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Angela Kennedy
post Mon 10th March 2008, 10:51am
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Hello everyone,

With regard to JzG:

I advocate for my daughter, first diagnosed with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, later Lyme disease, who is severely disabled by her illness. I also undertake academic criticism, of the claims made by some psychiatrists about these illnesses being ’psychosomatic’ and advocate for the ME/CFS community itself. Therefore, I do have a real world reputation that might be brought into disrepute by libellous, defamatory comments.

JZG made a number of defamatory (and libellous) claims about me (and implied others) on the admin notice board in September 2007 and elsewhere in time and place on Wikipedia, the circumstances of which are outlined here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/APK-PAPERS/message/19

Large sections of the Simon Wessely talk page had already been removed by Jim Wales himself in 2006, after I and my erstwhile colleague formally wrote to him demanding he remove comments, made by JzG and another admin, JFW, which were highly inflammatory towards us. He removed some of them (though I kept copies of what was said), but the two admins continued making similar comments over the course of about a year and a half on the talk page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=165865721

As is probably evident from these links, my problems with the conduct of JzG, and indeed Jimbo Wales, are these:

1. JzG's misrepresentation of me and my work in the open discussions to other admins, in particular defamatory and libellous claims he has made about me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...of_userspace.3F

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...scalate_this.3F

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...0#Simon_Wessely

Of particular worry are the claims that I ‘have a visceral hatred for Simon Wessely’, the misrepresentation of the work I am doing in the real world, the claim that “You need to draw a distinction between what Angela Kennedy says, and what might be regarded as truth by anybody with both feet on the ground”, and, most libellous of all, his claim that ‘these individuals’ [meaning me and unnamed others] have harassed Wessely in real life: all of which have potentially highly damaging effects on my real world reputation.

2. JzG's (uninformed) conclusions on his website, and on the talk pages, that CFS is psychosomatic, Wessely’s work is correct, and that objections to Wessely’s claims are extreme, ideological etc. therefore making him a biased party in a dispute which he escalated (see the end paragraph of this link for his position):

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Wesselygate

3. The placement of a "banned user" tag on my user page, which contravenes decency and privacy . The arbitrary wikipedia ‘justice’ is being used to tar people at the top of a google search. I was permanently banned by Wales himself.

4. Possible off-wiki engagement between JzG and the subject of the page, Simon Wessely, in such a way as to suggest a possible collusion, particularly around false claims that I have ‘personally harassed’ Simon Wessely (as per his comments here):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...0#Simon_Wessely

(But also see here):

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/w/index.ph...changes&days=14

I have written to Simon Wessely’s line managers about this issue. So far they have been most uncooperative. The correspondence can be seen here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/APK-PAPERS/message/17

But the whole issue needs further investigation.


5. Off-wiki engagement with Jim Wales with prejudicial effects on me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...scalate_this.3F


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...of_userspace.3F


I appreciate this is a complex issue. I am willing to provide further evidence and answer questions on this issue where possible and appropriate.

