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| Jonny Cache |
Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:00pm
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"In order to learn you must desire to learn …""Ay, there's the rub …"What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought? Well, I know the dynamics of our own sweet Etopia well enough to know that nothing so meditative will compete with the Main Distraction on the Midway this week … or the next … but I thought I might leave this note to self, just in case things get dull toward the Ides. P.S. I was going to call it Wiki-Induced Learning Disorder but the acronym WILD might have made it sound like a good thing. Jonny This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:01pm
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Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was interested in that. QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 9:00am)  "In order to learn you must desire to learn …"
"Ay, there's the rub …"
What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought?
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| Kato |
Mon 3rd March 2008, 10:51pm
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:57pm)  Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was interested in that. QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 9:00am)  "In order to learn you must desire to learn …"
"Ay, there's the rub …"
What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought?
Try and think of a hypothetical scenario. Imagine, say, that yourself, me, Herschelkrustofsky and Jimbo Wales created a small wiki where we were trying to create a series of pieces analysing the rules of golf. The four of us are using this wiki privately, collaborating betweem us, with the aim of presenting a finished body of work for the public consumption. What could go wrong? What are the pitfalls? Are there any pitfalls?
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| Jonny Cache |
Tue 4th March 2008, 3:45am
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QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 5:51pm)  QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:57pm)  Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was interested in that. QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 3rd March 2008, 9:00am)  "In order to learn you must desire to learn …"
"Ay, there's the rub …"
What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought?
Try and think of a hypothetical scenario. Imagine, say, that yourself, me, Herschelkrustofsky and Jimbo Wales created a small wiki where we were trying to create a series of pieces analysing the rules of golf. The four of us are using this wiki privately, collaborating betweem us, with the aim of presenting a finished body of work for the public consumption. What could go wrong? What are the pitfalls? Are there any pitfalls? Let me inject a little realism. I have scene enough real scenarios — in all kinds of collaborations, in all manner of media, with all sorts of software tools in the mix, in and out of wikis, with a passing nod to Wikipedia — that I hardly have to rely on hokey hypotheticals. I could tell you the kinds of players that I saw play a part over a large number of scenes, acts, stages, and theatres of Wikipandemonia. And I could tell you the sorts of scenarios that I witnessed actually develop there over time. So who needs imagination? Doesn't the reality of Wikipedia constantly exceed the range of our outgunned imaginations? Doesn't the absurdity that Wikipedia cranks out on a daily basis put to shame our puny capacities for parody? I think the answer is clear. So let me arrange a modest repertory of real scenarios I've scene. But tomorrow … Jonny This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Tue 4th March 2008, 3:51am
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Jonny Cache Wiki-Induced Kognitive Insufficiency (WIKI) Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:00pm Kato A simple answer could be that the software discour... Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:16pm Jonny Cache
A simple answer could be that the software discou... Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:54pm whatever People don't collaborate well. Especially not ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:27pm Jonny Cache
People don't collaborate well. Especially not... Mon 3rd March 2008, 3:49pm  whatever
I understand the wish of many to deny what's ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 10:52pm   Jonny Cache
I understand the wish of many to deny what's... Tue 4th March 2008, 9:28pm D.A.F.
People don't collaborate well. Especially not... Tue 4th March 2008, 9:32pm  Jonny Cache
[quote name='whatever' post='82956' date='Mon 3rd... Tue 4th March 2008, 9:57pm   AB Yes, but what are the [i]specific features of Wik... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:18pm Moulton Wikipedia doesn't define itself as a Learning ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 5:32pm Jonny Cache
Wikipedia doesn't define itself as a Learning... Mon 3rd March 2008, 5:55pm Moulton Yes, a Learning Organization (in the sense of Pete... Mon 3rd March 2008, 6:17pm Jonny Cache
Yes, a Learning Organization (in the sense of Pet... Mon 3rd March 2008, 6:41pm AB What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:06pm Jonny Cache
[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='82950' date='Mon ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:32pm  AB As for the rest, it is not so much the moral fall... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:39pm   Jonny Cache
As for the rest, it is not so much the moral fal... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:48pm    AB Supposing that smearing, defamation, privacy viol... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:57pm     Jonny Cache
Supposing that smearing, defamation, privacy vio... Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:16pm      AB [quote name='AB' post='83033' date='Mon 3rd March... Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:23pm  AB Try and think of a hypothetical scenario. Imagine... Tue 4th March 2008, 2:40am   dogbiscuit
Try and think of a hypothetical scenario. Imagin... Tue 4th March 2008, 8:05am Moulton As soon as you have two or more characters, you ha... Tue 4th March 2008, 8:08am Kato
As soon as you have two or more characters, you h... Tue 4th March 2008, 8:13am Moulton See? Just another variation on the generic vexago... Tue 4th March 2008, 12:39pm Jonny Cache Before I recount a few real life, er, wiki-½-life... Tue 4th March 2008, 1:13pm Moulton 1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social co... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:04pm Jonny Cache
1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social c... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:36pm  D.A.F.
