 2006, 2:22pm
guy   Herschel didn't say "have a poll on banni...   Mon 29th May 2006, 3:51pm
sgrayban   Work's in either case.....   Mon 29th May 2006, 3:59pm
blissyu2   Please don't misunderstand things. Bans are n...   Mon 29th May 2006, 4:09pm
Lir   He should be unbanned, because his behaviour was n...   Mon 29th May 2006, 4:51pm
blissyu2   I should perhaps link to all of the warnings that ...   Mon 29th May 2006, 5:38pm
Selina   my votes: 4 2 1   Mon 29th May 2006, 5:56pm
blissyu2   As I thought, we are 9-1 with people thinking he d...   Mon 29th May 2006, 7:10pm
Ryan Norton   I'm not entirely familiar with the situation, ...   Mon 29th May 2006, 7:30pm
Avillia   Let's just moderate the posts. We shouldn...   Mon 29th May 2006, 8:24pm
Lir   I agree, there is no reason amorrow can't at l...   Mon 29th May 2006, 9:38pm
Selina   mm, I suppose i was heavy handed. Yeah I agree, pe...   Mon 29th May 2006, 10:52pm
Blu Aardvark   I don't believe he should have been banned fro...   Mon 29th May 2006, 10:53pm
Selina   Maybe there was a hint but no compromise was offer...   Mon 29th May 2006, 10:58pm
Surfer   WP and WR have two different purposes; I think it ...   Tue 30th May 2006, 12:29am
Donny   Hmm. He seems to be using sock puppets to evade th...   Tue 30th May 2006, 1:20am
sgrayban   Amorrow's last email to me also states "H...   Tue 30th May 2006, 6:28am
danielshays   :( I don't think any regular member or contri...   Tue 30th May 2006, 6:48am
Donny   :( I don't think any regular member or contr...   Tue 30th May 2006, 8:11am
sgrayban   vote on mod/staff ? pfft must be affriad of me to ...   Tue 30th May 2006, 6:54am
Blu Aardvark   With recent events in mind, and the probable sockp...   Tue 30th May 2006, 8:36am
sgrayban   sockpuppet = clone I prefer clone instead. Which ...   Tue 30th May 2006, 9:11am
Herschelkrustofsky   sockpuppet = clone I prefer clone instead. Which...   Wed 31st May 2006, 6:08am
blissyu2   I think that we should go by what the poll says. ...   Tue 30th May 2006, 11:36am
Blu Aardvark   I initially voted to allow him back, but amorrow...   Wed 31st May 2006, 3:45am
Daniel Brandt   I'm getting copied on emails he's sending ...   Wed 31st May 2006, 3:58am
sgrayban   He even contacted a female work place on WP that i...   Wed 31st May 2006, 5:20am
sgrayban   Indeed   Wed 31st May 2006, 6:13am
blissyu2   I think that police should be called on him. I wo...   Wed 31st May 2006, 11:34am
Poetlister   I'm only a poor little statistician - I can...   Wed 31st May 2006, 11:40am
Blu Aardvark   I'm only a poor little statistician - I can...   Wed 31st May 2006, 11:47am
Poetlister   Plus, he's just damned freaky. I wouldn't...   Wed 31st May 2006, 12:18pm
sgrayban   Plus, he's just damned freaky. I wouldn...   Wed 31st May 2006, 11:48pm
guy   I'm a public figure in the linux world...... ...   Thu 1st June 2006, 8:52am
sgrayban   At this point in time I really could careless anym...   Thu 1st June 2006, 10:04am
RuleBritannica   Amorrow should be unbanned so that he can continue...   Thu 1st June 2006, 11:01pm
Donny   Amorrow should be unbanned so that he can continu...   Fri 2nd June 2006, 1:20am
blissyu2   Look, this issue is a legal issue more than anythi...   Fri 2nd June 2006, 6:20am
jdrand   I vote leave him banned. WR is often accused of be...   Tue 21st August 2007, 8:11pm
Rochelle   I vote leave him banned. WR is often accused of b...   Tue 21st August 2007, 8:20pm
blissyu2   Its only based on memory that we can recollect wha...   Tue 21st August 2007, 8:32pm


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