Allegations against FT2, Should P.D. take them to the Arbcom? Options

[Peter Damian]

Since Ryan Postlethwaite has raised this issue on the forum, I would like the opportunity to say that I am NOT alleging that FT2 has engaged in criminal activities of any sort. The burden of proof required in criminal court is very high, and there is consequently an equal burden on anyone making any criminal accusation or allegation. My allegations are rather

1. That FT2 has engaged in highly slanted editing of the Zoophilia article and other related subjects. I.e. while he is not provenly a zoophile, he is a 'pro zoophile'. A pro zoophile is one who maintains in a visible and public way that sex with animals is not inherently abusive (similarly to the way that pro-paedophiles argue that while child abuse is wrong, what paedophiles do is not of itself child abuse).

2. That he is one of a group of pro-zoophiles (most of them open zoophiles, who have publicly admitted their 'orientation' by linking to their accounts on openly zoophile site), who have conspired to edit this and related articles in slanted ways, i.e. they have prevented anti-zoos editing the article by bullying and by abuse of admin powers such as blocking, banning &c. Note FT2 has not publicly admitted being a zoophile (as opposed to pro-zoophile). But he is a member of a pro-zoophile group. His tag-teaming with these individuals, the fact he has admitted to being friends with some of them, the fact of emails and so forth, his frequent allusion to use of 'serious' zoophile sites is ample evidence of that.

Note the distinction between 1 and 2. I have no specific objection to pro-zoophiles editing articles about zoophilia, any more than (as it happens) I object to pro-paedophiles editing articles about paedophilia. I do however object to a pro-zoophile being elected to the Arbitration Committee. By contrast I utterly object to 2, because I equally support the right of anyone to edit the Zoophilia article, not just pro-zoos. This is mostly what is at issue. By selectively banning or indefinitely blocking editors who support an anti-zoo line, FT2 and others are skewing the whole principle of Wikipedia, namely anyone can edit.

Indeed the fact I am arguing this here, blocked by pro-zoophiles because of an entirely trumped up and vacuous charge, is enough proof of that.

Should I take this to Arbitration Committee? Arguments against

1. This is an emotive issue, and all logic would be clouded
2. ArbCom has an idiosyncratic membership, and the fact that
3. My original username would be brought up
4. It's a long and tedious and exhausting process for everyone.

[UseOnceAndDestroy]

"Test case"?

You're labouring under the mistaken belief that wikilaw, like actual law, aims to provide certainty and respects precedent. Neither of these are true.

[Peter Damian]

"Test case"?

You're labouring under the mistaken belief that wikilaw, like actual law, aims to provide certainty and respects precedent. Neither of these are true.

No, I don't believe that. It's clearly different. But I do believe there are a number of reasonable people still involved in Wikipedia, and that there would be some attempt to ensure a reasonable process. I haven't got a link to my ANI but there were a number of admins who were strongly supportive of my case, and who opposed the indef.

Including (I might say) SlimVirgin who has always been supportive of my edits, both on and of wiki and of my constant battle against the troll-infested thickets of the metaphsyics section. I know a lot of people have it in for her here - don't know the details at all - but no complaints there.

[Jonny Cache]

No, I don't believe that. It's clearly different. But I do believe there are a number of reasonable people still involved in Wikipedia, and that there would be some attempt to ensure a reasonable process. I haven't got a link to my ANI but there were a number of admins who were strongly supportive of my case, and who opposed the indef.

Including (I might say) SlimVirgin who has always been supportive of my edits, both on and of wiki and of my constant battle against the troll-infested thickets of the metaphsyics section. I know a lot of people have it in for her here — don't know the details at all — but no complaints there.

¤ sigh ¤

I went rummaging through my collection of really despondent Leonard Cohen quotes, but couldn't find one despondent enough to fit.

We used to have a whole sub*agora devoted to Nobs' Excellently Excruciating Adventures In REFARB Madness, but I think it all got expunged or sealed for 75 years or something.

So you're on your on, like a rolling stone, till you are a bone, &c, &c, read my …

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 19th March 2008, 12:43pm

[Peter Damian]

No, I don't believe that. It's clearly different. But I do believe there are a number of reasonable people still involved in Wikipedia, and that there would be some attempt to ensure a reasonable process. I haven't got a link to my ANI but there were a number of admins who were strongly supportive of my case, and who opposed the indef.

Including (I might say) SlimVirgin who has always been supportive of my edits, both on and of wiki and of my constant battle against the troll-infested thickets of the metaphsyics section. I know a lot of people have it in for her here — don't know the details at all — but no complaints there.

¤ sigh ¤

I went rummaging through my collection of really despondent Leonard Cohen quotes, but couldn't find one despondent enough to fit.

We used to have a whole sub*agora devoted to Nobs' Excellently Excruciating Adventures In REFARB Madness, but I think it all got expunged or sealed for 75 years or something.

So you're on your on, like a rolling stone, till you are a bone, &c, &c, read my …

Jonny

Jonny, could you translate into something resembling normal, standard English?

[Jonny Cache]

No, I don't believe that. It's clearly different. But I do believe there are a number of reasonable people still involved in Wikipedia, and that there would be some attempt to ensure a reasonable process. I haven't got a link to my ANI but there were a number of admins who were strongly supportive of my case, and who opposed the indef.

Including (I might say) SlimVirgin who has always been supportive of my edits, both on and of wiki and of my constant battle against the troll-infested thickets of the metaphsyics section. I know a lot of people have it in for her here — don't know the details at all — but no complaints there.

¤ sigh ¤

I went rummaging through my collection of really despondent Leonard Cohen quotes, but couldn't find one despondent enough to fit.

We used to have a whole sub*agora devoted to Nobs' Excellently Excruciating Adventures In REFARB Madness, but I think it all got expunged or sealed for 75 years or something.

So you're on your on, like a rolling stone, till you are a bone, &c, &c, read my …

Jonny

Jonny, could you translate into something resembling normal, standard English?

No, I'm afraid that might be too impolite.

Jonny

[Peter Damian]

Jonny, could you translate into something resembling normal, standard English?

No, I'm afraid that might be too impolite.

Jonny

No I was afraid you don't do ordinary English. Nevertheless, what is

Nobs' Excellently Excruciating Adventures In REFARB Madness

Presumably is code for something?

[Jonny Cache]

Nevertheless, what is:

Nobs' Excellently Excruciating Adventures In REFARB Madness

Presumably is code for something?

Nobs — his/her real name is known but eludes my memory at the moment — was a former active participant here who really, in my view, took ArbCom way too seriously, writing ream after 10×14 ream of long and winding quasi-legal case presentations for our utterly reluctant review, until the Mods finally gave him a roll-up forum of his own, which no one had the patience to read, until he/she finally went off to greater glory in Conservapedia or somewhere. Just what I remember of the story.

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 19th March 2008, 2:30pm