Overstock vs. Wikipedia, She kidnapped herself Options

That connect rests on a trip to India, and so far as I'm concerned, proves only family relationship, not identity. The rest of the connections only amount to an editing/sock/meat conspiracy within WP to do COI editing on financial articles, which is quite a different thing.

Are you LessHeard vanU?

I believe LessHeard is LessHorrid vanU here. I could be wrong of course.

That is correct.

But again you are, as they like to say Over There, poisoning the well without making any useful observation as to what the issues might be: produce some specific information that you feel marks WordBomb down as being acting with malice and disinformation rather in defence of a pretty offensive and at times childish real world attack from someone with a track record of deception.

Ok you got me. On the one hand I want to agree with UV, and lay off the personal stuff. On the other I think it's important to consider the source. The specific information you are looking for is out there, I just don't want this thread to be tarpitted if I lay it out. It's easy enough to find if you look for it.

Milton, what do you think of the relation between Mantanmoreland and Samiharris? Do you think one is the sock of the other? If yes why was a sock used?

That's a good question. Of course, the last part of it is easier to answer. Samiharris (SH) is a very sophisticated sock, one never used anyplace other than with a proxified anonymizer, and thus immune to checkuser. There's only one reason to create such an account on WP: fear of checkuser. Which you have no need of, unless you're posting from another account, too. Thus, SH is a second generation sock-- one created by somebody on WP who's been caught by checkuser before.

SH is also a VERY specific sock, created with a single purpose: to edit short-selling/Overstock/Weiss/Bagley related articles in a neutral tone, with very careful citation. SH works hard not to have any fancy language or violate any WP rules. The only other topics SH edits are a few financial/investment guru bios.

SH is also created rather late-- in Jan, 2007. A year after Mantanmoreland (MM) first shows up, and sometime after MM's proven socks LE (Lastexit) and Tomstoner (TS) have been caught by conventional means. LE when Bauder nailed him with checkuser. TS when he and MM were caught editing each other's comments, forgetting who they were. So SH learns from this, and never makes any of these mistakes. Nevertheless, in edit summaries, where there's less time to think because the edit is waiting to be saved, SH and MM have very similar styles, and were caught using the same tics. Not so much when they get to writing prose. But SH is a very spare and economical writer. Almost as though afraid to say too much.

Now, WordBomb claims to have evidence that once, SH was caught using an IP at the same time GW was. The SH evidence being his logging into a webpage AS SH, and the GW evidence being from his being teased into looking at something on the web that only GW would be interested in, right then. So if you believe this, SH is certainly operated at least by GW. This is in keeping with his relative absense in editing in Oct 2007, when Weiss also almost disappears from his blog. Neither one quite goes away, but the gap is noticable.

That doesn't mean SH is entirely GW's sock. SH appears only a few months AFTER GW goes to India with MM to marry, and the socks operated by "MM" and LE have been nailed. It's quite possible SH is operated by both GW and his wife. Also the same for MM, which also takes a later mini-vacation in Nov 2007 (a year after the marriage), when editing of SH and also the Weiss blog drop.

Okay, why do I bring in the wife? Well, because I've probably been wrong about MM's origins, and certainly about the DTCC IP origins. I knew some (not all) of MM's postings didn't fit with GW. And I rejected MM and the DTCC IP as the Indian wife because according to Wordbomb she was busy working at the UN. But apparently she was busy doing other stuff also.

Remember how we know MM and GW are very close: they both mention Varkala, a dinky town in the south of Kerala state in southwest India. Varkala, population 40,000 is the seashore area of Kerala state. Weiss and wife marry there. Obviously the wife, an Indian national, is from that area. MM's edit times shift to India when Weiss (as we know from his blog) goes there to marry in Oct 2006. So they're either the same person or family. This I've said.