Angela
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post Tue 11th March 2008, 2:37am
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Again, I haven't a clue what you're talking about here, wikiwhistle. This is what I'm talking about. Here are JzG's comments
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...0#Simon_Wessely
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Heads-up: User:Angela Kennedy has arrived and set up her stall over at the talk page for Simon Wessely. Kennedy has a visceral hatred for Wessely, and is one half of the noxious One Click Group website, see Wesselygate. This individual should under no circumstances be allowed to edit the article if it is unprotected, and should probably be topic-banned from the talk page and all ME / CFS articles as well. User:Jfdwolff will probably need a lot of help over there, vicious ad-hominem is the stock in trade of this particular bunch. Check the history of the Wessely article before Jimbo's deletion last year to see the One-Click mob's style, and their version of "neutral" point of view. One-Click's first neutral comment on the subject of Simon Wessely will probably be delivered by flying pig sometime in the third millennium of the Hades ice age, shortly after the heat death of the universe. OTRS volunteers should be on the lookout, as Wessely has had to complain several times over biased editing by members of minority patient activist groups bitterly opposed on principle to Wessely's ideas on palliative treatment for ME/CFS, a subject on which he is one of the most published experts in Europe. Kennedy proposes citations form the Countess of Mar and from Malcolm Hooper. Hooper, especially, is speaking well out of his field, he has no qualifications or accepted expertise in the subject, and his comments have been excluded by consensus from the article on that basis. (Guy) 21:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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Angela Kennedy   JzG, Simon Wessely, and claims of 'harassment'   Mon 10th March 2008, 10:51am
Kato   Welcome to WR, Angela. I touched upon this in a p...   Mon 10th March 2008, 11:38am
Jonny Cache   Angela, Thank you for a very interesting and deta...   Mon 10th March 2008, 11:42am
Kato   It is the very public arbitrary JzG justice that f...   Mon 10th March 2008, 11:49am
WhispersOfWisdom   Welcome Angela, and God bless. :)   Mon 10th March 2008, 12:02pm
Moulton   Hi Angela, Fifteen years ago, I met another Angel...   Mon 10th March 2008, 12:33pm
WhispersOfWisdom   Hi Angela, Fifteen years ago, I met another Ange...   Mon 10th March 2008, 1:01pm
Kato   Here's the statement from JzG that led to Ange...   Mon 10th March 2008, 4:41pm
badlydrawnjeff   I know it's trendy to pile on JzG here - god k...   Mon 10th March 2008, 6:39pm
Kato   Woman gets banned for putting up a bunch of crap ...   Mon 10th March 2008, 7:50pm
wikiwhistle   I assumed Neil was saying I was correct about the ...   Mon 10th March 2008, 7:57pm
Neil   As I recall, this was one of the cases where Guy p...   Mon 10th March 2008, 7:03pm
Kato   As I recall, this was one of the cases where Guy ...   Tue 11th March 2008, 12:04am
wikiwhistle   We will have to agree to disagree about M.E. JzG ...   Mon 10th March 2008, 7:23pm
gomi   The best words I was ever given as regards health ...   Mon 10th March 2008, 8:07pm
Neil   Wikiwhistle - you're absolutely correct. I he...   Mon 10th March 2008, 7:26pm
wikiwhistle   It's JzG's brain that needs an enema :)   Mon 10th March 2008, 8:14pm
Neil   I assumed Neil was saying I was correct about the...   Mon 10th March 2008, 8:36pm
Neil   [quote name='Neil' post='84883' date='Mon 10th Ma...   Tue 11th March 2008, 1:43am
Kato   This pretty much sums up the attitude of the links...   Tue 11th March 2008, 1:58am
Angela Kennedy   I enclose below the emails from Jim Wales to me ab...   Tue 11th March 2008, 4:42pm
wikiwhistle   His and many people's position on ME, rightly ...   Tue 11th March 2008, 2:12am
Kato   Again, I haven't a clue what you're talkin...   Tue 11th March 2008, 2:37am
Neil   The links Neil has put up, for example, are out o...   Tue 11th March 2008, 5:36pm
Angela Kennedy   How is the legal challenge against the NICE guid...   Thu 13th March 2008, 3:36pm
Kato   I don't understand how it is acceptable on the...   Thu 13th March 2008, 4:19pm
Milton Roe   I don't understand how it is acceptable on th...   Wed 16th April 2008, 2:42am
Angela Kennedy   What's relevant is the problem of epistemolog...   Wed 16th April 2008, 9:34am
Moulton   I have found Wikipedia a fertile ground for sociol...   Wed 16th April 2008, 11:43am
thekohser   This is my last email to him <Jimbo Wales> ...   Wed 16th April 2008, 2:18pm
Angela Kennedy   Hi kohs, and everyone Word of advice (not that...   Sun 20th April 2008, 10:58am
thekohser   Hi kohs, and everyone ... But what I can't se...   Mon 21st April 2008, 1:54am
Angela Kennedy   I think in late July 2005, Wales was quoted by t...   Mon 21st April 2008, 6:14am
Angela Kennedy   An Update: From JzG’s response to his RfC: htt...   Mon 14th April 2008, 9:00pm
thekohser   ...I do wonder whether when he <JzG> uses t...   Tue 15th April 2008, 7:02pm
Angela Kennedy   Hi thekohser, Yes- actually that's a good p...   Tue 15th April 2008, 8:25pm
Kato   I don't think there is any denying that JzG to...   Tue 15th April 2008, 8:35pm
Angela Kennedy   Hi Kato I don't think there is any denying t...   Wed 16th April 2008, 9:01am
Jon Awbrey   What do you expect from a bunch of Frozen In Da ...   Wed 16th April 2008, 12:06pm
dtobias   Now he called me somebody who acts like "an o...   Tue 15th April 2008, 11:13pm
UseOnceAndDestroy   Now [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...   Tue 15th April 2008, 11:28pm
tarantino   Now [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...   Tue 15th April 2008, 11:37pm
Messedrocker   Now [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit...   Fri 18th April 2008, 11:23pm
Proabivouac   [quote name='tarantino' post='93152' date='Tue 15...   Sat 19th April 2008, 6:51am
Proabivouac   Good heavens, this deserves quoting in full: A v...   Wed 16th April 2008, 12:52am
Proabivouac   Now he called me somebody who acts like "an ...   Wed 16th April 2008, 12:57am
Moulton   More evidence of the absence of a functional confl...   Tue 15th April 2008, 11:53pm
dtobias   Well, at least I got a good user page header out o...   Wed 16th April 2008, 12:46am
Moulton   TweedleDan and TweedleDum He left off a second na...   Wed 16th April 2008, 12:56am
wikiwhistle   TweedleDan and TweedleDum He left off a second n...   Wed 16th April 2008, 1:35am
Moulton   See Stage 4 (Alienation and Scapegoating) in this ...   Wed 16th April 2008, 1:04am
thekohser   Let's all not forget that JzG, after a 15-mont...   Wed 16th April 2008, 2:02am
Jon Awbrey   What do you expect from a bunch of Frozen In Da Fi...   Wed 16th April 2008, 2:56am
Moulton   See The Resistant Learner. Compare the Resistant ...   Wed 16th April 2008, 12:21pm
Jon Awbrey   See [b][url=http://www.trainingplace.com/source/r...   Wed 16th April 2008, 3:00pm
Moulton   If you ever go into therapy, you learn something a...   Sat 19th April 2008, 12:27pm


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