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post Tue 5th February 2008, 1:41pm
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<img alt="" height="1" width="1">Online petition asks Wikipedia to remove pictures of Muhammad
International Herald Tribune, France -14 minutes ago
By Noam Cohen An article about the Prophet Muhammad in the English-language Wikipedia has become the subject of an online protest in the last few weeks ...


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post Tue 5th February 2008, 2:03pm
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Wikipedia should not make deals with terrorists. Also they should not give into terrorism or the terrorists win.
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post Tue 5th February 2008, 4:35pm
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QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 5th February 2008, 9:03am) *

Wikipedia should not make deals with terrorists. Also they should not give into terrorism or the terrorists win.


Stop dragging terrorism into this. It makes you look like a moron. They are asking a corporation that publishes an encyclopedia to exercise editorial restraint in a manner that would respond to their values. Nothing more. You sound like a Wikipedian.
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post Tue 5th February 2008, 4:57pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 5th February 2008, 11:35am) *

QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 5th February 2008, 9:03am) *

Wikipedia should not make deals with terrorists. Also they should not give into terrorism or the terrorists win.


Stop dragging terrorism into this. It makes you look like a moron. They are asking a corporation that publishes an encyclopedia to exercise editorial restraint in a manner that would respond to their values. Nothing more. You sound like a Wikipedian.


I agree this isn't at all about terrorism at the root (that there may be extremists threatening things has no relevance to peaceful petitioners), it's about honoring the wishes of (some/most/nearly all?) adherents of a particular organised religion.

The question I have is what is the right thing to do and what precedent does doing the right thing set? How big does a religion need to be before not displaying things that religion's adherents don't like is the right thing? I agree about the bad PR aspects of this but wonder what course would have avoided them.
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post Tue 5th February 2008, 5:29pm
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QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 5th February 2008, 4:57pm) *

The question I have is what is the right thing to do and what precedent does doing the right thing set? How big does a religion need to be before not displaying things that religion's adherents don't like is the right thing? I agree about the bad PR aspects of this but wonder what course would have avoided them.


Well, the issue to me is that in this particular instance it was not a battle worth fighting - the picture did not add any historical accuracy or other academic quality. It does not need to be there. However, this has now turned into a debate on principle and precedent, so all bets are off for a rational outcome.

To me, this is a typical Wikipedian drama (argh! I'm turning into Moulton). By failing to grasp that there is a possibility of doing something because it can be done, rather than for some notion of ithe Greater Good of NPOV or We Are Not Censored, essentially pride and loss of face, they will always fall into these minefields. What makes this look rally bad to me, is on the one hand Wikipedia is deliberately setting itself against a well known issue of a religion (whether you agree with it or not) yet in its own backyard, it cannot apply the same rigour. Wikia and Wikipedia are clearly intertwined and there is documentary evidence to back up the assertion, yet there, to protect against the embarrassment caused by Jimbo and his dubious business arrangements, the rigour fades away.

I say, have your picture of Muhammed but then allow the Wikia article to admit that there is an inappropriate relationship between Wikia and Wikipedia. Then we will see how principled the project really is.
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Newsfeed   Online petition asks Wikipedia to remove pictures of Muhammad - International Herald Tribune   Tue 5th February 2008, 1:41pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Wikipedia should not make deals with terrorists. ...   Tue 5th February 2008, 2:08pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Lamont Stormstar: You know that the Supreme Court...   Tue 5th February 2008, 3:50pm
Lar   Wikipedia should not make deals with terrorists....   Tue 5th February 2008, 4:57pm
GlassBeadGame   I agree this isn't at all about terrorism at...   Tue 5th February 2008, 5:18pm
Disillusioned Lackey   I agree this isn't at all about terrorism at ...   Tue 5th February 2008, 5:40pm
Lar   [quote name='Lar' post='77335' date='Tue 5th Febr...   Wed 6th February 2008, 4:16pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='77339' date='T...   Wed 6th February 2008, 5:11pm
Disillusioned Lackey   The idea that a lack of censorship = "we can ...   Wed 6th February 2008, 5:21pm
Cedric   Wikipedia should not make deals with terrorists. ...   Tue 5th February 2008, 6:22pm
GlassBeadGame   Wikipedia should not make deals with terrorists....   Tue 5th February 2008, 7:43pm
LamontStormstar   The illustration of Muhammed issue first came to n...   Wed 6th February 2008, 2:54pm
GlassBeadGame   The illustration of Muhammed issue first came to ...   Wed 6th February 2008, 3:14pm
Moulton   WWJD? Forgive. WWBD? Laugh. WWMD? Beats me.   Wed 6th February 2008, 3:52pm
Moulton   Let me see if I have this straight... If tens of ...   Wed 6th February 2008, 4:25pm
Kato   Let me see if I have this straight... If tens of...   Wed 6th February 2008, 4:57pm
dogbiscuit   Although I am in danger of spreading into basic ph...   Wed 6th February 2008, 5:00pm


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