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| Jonny Cache |
Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:00pm
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τα δε μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε
        
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"In order to learn you must desire to learn …""Ay, there's the rub …"What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought? Well, I know the dynamics of our own sweet Etopia well enough to know that nothing so meditative will compete with the Main Distraction on the Midway this week … or the next … but I thought I might leave this note to self, just in case things get dull toward the Ides. P.S. I was going to call it Wiki-Induced Learning Disorder but the acronym WILD might have made it sound like a good thing. Jonny This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:01pm
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| Jonny Cache |
Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:57pm
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Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was interested in that. QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 9:00am)  "In order to learn you must desire to learn …"
"Ay, there's the rub …"
What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought?
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| Kato |
Mon 3rd March 2008, 10:51pm
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:57pm)  Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was interested in that. QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 9:00am)  "In order to learn you must desire to learn …"
"Ay, there's the rub …"
What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought?
Try and think of a hypothetical scenario. Imagine, say, that yourself, me, Herschelkrustofsky and Jimbo Wales created a small wiki where we were trying to create a series of pieces analysing the rules of golf. The four of us are using this wiki privately, collaborating betweem us, with the aim of presenting a finished body of work for the public consumption. What could go wrong? What are the pitfalls? Are there any pitfalls?
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| AB |
Tue 4th March 2008, 2:40am
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'...I will be generous and give you a week.'
    
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QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 10:51pm)  Try and think of a hypothetical scenario. Imagine, say, that yourself, me, Herschelkrustofsky and Jimbo Wales created a small wiki where we were trying to create a series of pieces analysing the rules of golf. The four of us are using this wiki privately, collaborating betweem us, with the aim of presenting a finished body of work for the public consumption.
What could go wrong? What are the pitfalls? Are there any pitfalls? Well, I'm thinking you, Jonny, and Herschel probably wouldn't get along with Jimmy. Where that would go would depend on who held the power. You probably should've used Persons A, B, C, and D, where none of them have ever heard of each other.
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| dogbiscuit |
Tue 4th March 2008, 8:05am
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Could you run through Verifiability not Truth once more?
       