But, there's the matter of MM editing the St. Joseph's Church article Dec 25, 2006 and Jan 19, 2007. The last time apparently from the IP address of 207.45.43.68, which is the DTCC building. From this, Wordbomb infers a Weiss conspiracy with the DTCC to shortsell the Western world. I didn't believe it.

Well, I already looked at that IP's history, and noted that whoever operates it has been interested in film and India (lately, India economics). The first is Mantanmoreland's passion, and the second, of course is the wife's.

Now, couldn't GW, having married an East Indian wife, simply be interested in Indian topics? Yes, but we need to find out how that DTCC IP started. What was it interested in, on WP, before anybody knew it, or it knew it would be looked AT? It's like looking at the first murder of a serial killer-- often it's somebody personally known to them. So I just did what I should have done before, and Wordbomb should have done also (neener, neener, Wordbomb). I looked at that IP's first edit from the DTCC building, which occurs on April 11, 2005, a year before MM appears. It's to the TALK section of a long-renamed article on the "Namboothiri" (now renamed the Nambudiri for the WP article). Who were these? Why, they were the Brahmin lords of Kerala. You know, that state where Weiss wife is from, and where they got married? Wups, crap. This IP was originally the account of the not-yet-to-be Ms. Weiss. Who was working in the DTCC and editing WP from it, on the topic of the history of her home state, in April 2005, a year and a half before going back to Kerala to marry Weiss. The only other alternative is to imagine that Weiss way back in 2005, with his consultant badge and all, was using DTCC computers in 2005 to edit India articles, in just the way Wordbomb has suggested he's editing Catholic Church articles in 2007. This gets to be a very tall tale.

Other edits are also interesting from this early 2005 pre MM period (remember, MM only appears in Jan 2006). There's one about Tata Consultancy, an Indian software and business firm located not to far from Kerala, with offices in Mumbai on the West coast of India. And there's an entry from EGL, a computer development language. It's possible Ms. Weiss was in the DTCC doing student study on business. But it was also possible that she was on their computer system because she was coding for them. Just because Weiss may not be a tech type, doesn't mean his wife isn't. It would explain a lot about how much better SH is than Weiss' previous socks.

Now, who is Mantanmoreland, who first comes along (knowing all the ropes of WP, BTW) in Jan 2006, 9 months after the first DTCC IP edit? Well, by 2007 it's both the Weisses. There exist late MM comments (after the marriage) where the MM account switches back and forth the between colloquial American language, and stilted British India snideness (calling somebody's edit "nonsensical," for instance), within a space of 8 hours. A single account doesn't mean there's one person running it! Just because we usually look for two accounts and one person, doesn’t mean we sometimes won't find two people and one account. but I don't know who started the MM account originally in Jan 2006, because even though we know it went to India with the Weisses later that year in October 2006, it could have gone to India because of either of them.

In the early period (2005), the IP that we think is the-now-Ms. Weiss was interested mostly in Kerala, India, which makes me think it was originally Ms. Weiss. By the end of 2006, when both the DTTC IP and MM (which now had existed for a year) were editing the Catholic Church article, MM actually asks the DTCC IP to edit on a name-user basis. Then apologizes, saying he's "figured it out". I'll bet he has, since he's already married to the IP user, and now realizes who it is, duh. But I think here they're editing from different sites on the same topic (perhaps a place they'd both visited for Christmas), using the same account, without realizing the other is on. Or else it's a really clever ruse for MM to try to cover his DTCC IP. But that IP was interested in non-Weiss topics long before MM arrived. It may even be that here, in Dec or Jan 2006, is where Weiss and future wife meet.

So that's where I am. No firm conclusions, except that I think we can put Weiss' future wife in the DTCC in April 2005, long before Weiss is supposed to have been there. And doing that, we have no need for Weiss to go there in 2007. What's the point? If he wants to know what's going on in there, he's got a spy already. One busily studying the fine points of short selling for business school, and pillow-talking about it, with hubby.