2. Wikipartisans would probably say they have a s... Tue 4th March 2008, 11:08pm D.A.F.
1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social c... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:53pm  Jonny Cache
Anonymity does have a place, its place is everywh... Tue 4th March 2008, 11:01pm   D.A.F.
Anonymity does have a place, its place is everyw... Tue 4th March 2008, 11:21pm    Jonny Cache
[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83413' date='Tue ... Wed 5th March 2008, 3:29am     D.A.F. I don't think you carefully read to what you h... Wed 5th March 2008, 3:35am Moulton Overshadowing those two factors is a lamentable la... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:51pm Docknell
"In order to learn you must desire to learn ... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:21am Jonny Cache Blue-skying may be fine in the early years, but an... Wed 5th March 2008, 3:54am Kato
Blue-skying may be fine in the early years, but a... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:23pm  Jonny Cache
Blue-skying may be fine in the early years, but ... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:30pm Moulton There is no question that the erratic governance a... Wed 5th March 2008, 12:39pm Moulton [size=3][url=http://ultra.musenet.org:8020/media/W... Wed 5th March 2008, 1:49pm Kato Good post Moulton Wed 5th March 2008, 3:43pm Jonny Cache
Good post Moulton
Yup, it's such a good pos... Wed 5th March 2008, 4:00pm Moulton That 5-stage model is due to Professor Rene Girard... Wed 5th March 2008, 4:13pm Jonny Cache
That 5-stage model is due to Professor Rene Girar... Wed 5th March 2008, 7:42pm  AB The mission — and nothing says you have to acce... Wed 5th March 2008, 8:39pm   Jonny Cache
[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83725' date='Wed ... Thu 6th March 2008, 1:30pm    AB [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83725' date='Wed... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:21pm Moulton Your call for causes of an effect on the human psy... Wed 5th March 2008, 7:59pm Jonny Cache
Your call for causes of an effect on the human ps... Wed 5th March 2008, 8:18pm  Milton Roe
Some of us already accept the idea that anonymity... Wed 5th March 2008, 8:43pm   Jonny Cache
[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83730' date='Wed ... Wed 5th March 2008, 9:12pm    Jon Awbrey Recycling De Cache …
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[quote name='Jon... Mon 9th June 2008, 6:02pm   AB For women with any paranoia at all, it plays into... Thu 6th March 2008, 12:29am The Joy I just don't picture WP as a learning communit... Thu 6th March 2008, 12:42am Docknell
I just don't picture WP as a learning communi... Thu 6th March 2008, 1:27am Moulton Wikipedia is a wonderful place to make the acquain... Thu 6th March 2008, 1:51am Kato This blog posting deals with this topic somewhat
... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:13am Somey (dammit I really think we need a "crows nest... Thu 6th March 2008, 7:32am Jonny Cache
This blog posting deals with this topic somewhat
... Thu 6th March 2008, 3:56pm Moulton The drive to punish transgressors is one of those ... Thu 6th March 2008, 7:00am D.A.F.
The drive to punish transgressors is one of those... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:44pm whatever Okay, third time may be the charm.
So anonymity s... Thu 6th March 2008, 2:13pm Moulton [b][url=http://underground.musenet.org:8080/utnebu... Mon 9th June 2008, 7:34pm Jon Awbrey
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