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Achromatic
post Thu 13th March 2008, 4:43am
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Well, not much to read. Mantanmoreland and Samiharris both indefinitely blocked by Coren.

Lets see if David Gerard lights up the wheel war fireworks.
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post Thu 13th March 2008, 6:21pm
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Could you run through Verifiability not Truth once more?
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I was surprised. I thought that the powers that be would have enough sense to see that it was not a battle worth fighting. While SV did pop up to support the ridiculous SH == WB notion, the old guard were in general keeping their heads down.

I had assumed that having been beaten at ArbCom, or perhaps a dishonourable draw would be a better view, that they then had the face saver to let MM disappear, eventually turn up in another guise.

But it becomes clearer that off-wiki they determined that they were not going to make a proper fight of the ArbCom, they knew that it was not going to go for any serious sanctions so there was no need to be obvious. They can now obfusticate, using the ArbCom debacle to support their position.

Yet I was surprised, I really thought there would be some puffery, but then they would let it die. What they have guaranteed now is that the knives will be out. Plus more good admins now have had the scales removed from their eyes and will understand far more clearly the scale of manipulation going on here. There are a number of admins who will now find that their blocks will be questioned. I predict far more drama and the likes of SV, Guy and so on (the "admins of good standing" NOT!) will no longer be able to rely on "I said so."
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post Thu 13th March 2008, 6:28pm
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Here, tattoo this on your wrist, and maybe next time you'll be less surprised.

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Thu 13th March 2008, 1:21pm) *

I was surprised. I thought that the powers that be would have enough sense to see that it was not a battle worth fighting. While SV did pop up to support the ridiculous SH == WB notion, the old guard were in general keeping their heads down.

I had assumed that having been beaten at ArbCom, or perhaps a dishonourable draw would be a better view, that they then had the face saver to let MM disappear, eventually turn up in another guise.

But it becomes clearer that off-wiki they determined that they were not going to make a proper fight of the ArbCom, they knew that it was not going to go for any serious sanctions so there was no need to be obvious. They can now obfusticate, using the ArbCom debacle to support their position.

Yet I was surprised, I really thought there would be some puffery, but then they would let it die. What they have guaranteed now is that the knives will be out. Plus more good admins now have had the scales removed from their eyes and will understand far more clearly the scale of manipulation going on here. There are a number of admins who will now find that their blocks will be questioned. I predict far more drama and the likes of SV, Guy and so on (the "admins of good standing" NOT!) will no longer be able to rely on "I said so."


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post Thu 13th March 2008, 6:38pm
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Thu 13th March 2008, 6:28pm) *

Here, tattoo this on your wrist, and maybe next time you'll be less surprised.


Yeah, well. Perhaps I wasn't that surprised, just thought they were better at the game. Perhaps they are, essentially they always ignore all rules to keep the upper hand.

What is less surprising is the adaptation of 3RR techniques to blocking:

1) Someone makes a block you don't like.
2) Revert it and then claim anyone now reverting is wheelwarring and should be sanctioned.

Tony Sidaway:

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Administrators should avoid taking action that might be interpreted as a controversial revert of Doc's unblock.


How about Doc should not have done a controversial revert of a block, especially as an interested party? Perhaps Doc should have an RFC raised on his actions.

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Achromatic   MM and SH indef blocked   Thu 13th March 2008, 4:43am
The Joy   What is this wikilegalese of it being just an ...   Thu 13th March 2008, 4:50am
Heat   If someone does unblock MM I hope it's JzG. Th...   Thu 13th March 2008, 5:15am
Herschelkrustofsky   This is indeed an interesting development. Watch t...   Thu 13th March 2008, 6:35am
Miltopia   David Gerard has already pledged to unblock them. ...   Thu 13th March 2008, 9:30am
dogbiscuit   David Gerard has already pledged to unblock them....   Thu 13th March 2008, 9:33am
cyofee   Doc Glasgow has unblocked Mantanmoreland. Apparen...   Thu 13th March 2008, 1:38pm
dogbiscuit   Doc Glasgow has unblocked Mantanmoreland. Appare...   Thu 13th March 2008, 1:51pm
Kato   The dispute, which was over here has moved to the ...   Thu 13th March 2008, 2:34pm
dogbiscuit   The dispute, which was over here has moved to the...   Thu 13th March 2008, 3:34pm
Moulton   By definition, all drama includes competing intere...   Thu 13th March 2008, 2:59pm
Kato   Some gems from Tony Sidaway who is opposed to the ...   Thu 13th March 2008, 5:39pm
badlydrawnjeff   But...but I thought the ArbCom case was going to F...   Thu 13th March 2008, 6:03pm
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