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post Wed 6th February 2008, 7:17am
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Here's a link to the check user made on

# Samiharris (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
# Mantanmoreland (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...Case/Samiharris

Conclusion:
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I don't for a minute think that Palabrazo [who made the request] is a curious bystander who just happened across this request. However, based on the standards I usually use, and pretending I don't know the history here, the evidence is sufficient to run a check. The answer is Inconclusive because one of these editors has only edited via open proxies. Thatcher 01:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Didn't Armed Blowfish get banned for edited via open proxies?

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post Wed 6th February 2008, 11:48pm
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Wikipedia is often compared to an MMORPG. But it's more like a huge paper RPG, where the GM is biased and the high level players like to gang up against everyone else.
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post Thu 7th February 2008, 12:04am
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QUOTE(Amarkov @ Wed 6th February 2008, 11:48pm) *

Wikipedia is often compared to an MMORPG. But it's more like a huge paper RPG, where the GM is biased and the high level players like to gang up against everyone else.

The question is, do Durova, GeorgeWilliamHerbert and JzG really believe that Samiharris and Mantanmoreland are not accounts run by Gary Weiss, or, are they just liars?
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QUOTE(jorge @ Wed 6th February 2008, 4:04pm) *

QUOTE(Amarkov @ Wed 6th February 2008, 11:48pm) *

Wikipedia is often compared to an MMORPG. But it's more like a huge paper RPG, where the GM is biased and the high level players like to gang up against everyone else.

The question is, do Durova, GeorgeWilliamHerbert and JzG really believe that Samiharris and Mantanmoreland are not accounts run by Gary Weiss, or, are they just liars?

I particularly liked this retort:
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The methods that have been used to pursue this deserve our principled opposition: ban evasion, malicious cookies, privacy invasion, etc. That is no way to settle anything and the Wikipedians who construe any merit in the substance of that accusation ought to have posted the RFCU themselves. They should also have either persuaded the individual to refrain from unethical methods or, at least, they should have declared their disapproval; failure to do so tarnishes the reputations of these otherwise upstanding Wikipedians, who ought not to be lending their credibility to underhanded endeavors. If someone wants to really pursue this, the letigimate method would be to post an analysis in user space detailing specifics from the public edit histories with diffs, such as this assertion that these two accounts answer questions that were posed to the other: where? when? how often? and for how long? Roll up your sleeves, dig through the diffs, and do actual research to give us a fair basis for discussion. DurovaCharge! 22:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Spoken like someone who truly knows how to roll up her sleeves, dig through the diffs, and come up with completely off-base accusations against dedicated contributors to the encyclopedia. Fozzie, this truly is amazing how it's drawing out all the best Wikipedia has to offer, and apparently offering them about 12 feet of self-threading noose-quality rope. -- Man On The Scene (talk) 00:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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Kato   Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Samiharris   Wed 6th February 2008, 7:17am
Derktar   We should see what develops in the next week or t...   Wed 6th February 2008, 7:24am
Herschelkrustofsky   When users are banned based on Checkuser evidence,...   Wed 6th February 2008, 7:34am
Lar   When users are banned based on Checkuser evidence...   Wed 6th February 2008, 12:49pm
Kato   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='77419' dat...   Wed 6th February 2008, 1:04pm
gomi   More evidence here of a double-standard. Slim, Ja...   Wed 6th February 2008, 8:21am
Viridae   Eiting from an open proxy is not banned, the accou...   Wed 6th February 2008, 8:54am
gomi   Eiting from an open proxy is not banned, the acco...   Wed 6th February 2008, 9:10pm
Kato   Oh deary me... :lol: JzG swoops in... * This s...   Wed 6th February 2008, 10:46am
dogbiscuit   Oh deary me... :lol: JzG [url=http://en.wikipe...   Wed 6th February 2008, 11:10am
WordBomb   Oh deary me... :lol: JzG [url=http://en.wikipe...   Wed 6th February 2008, 6:16pm
LamontStormstar   If they delete the RfCU based on the convenient p...   Wed 6th February 2008, 8:15pm
guy   I insist they also delete the entire article on [...   Wed 6th February 2008, 11:07pm
Robster   Editing via open proxies may not be banned -- but ...   Wed 6th February 2008, 12:11pm
LamontStormstar   You know I've seen enough socks banned for ans...   Wed 6th February 2008, 2:39pm
guy   If they can't get a positive Checkuser they us...   Wed 6th February 2008, 5:36pm
Aloft   Looks like the party has moved to WP:AN now.   Wed 6th February 2008, 11:13pm
Derktar   Looks like the party has moved to WP:AN now. Qui...   Wed 6th February 2008, 11:20pm
jorge   The hypocrisy is quite incredible. If these accoun...   Wed 6th February 2008, 11:41pm
Amarkov   Wikipedia is often compared to an MMORPG. But it...   Wed 6th February 2008, 11:48pm
jorge   Wikipedia is often compared to an MMORPG. But it...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:04am
Amarkov   This is an opportunity to get some experience poin...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:08am
Kato   Heerres[color=red]JzG What? :blink: [i]Judd Bag...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:09am
Nathan   Back when I was a lad I was taught that anythign c...   Thu 7th February 2008, 1:34am
dtobias   WordBomb, if the user that started the Checkuser r...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:14am
jorge   WordBomb, if the user that started the Checkuser ...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:21am
Derktar   WordBomb, if the user that started the Checkuser...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:24am
Amarkov   [quote name='jorge' post='77561' date='Wed 6th Fe...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:28am
WordBomb   WordBomb, if the user that started the Checkuser r...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:45am
Amarkov   I'm perfectly willing to start a discussion on...   Thu 7th February 2008, 2:52am
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Kato   Why isn't this being handled by Arbcom? In the...   Thu 7th February 2008, 8:30am
Aloft   As soon as Weiss is gone, I'll be gone.You rea...   Thu 7th February 2008, 7:19am
Amarkov   I would've been willing to bring it up, if som...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:23am
Robster   You could bring an ironclad case, with IP address ...   Thu 7th February 2008, 12:30am
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jorge   Entertaining as it is watching the usual subjects...   Thu 7th February 2008, 1:12am
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Kato   I'm afraid so. I would find it difficult to b...   Thu 7th February 2008, 6:42am
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