-- Milt

This post has been edited by Milton Roe: Sat 8th March 2008, 5:06am

The only thing they are right about is that Wordbomb and Piperdown are in some way connected to Overstock, and this is something they freely admit to.

And if they said that much they were wrong. I don't believe Piperdown has any connection to Overstock.com.

I don't think anyone has claimed he was since the disastrous ANI thread back in January. I certainly don't think anyone believes so now. I think jorge may have meant to say "PatrickByrne".

Well, you obviously haven't looked at it in that much detail as the account that was caught by fixing a previous edit was Tom Stoner not LastExit . Would you like to tell us whether you are an editor/Arbitrator on Wikipedia? However hard you claim to have looked at this evidence I think you came to the conclusion which you had wanted to come to, not the one that the evidence suggests is true.

LE and Tombstoner (TOMBSTONER) are both essentially MM socks (though I think that LE was actually set up originally by Weiss for his elderly uncle in New Mexico), and yes, I had them backwards. TS was caught by edit and LE by checkuser. So what?

Do you not realise that it is known that Weiss has admitted in emails that he is Mantanmoreland/Samiharris?

Nope, I didn't realize this is "known". Cite your sources.

It think Weiss has plausable deniability for SH because his wife often operates that account. And they created it together after getting married. Same for the MM account before they got married, though I don't really know who that belonged to originally. Since it was probably created after they met, they may have put this one together also.

-Milt

It think Weiss has plausable deniability for SH because his wife often operates that account. And they created it together after getting married. Same for the MM account before they got married, though I don't really know who that belonged to originally. Since it was probably created after they met, they may have put this one together also.

I don't know how it became accepted that they got married during the 10/2006 trip to India. They were married two or three years earlier. Mantanmoreland was created within the bonds of matrimony. Samiharris was a little bit of a surprise caboose. But those things happen.

Just for you, Milt, I'm posting something I was saving for a special occasion.

So we know from CHL's analysis of Mantanmoreland's WP editing times that while GW was in India, his volume slowed dramatically and his offline time shifted about 11 hours. So we know that about MM.

What do we know about GW during the same time?

How about his blogging output?

The following graph (rotated 90 degrees relative to CHL's) looks at GW's blog post timestamps over a 14 month period, beginning with his first post on 1/19/2006.

Note the period corresponding to MM's timeshift and drop in editing volume is highlighted yellow here, and corresponds precisely with a distinct timeshift and drop in GW blog output.
[imgx]http://antisocialmedia.net/media/weissblog-time.gif[/imgx]
Interesting, no?

re: Your data tracking

I wonder if it has occurred to GW that he pissed off the wrong person.

Yet more circumstantial evidence from an accuser.

Thanks for the reply, which makes sense. But I don't see how this makes Weiss situation any better. As even in your version he is implicated.

Milton, what do you think of the relation between Mantanmoreland and Samiharris? Do you think one is the sock of the other? If yes why was a sock used?

That's a good question. Of course, the last part of it is easier to answer. Samiharris (SH) is a very sophisticated sock, one never used anyplace other than with a proxified anonymizer, and thus immune to checkuser. There's only one reason to create such an account on WP: fear of checkuser. Which you have no need of, unless you're posting from another account, too. Thus, SH is a second generation sock-- one created by somebody on WP who's been caught by checkuser before.

SH is also a VERY specific sock, created with a single purpose: to edit short-selling/Overstock/Weiss/Bagley related articles in a neutral tone, with very careful citation. SH works hard not to have any fancy language or violate any WP rules. The only other topics SH edits are a few financial/investment guru bios.

SH is also created rather late-- in Jan, 2007. A year after Mantanmoreland (MM) first shows up, and sometime after MM's proven socks LE (Lastexit) and Tomstoner (TS) have been caught by conventional means. LE when Bauder nailed him with checkuser. TS when he and MM were caught editing each other's comments, forgetting who they were. So SH learns from this, and never makes any of these mistakes. Nevertheless, in edit summaries, where there's less time to think because the edit is waiting to be saved, SH and MM have very similar styles, and were caught using the same tics. Not so much when they get to writing prose. But SH is a very spare and economical writer. Almost as though afraid to say too much.