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QUOTE(AB @ Tue 4th March 2008, 2:40am)  QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 10:51pm)  Try and think of a hypothetical scenario. Imagine, say, that yourself, me, Herschelkrustofsky and Jimbo Wales created a small wiki where we were trying to create a series of pieces analysing the rules of golf. The four of us are using this wiki privately, collaborating betweem us, with the aim of presenting a finished body of work for the public consumption.
What could go wrong? What are the pitfalls? Are there any pitfalls? Well, I'm thinking you, Jonny, and Herschel probably wouldn't get along with Jimmy. Where that would go would depend on who held the power. You probably should've used Persons A, B, C, and D, where none of them have ever heard of each other. Actually, the analysis has more legs because of it. Let's imagine Jimbo as the practical golfer, who is a little bit casual about the rules: what's the problem with moving the ball to a better position? Can't find the ball, I'll use this one. That was nearly in. He might be less than keen on a detailed analysis. Oh, and he is good friends with Mr Ping. On the other hand Jon might be the detailed theoretician who has never seen a golf club in his life, but has a tonne of source material, who insists on sticking by the sources in spite of the practical knowledge of the other three. Kato might be the irritating one who can never take anything seriously and is disrupting the editing by harmless but irrelevant witticisms.* It may be that H has already written the definitive work and does not take kindly to being corrected, hell, he wrote the rule book. Just because they are few in number, does not mean that they are isolated from the problems of a larger wiki. The major issue on any collaborative venture, even with a common goal, seems to be personality. *Always wanted an excuse to quote my school report.
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Jonny Cache Wiki-Induced Kognitive Insufficiency (WIKI) Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:00pm Kato A simple answer could be that the software discour... Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:16pm Jonny Cache
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People don't collaborate well. Especially not... Mon 3rd March 2008, 3:49pm  whatever
I understand the wish of many to deny what's ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 10:52pm   Jonny Cache
I understand the wish of many to deny what's... Tue 4th March 2008, 9:28pm D.A.F.
People don't collaborate well. Especially not... Tue 4th March 2008, 9:32pm  Jonny Cache
[quote name='whatever' post='82956' date='Mon 3rd... Tue 4th March 2008, 9:57pm   AB Yes, but what are the [i]specific features of Wik... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:18pm Moulton Wikipedia doesn't define itself as a Learning ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 5:32pm Jonny Cache
Wikipedia doesn't define itself as a Learning... Mon 3rd March 2008, 5:55pm Moulton Yes, a Learning Organization (in the sense of Pete... Mon 3rd March 2008, 6:17pm Jonny Cache
Yes, a Learning Organization (in the sense of Pet... Mon 3rd March 2008, 6:41pm AB What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:06pm Jonny Cache
[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='82950' date='Mon ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:32pm  AB As for the rest, it is not so much the moral fall... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:39pm   Jonny Cache
As for the rest, it is not so much the moral fal... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:48pm    AB Supposing that smearing, defamation, privacy viol... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:57pm     Jonny Cache
Supposing that smearing, defamation, privacy vio... Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:16pm      AB [quote name='AB' post='83033' date='Mon 3rd March... Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:23pm  Jonny Cache
Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was inte... Tue 4th March 2008, 3:45am Moulton As soon as you have two or more characters, you ha... Tue 4th March 2008, 8:08am Kato
As soon as you have two or more characters, you h... Tue 4th March 2008, 8:13am Moulton See? Just another variation on the generic vexago... Tue 4th March 2008, 12:39pm Jonny Cache Before I recount a few real life, er, wiki-½-life... Tue 4th March 2008, 1:13pm Moulton 1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social co... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:04pm Jonny Cache
1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social c... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:36pm  D.A.F.
2. Wikipartisans would probably say they have a s... Tue 4th March 2008, 11:08pm D.A.F.
1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social c... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:53pm  Jonny Cache
Anonymity does have a place, its place is everywh... Tue 4th March 2008, 11:01pm   D.A.F.
Anonymity does have a place, its place is everyw... Tue 4th March 2008, 11:21pm    Jonny Cache
[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83413' date='Tue ... Wed 5th March 2008, 3:29am     D.A.F. I don't think you carefully read to what you h... Wed 5th March 2008, 3:35am Moulton Overshadowing those two factors is a lamentable la... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:51pm Docknell
"In order to learn you must desire to learn ... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:21am Jonny Cache Blue-skying may be fine in the early years, but an... Wed 5th March 2008, 3:54am Kato
Blue-skying may be fine in the early years, but a... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:23pm  Jonny Cache
Blue-skying may be fine in the early years, but ... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:30pm Moulton There is no question that the erratic governance a... Wed 5th March 2008, 12:39pm Moulton [size=3][url=http://ultra.musenet.org:8020/media/W... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:49pm Kato Good post Moulton Wed 5th March 2008, 3:43pm Jonny Cache
Good post Moulton
Yup, it's such a good pos... Wed 5th March 2008, 4:00pm Moulton That 5-stage model is due to Professor Rene Girard... Wed 5th March 2008, 4:13pm Jonny Cache
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[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83725' date='Wed ... Thu 6th March 2008, 1:30pm    AB [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83725' date='Wed... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:21pm Moulton Your call for causes of an effect on the human psy... Wed 5th March 2008, 7:59pm Jonny Cache
Your call for causes of an effect on the human ps... Wed 5th March 2008, 8:18pm  Milton Roe
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[quote name='Jon... Mon 9th June 2008, 6:02pm   AB For women with any paranoia at all, it plays into... Thu 6th March 2008, 12:29am The Joy I just don't picture WP as a learning communit... Thu 6th March 2008, 12:42am Docknell
I just don't picture WP as a learning communi... Thu 6th March 2008, 1:27am Moulton Wikipedia is a wonderful place to make the acquain... Thu 6th March 2008, 1:51am Kato This blog posting deals with this topic somewhat
... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:13am Somey (dammit I really think we need a "crows nest... Thu 6th March 2008, 7:32am Jonny Cache
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... Thu 6th March 2008, 3:56pm Moulton The drive to punish transgressors is one of those ... Thu 6th March 2008, 7:00am D.A.F.
The drive to punish transgressors is one of those... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:44pm whatever Okay, third time may be the charm.
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