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| Jonny Cache |
Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:00pm
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"In order to learn you must desire to learn …""Ay, there's the rub …"What is it, then, about Wikipedia, if not indeed about the whole wiki paradigm, that is proving to be such a massive failure in promoting the sharing of information, learning, knowledge, wisdom, all that good stuff — at least once that critical threshold is passed, in the direction of increasingly uncritical thought? Well, I know the dynamics of our own sweet Etopia well enough to know that nothing so meditative will compete with the Main Distraction on the Midway this week … or the next … but I thought I might leave this note to self, just in case things get dull toward the Ides. P.S. I was going to call it Wiki-Induced Learning Disorder but the acronym WILD might have made it sound like a good thing. Jonny This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Mon 3rd March 2008, 2:01pm
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| D.A.F. |
Tue 4th March 2008, 10:53pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Tue 4th March 2008, 5:04pm)  1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social contract.
Anonymity does have a place, its place is everywhere other than articles namespace. As simple as that.
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| D.A.F. |
Tue 4th March 2008, 11:21pm
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th March 2008, 6:01pm)  QUOTE(Xidaf @ Tue 4th March 2008, 5:53pm)  Anonymity does have a place, its place is everywhere other than articles namespace. As simple as that.
You either have Principles or you don't. You can't claim to honor a Principle of Verifiability in Article space while failling to honor it in Policy space. Wikipedia proves time and again the absurbity of thinking that you can maintain a double standard in regard to basic principles. Jonny  Here is where I disagree, I think the exchange of knowledge is essential and that everyone has to have a word. Anonymity could even have a role as sometimes sources which one could not usually provide under his true name (under the fear of being accused of anti- or pro- etc.) would do it anonymously. On the other hand, the way those informations are presented, balanced, filtrated etc., and then given to the population should be where we should be cautious about. The final product of the exchange of information is the article itself. So, basically. *Exchange of information, anonymity is OK *Presentation of the exchange of information, which final product is the article, full disclosure, no anonimity. Also, the exchange of information should not be accessed unless someone is registered and logged. This post has been edited by Xidaf: Tue 4th March 2008, 11:22pm
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| Jonny Cache |
Wed 5th March 2008, 3:29am
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QUOTE(Xidaf @ Tue 4th March 2008, 6:21pm)  QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th March 2008, 6:01pm)  QUOTE(Xidaf @ Tue 4th March 2008, 5:53pm)  Anonymity does have a place, its place is everywhere other than articles namespace. As simple as that.
You either have Principles or you don't. You can't claim to honor a Principle of Verifiability in Article space while failing to honor it in Policy space. Wikipedia proves time and again the absurdity of thinking that you can maintain a double standard in regard to basic principles. Jonny  Here is where I disagree, I think the exchange of knowledge is essential and that everyone has to have a word. Anonymity could even have a role as sometimes sources which one could not usually provide under his true name (under the fear of being accused of anti- or pro- etc.) would do it anonymously. On the other hand, the way those informations are presented, balanced, filtrated etc., and then given to the population should be where we should be cautious about. The final product of the exchange of information is the article itself. So, basically. * Exchange of information, anonymity is OK. * Presentation of the exchange of information, which final product is the article, full disclosure, no anonymity. Also, the exchange of information should not be accessed unless someone is registered and logged. Where have you been? You are talking like one of those first-year librarian bloggers who just heard about Wikipedia and thinks it sounds like a really hyper-cool idea but hasn't actually registered a full-blooded account yet. There's nothing even half-way reality-based to respond to in your remarks. Jonny This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 5th March 2008, 3:06pm
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| D.A.F. |
Wed 5th March 2008, 3:35am
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I don't think you carefully read to what you have replied. What I have presented doesn't look like Wikipedia at all. QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th March 2008, 10:29pm)  QUOTE(Xidaf @ Tue 4th March 2008, 6:21pm)  QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 4th March 2008, 6:01pm)  QUOTE(Xidaf @ Tue 4th March 2008, 5:53pm)  Anonymity does have a place, its place is everywhere other than articles namespace. As simple as that.
You either have Principles or you don't. You can't claim to honor a Principle of Verifiability in Article space while failling to honor it in Policy space. Wikipedia proves time and again the absurbity of thinking that you can maintain a double standard in regard to basic principles. Jonny  Here is where I disagree, I think the exchange of knowledge is essential and that everyone has to have a word. Anonymity could even have a role as sometimes sources which one could not usually provide under his true name (under the fear of being accused of anti- or pro- etc.) would do it anonymously. On the other hand, the way those informations are presented, balanced, filtrated etc., and then given to the population should be where we should be cautious about. The final product of the exchange of information is the article itself. So, basically. * Exchange of information, anonymity is OK * Presentation of the exchange of information, which final product is the article, full disclosure, no anonimity. Also, the exchange of information should not be accessed unless someone is registered and logged. Where have you been? You are talking like one of those first-year librarian bloggers who just heard about Wikipedia and think it sounds like a really hyper-cool idea but haven't actually registered a full-blooded account yet. There's nothing even half-way reality-based to respond to in your remarks. Jonny 
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[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='82950' date='Mon ... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:32pm  AB As for the rest, it is not so much the moral fall... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:39pm   Jonny Cache
As for the rest, it is not so much the moral fal... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:48pm    AB Supposing that smearing, defamation, privacy viol... Mon 3rd March 2008, 7:57pm     Jonny Cache
Supposing that smearing, defamation, privacy vio... Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:16pm      AB [quote name='AB' post='83033' date='Mon 3rd March... Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:23pm Jonny Cache Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was intere... Mon 3rd March 2008, 8:57pm Kato
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Repeating the lead, just in case anyone was inte... Tue 4th March 2008, 3:45am Moulton As soon as you have two or more characters, you ha... Tue 4th March 2008, 8:08am Kato
As soon as you have two or more characters, you h... Tue 4th March 2008, 8:13am Moulton See? Just another variation on the generic vexago... Tue 4th March 2008, 12:39pm Jonny Cache Before I recount a few real life, er, wiki-½-life... Tue 4th March 2008, 1:13pm Jonny Cache
1. Anonymity.
2. Lack of a functional social c... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:36pm  D.A.F.
2. Wikipartisans would probably say they have a s... Tue 4th March 2008, 11:08pm Moulton Overshadowing those two factors is a lamentable la... Tue 4th March 2008, 10:51pm Docknell
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Good post Moulton
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[quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83725' date='Wed ... Thu 6th March 2008, 1:30pm    AB [quote name='Jonny Cache' post='83725' date='Wed... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:21pm Moulton Your call for causes of an effect on the human psy... Wed 5th March 2008, 7:59pm Jonny Cache
Your call for causes of an effect on the human ps... Wed 5th March 2008, 8:18pm  Milton Roe
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... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:13am Somey (dammit I really think we need a "crows nest... Thu 6th March 2008, 7:32am Jonny Cache
This blog posting deals with this topic somewhat
... Thu 6th March 2008, 3:56pm Moulton The drive to punish transgressors is one of those ... Thu 6th March 2008, 7:00am D.A.F.
The drive to punish transgressors is one of those... Thu 6th March 2008, 4:44pm whatever Okay, third time may be the charm.
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