Now, WordBomb claims to have evidence that once, SH was caught using an IP at the same time GW was. The SH evidence being his logging into a webpage AS SH, and the GW evidence being from his being teased into looking at something on the web that only GW would be interested in, right then. So if you believe this, SH is certainly operated at least by GW. This is in keeping with his relative absense in editing in Oct 2007, when Weiss also almost disappears from his blog. Neither one quite goes away, but the gap is noticable.

That doesn't mean SH is entirely GW's sock. SH appears only a few months AFTER GW goes to India with MM to marry, and the socks operated by "MM" and LE have been nailed. It's quite possible SH is operated by both GW and his wife. Also the same for MM, which also takes a later mini-vacation in Nov 2007 (a year after the marriage), when editing of SH and also the Weiss blog drop.

Okay, why do I bring in the wife? Well, because I've probably been wrong about MM's origins, and certainly about the DTCC IP origins. I knew some (not all) of MM's postings didn't fit with GW. And I rejected MM and the DTCC IP as the Indian wife because according to Wordbomb she was busy working at the UN. But apparently she was busy doing other stuff also.

Remember how we know MM and GW are very close: they both mention Varkala, a dinky town in the south of Kerala state in southwest India. Varkala, population 40,000 is the seashore area of Kerala state. Weiss and wife marry there. Obviously the wife, an Indian national, is from that area. MM's edit times shift to India when Weiss (as we know from his blog) goes there to marry in Oct 2006. So they're either the same person or family. This I've said.

But, there's the matter of MM editing the St. Joseph's Church article Dec 25, 2006 and Jan 19, 2007. The last time apparently from the IP address of 207.45.43.68, which is the DTCC building. From this, Wordbomb infers a Weiss conspiracy with the DTCC to shortsell the Western world. I didn't believe it.

Well, I already looked at that IP's history, and noted that whoever operates it has been interested in film and India (lately, India economics). The first is Mantanmoreland's passion, and the second, of course is the wife's.

Now, couldn't GW, having married an East Indian wife, simply be interested in Indian topics? Yes, but we need to find out how that DTCC IP started. What was it interested in, on WP, before anybody knew it, or it knew it would be looked AT? It's like looking at the first murder of a serial killer-- often it's somebody personally known to them. So I just did what I should have done before, and Wordbomb should have done also (neener, neener, Wordbomb). I looked at that IP's first edit from the DTCC building, which occurs on April 11, 2005, a year before MM appears. It's to the TALK section of a long-renamed article on the "Namboothiri" (now renamed the Nambudiri for the WP article). Who were these? Why, they were the Brahmin lords of Kerala. You know, that state where Weiss wife is from, and where they got married? Wups, crap. This IP was originally the account of the not-yet-to-be Ms. Weiss. Who was working in the DTCC and editing WP from it, on the topic of the history of her home state, in April 2005, a year and a half before going back to Kerala to marry Weiss. The only other alternative is to imagine that Weiss way back in 2005, with his consultant badge and all, was using DTCC computers in 2005 to edit India articles, in just the way Wordbomb has suggested he's editing Catholic Church articles in 2007. This gets to be a very tall tale.

Other edits are also interesting from this early 2005 pre MM period (remember, MM only appears in Jan 2006). There's one about Tata Consultancy, an Indian software and business firm located not to far from Kerala, with offices in Mumbai on the West coast of India. And there's an entry from EGL, a computer development language. It's possible Ms. Weiss was in the DTCC doing student study on business. But it was also possible that she was on their computer system because she was coding for them. Just because Weiss may not be a tech type, doesn't mean his wife isn't. It would explain a lot about how much better SH is than Weiss' previous socks.

Now, who is Mantanmoreland, who first comes along (knowing all the ropes of WP, BTW) in Jan 2006, 9 months after the first DTCC IP edit? Well, by 2007 it's both the Weisses. There exist late MM comments (after the marriage) where the MM account switches back and forth the between colloquial American language, and stilted British India snideness (calling somebody's edit "nonsensical," for instance), within a space of 8 hours. A single account doesn't mean there's one person running it! Just because we usually look for two accounts and one person, doesn’t mean we sometimes won't find two people and one account. but I don't know who started the MM account originally in Jan 2006, because even though we know it went to India with the Weisses later that year in October 2006, it could have gone to India because of either of them.

In the early period (2005), the IP that we think is the-now-Ms. Weiss was interested mostly in Kerala, India, which makes me think it was originally Ms. Weiss. By the end of 2006, when both the DTTC IP and MM (which now had existed for a year) were editing the Catholic Church article, MM actually asks the DTCC IP to edit on a name-user basis. Then apologizes, saying he's "figured it out". I'll bet he has, since he's already married to the IP user, and now realizes who it is, duh. But I think here they're editing from different sites on the same topic (perhaps a place they'd both visited for Christmas), using the same account, without realizing the other is on. Or else it's a really clever ruse for MM to try to cover his DTCC IP. But that IP was interested in non-Weiss topics long before MM arrived. It may even be that here, in Dec or Jan 2006, is where Weiss and future wife meet.

So that's where I am. No firm conclusions, except that I think we can put Weiss' future wife in the DTCC in April 2005, long before Weiss is supposed to have been there. And doing that, we have no need for Weiss to go there in 2007. What's the point? If he wants to know what's going on in there, he's got a spy already. One busily studying the fine points of short selling for business school, and pillow-talking about it, with hubby.

-- Milt

re: Your data tracking

I wonder if it has occurred to GW that he pissed off the wrong person.

It should have occured to SlimVirgin that she pissed off the wrong person (Bagley), since her real name and location and former identities and spy jobs and so on are now all over the net, when none of that had to be. But it will never occur to her that she shot herself in the foot by stepping on some "little person." She'll just feel persecuted, like all those people in prison convinced they got a bad rap from the Man. You can't really PUNISH a person without their consent, which consists of acknowledgement that at some level, they did something to put them in a situation where they had it coming. You cannot punish a sociopath-- all you can do is HURT them. But they learn nothing from it.

If you go around stepping on "little people" (and to WP admins in their own artificial world, everybody who doesn't have their D&D level looks like an insect), you've eventually going to find one you should have stepped on. It's a fact of nature. Thus, it behooves you to treat everybody with respect, hard as that might be. If you're a cop, you never know when the guy you rough up might be the favorite son of the mayor or the comissioner, or somebody else who has some connection that is going to make you wish you could live that day over again.

But I suppose I'm talking to myself.

--Milt

It should have occured to SlimVirgin that she pissed off the wrong person (Bagley), since her real name and location and former identities and spy jobs and so on are now all over the net, when none of that had to be.

Actually she can credit pissing off Daniel Brandt for that. He and the folks here on WR had established her identity and written extensively about it a few months before I arrived.

The first is that Gary Weiss is basically correct about the naked short seller conspiracy theorists being loons.

Hey UV, just thought you'd want to know the latest from that loony conspiracy theorist SEC Chairman Chris Cox. As you read it, keep in mind this rule is proposed to deal with the problem Gary Weiss (and more recently User:John Nevard) insists does not exist.
SEC Proposes Teeth for Short-Selling Rules
By JUDITH A. BURNS
Wall Street Journal

WASHINGTON -- Securities regulators voted 3-0 to propose a rule intended to crack down on lingering abuses involving so-called naked short sales and failures to deliver shares that have been used in such sales.

The proposal is part of a continuing attack by the Securities and Exchange Commission on short-sales abuses, an effort begun four years ago with the adoption of rules known as Regulation SHO.

Separately, the SEC voted to propose changes that could speed the introduction of exchange-traded funds, without review by federal regulators.

Short selling involves sales of borrowed shares, producing profits when prices decline, allowing the short seller to replace borrowed shares at a lower price.

In contrast, "naked" short sellers don't borrow shares before engaging in short selling, and they may have no intention of borrowing them.

Regulation SHO sought to curb such practices by requiring short sellers to locate shares for borrowing before engaging in short sales, but it did not include any new mechanism to enforce the requirement.

Under the proposal, the SEC would create an antifraud rule targeting those who knowingly deceive brokers about having located securities before engaging in short sales, and who fail to deliver the securities by the delivery date.

SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said the proposal would bring needed teeth to Regulation SHO and address concerns about short-selling abuses, particularly in the market for small-cap stocks. "Reg SHO can't be effective without enforcement," Mr. Cox said.

Even with the regulation in place, the SEC received hundreds of complaints last year about alleged abuses involving short sales. While most trades settle within three days, as required, the SEC estimates about 1% of shares that change hands daily, or about $1 billion, are subject to delivery failures.

The SEC's move last year to close off a "grandfather" exception to Regulation SHO, has done little to reduce longstanding delivery failures, according to preliminary data analyzed by SEC staff.

The SEC has yet to announce its plans for a separate pending proposal to scale back or eliminate an exemption for options market-makers.

Brokers who engage in short selling for customers would not face any new obligations under the proposed antifraud rule, and the SEC said it wouldn't apply to market makers engaging in market-making activities.

Although the SEC already has authority to sue illegal short sellers, SEC officials said a new rule explicitly targeted to naked short sales might affect behavior. SEC Commissioners Paul Atkins and Kathleen Casey expressed support for the crackdown on abusive sales but said they want to be sure it doesn't result in unintended consequences, such as driving legitimate short sales offshore.

didn't you hear? UV and Emperor believe Gary Weiss and the Hedge Funds, Broker-dealers, their moneychangersintheDTCCtemple scam, not the Chairman of the SEC, the California Supreme Court, and the mountains of FOIA WP:OR evidence that is emerging.

'cause Weiss wrote a book. Byrne hasn't. Case closed, you must wikiacquit!

Yet more circumstantial evidence from an accuser.

yet more evidence that your cheese is rotten.

Yet more circumstantial evidence from an accuser.

Well, yes; obviously someone who doesn't think he's GW won't come up with evidence for that fact, and unless someone wishes to install surveillance equipment on his computer, all evidence will be circumstantial. It seems to me that you wouldn't be satisfied with anything short of a clear, unambiguous confession.

It seems to me that you wouldn't be satisfied with anything short of a clear, unambiguous confession.

well then he in theory would be satisfied when the emails come out. I already am, because I know over my own verify-not-trust experiments and what disclosures on WR/WP they have already made, in general, and specifically about those emails, that JB doesn't bluff or lie. PB hasn't either.

these guys would make lousy poker players. GW and JW could probably take them for the whole pot in vegas.

One of GW's (and more painfully for his friends who have done much worse than his minor transgressions) lessons learned from his PB affair:

1 - Don't fuck with Mormons with journalism/PR/webskilz backgrounds. Honest, drug-free, and able to rock your weblies world, lol

2 - Don't fuck with Zen Buddhist CEO's who aren't in it for the money. The CEO's who are, are easy targets for the Small Company Destruction Machine (a very profitable one). They hooked on the wrong boxer. They "snagged a nuclear submarine" during their otherwise-very-succesful tuna net fishing exploits.

This post has been edited by Piperdown: Sat 8th March 2008, 6:16pm

Yet more circumstantial evidence from an accuser.

Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk. (Thoreau)

Let's summarise for those who either choose to ignore or haven't been paying attention to what Byrne and Bagley have been slowly revealing to you:

1 - They have emails. A shitload of them. Thousands include GW's own. Thousands others include matter and persons that are tangentially or directly in gw's sphere. I think GW is a small sideshow, but that sideshow is what this site and WP is about, so focus on that small part.

2 - Bagley says he has emails showing GW was on board with the DTCC to some extent. That wasn't his wife, cat, or friend trying to retro-justisfy his catholicism-diversion-profile by editing a cathoilc church from a dtcc ip on xmas day. lol.

3 - Bagely says he has emails showing GW, in real time, commenting on his edits on WP as Mantanmoreland.

4 - Byrne says he went to school with SlimVirgin, and it did not go well.

5 - Bagley has done several IP tracing experiments showing years of evidence of GW's IP's, the IP's of his socks MM and SH among others that match his.

You can choose to ignore this, or choose to call Bagley and Byrne liars and the likes of GW, SV, and JW as honest.

You can also choose to be made to look very foolish as this unwinds further. Good luck with your choosing, lol.

I choose to believe Bagley and Byrne and have very good sound reasoning for doing so. I hope others have also assessed the soundness of their reasoning, and not other more worldy and less noble reasons, in how they have assessed what they have been shown, and what they have been told will be shown.

There is very serious Journalism situation going on, and a very credible, distinguished journalist that has been REAL WORLD HARRASSED, THREATENED, STALKED, and had his real life and his loved ones threatened, and if media 2.0 rumblings are true, not going to keep on taking it lying down in media 1.0

When i read this crap on WP/WR (especially from GW and SV) about 'harassment' and 'stalking' when in fact these liars are being exposed, it makes me vomit when real journalists are actually having this happen in real life. Neither of those two are journalists, they are both discredited castoffs from organisations that employ real journalists with ethics, morals, and professional decency (for the most part).

This post has been edited by Piperdown: Sat 8th March 2008, 7:18pm

Look, I get being skeptical of all of the non-public information Piperdown recounts above. And sure, WordBomb is a corporate shill, so maybe in some universe it makes sense for him to fake IP logs. Let's doubt everything we can't personally confirm. Doubt is healthy.

But the problem is that it's all corroborated by publicly available available stuff. Yeah, maybe you can argue like Milton Roe that it's really his wife or something, whatever, but the time shift is legit. Varkala is on the record. It's circumstantial in the same way as DNA evidence; he's got some connection to Weiss. Corporate "smear campaigns" cannot explain it away unless you think WordBomb has hacked into Wikipedia and inserted edits.

So, Emperor, I think you are either an idiot, trolling for fun, Gary Weiss himself, or some combination of the three.

I think Weiss has plausable deniability for SH because his wife often operates that account. And they created it together after getting married. Same for the MM account before they got married, though I don't really know who that belonged to originally. Since it was probably created after they met, they may have put this one together also.

I don't know how it became accepted that they got married during the 10/2006 trip to India. They were married two or three years earlier. Mantanmoreland was created within the bonds of matrimony. Samiharris was a little bit of a surprise caboose. But those things happen

Well, I got it from Overstock's message board, where they said the incriminating Weiss blog was a self-described "honeymoon" post, datelined Varkala.
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb...msg&mid=1123661
Perhaps he took his "honeymoon" years late (this happens too), but the guy said he was in India then for a honeymoon (Oct 2006). That his blog post timing that you just gave also suggests he was on vacation around the world, only means he indeed probably wasn't lying in his blog about his location, then. Okay.

Well, I got it from Overstock's message board, where they said the incriminating Weiss blog was a self-described "honeymoon" post, datelined Varkala.

Good point. I did write that. As I recall, it was in that column in Forbes that Weiss first revealed that he was married. Many of us assumed that he got married there. We've since learned otherwise. Very easy to see now why so many have made that mistake.