More sanctimonious bullshit from FT2, “Longish answer I'm afraid” Options

[Moulton]

More insightful remarks from Risker...

Effects on the community

The community has started to realise that its dispute resolution mechanisms are rarely effective in the way they are intended. User and admin RfCs, because they are non-binding, become attack pages that linger for weeks and months without resolution, and never really go away. Arbitration fails to resolve the root causes of the disruptions that bring cases before them, in part because they do not permit decisions related to content, but also because of the haphazard way in which evidence is developed and presented. There is often no analysis of issues that drive the case, and only rarely are serious attempts made to resolve them.

The result of this dysfunctional dispute resolution system is that almost every editor who is involved, often just to a peripheral degree, is damaged. There is no effective way to heal those wounds. Once tainted, their contributions are devalued, often without conscious thought.

We need to stop this cycle. We need to let people function in this community without every keystroke being scrutinized. We need to find ways of listening when questions are asked without assuming bad faith on the part of the questioner. We need to get back to the project's goals and leave the rest behind.

--Risker (talk) 21:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[Moulton]

odd, Riskers comments aren't on the talk space anymore, and nothing in the history mentions them being removed...

Here it is...

# (cur) (last) 22:54, 17 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (837 bytes) (I can no longer stand the fucking place!) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:49, 17 April 2008 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) (10,652 bytes) (→Hear Hear: a long rant) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:19, 17 April 2008 Privatemusings (Talk | contribs) (7,863 bytes) (→Hear Hear: fix sig) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:19, 17 April 2008 Privatemusings (Talk | contribs) (7,788 bytes) (→Effects on the community: I agree, for what they may be worth.....) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 21:59, 17 April 2008 Risker (Talk | contribs) (7,743 bytes) (adding) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 07:14, 17 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (837 bytes) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 23:31, 16 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (empty) (Enough for one day!) (undo)

[Giano]

odd, Riskers comments aren't on the talk space anymore, and nothing in the history mentions them being removed...

Here it is...

# (cur) (last) 22:54, 17 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (837 bytes) (I can no longer stand the fucking place!) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:49, 17 April 2008 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) (10,652 bytes) (→Hear Hear: a long rant) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:19, 17 April 2008 Privatemusings (Talk | contribs) (7,863 bytes) (→Hear Hear: fix sig) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:19, 17 April 2008 Privatemusings (Talk | contribs) (7,788 bytes) (→Effects on the community: I agree, for what they may be worth.....) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 21:59, 17 April 2008 Risker (Talk | contribs) (7,743 bytes) (adding) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 07:14, 17 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (837 bytes) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 23:31, 16 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (empty) (Enough for one day!) (undo)

[Giano]

odd, Riskers comments aren't on the talk space anymore, and nothing in the history mentions them being removed...

Here it is...

# (cur) (last) 22:54, 17 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (837 bytes) (I can no longer stand the fucking place!) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:49, 17 April 2008 Doc glasgow (Talk | contribs) (10,652 bytes) (→Hear Hear: a long rant) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:19, 17 April 2008 Privatemusings (Talk | contribs) (7,863 bytes) (→Hear Hear: fix sig) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 22:19, 17 April 2008 Privatemusings (Talk | contribs) (7,788 bytes) (→Effects on the community: I agree, for what they may be worth.....) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 21:59, 17 April 2008 Risker (Talk | contribs) (7,743 bytes) (adding) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 07:14, 17 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (837 bytes) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 23:31, 16 April 2008 Giano II (Talk | contribs) (empty) (Enough for one day!) (undo)

I removed all the comments from my talk- page last night in a fit of daft petulant temper, which I regret. I should have left Risker's as it was well intended and very true but when I saw Doc Glasgow starting yet another long post, something just temporarily snapped. I knew FT2 would have been bound to arrive, and I think I would probably put a fist through my screen, if I have to read any more of his half-truths and bizarre distortions of fact. Where he has been concerned I have surprised myself at my own civility and self control, at least on Wiki, a few more choice adjectives have been expressed in email. Funny thing civility, I don't think I have ever really attacked anyone as in: "You fucking bastard" but I have on more than a few occasions rather pointedly referred someone to their own wiki-activities, or more often lack of Wiki-activities, and of course if one's wiki-activities are, to put it kindly, "lacklustre" - I suppose that person may be embarrassed at having that pointed out - but is that incivility, to ask someone who professes to be contributing to an encyclopedia, exactly what it is they are contributing?

I have read quite enough rubbish and drivel about myself to last a lifetime over the last few days. If no one has already perhaps someone will re-post Risker's comment and Doc's, anyway they are in the history. I have not looked at Wikipedia today, and probably won't for a while. I need to regain some self-control and equilibrium. I suspect, strongly, there is a lot more to this story than has even been supposed here on Wikipedia Review, and I have a feeling that will become immediately apparent if they succeed in ridding themselves of me. I'll keep it to myself though, as it will just be another "Giano conspiracy theory" to beat me over the head with, and I don't want to be banned in case I have to deal with that issue.

I appreciate the support here, it was actually the battered wife comment here, that made me think for a moment, but that implies self-pity, something I hate. I just need a few minutes to lick my wounds and then I will be back to normal. I have some pages to finish, but I don't think I'll start any more. Perhaps I'll become a career Wikipedia chatterer like those so admired there. I can't help thinking what a pity that some of those with such time on their hands, and skill at typing and commenting don't expend half as much energy on writing a page as they do on me. This is all too long now, it is beginning to look like one of FT2's posts, so I'll stop.

Thanks for the moral boosting you do here.

Giano

[Moulton]

Anger is the classical response to injustice.

But expressions of anger rarely suffice to correct an injustice.

There is a saying in the peacemaking literature: If you want peace, work for justice.

I say: If you want justice, work for mirth.

[Peter Damian]

I can't help thinking what a pity that some of those with such time on their hands, and skill at typing and commenting don't expend half as much energy on writing a page as they do on me. This is all too long now, it is beginning to look like one of FT2's posts, so I'll stop.

Thanks for the moral boosting you do here.

Giano

Sadly, some of us don't have that option. I have apparently offended FT2 so much that I shall never be allowed to return.

I still find it sad that I was halfway through the Medieval philosophy article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_philosophy

and was then suddenly blocked forever. You see the section on Christianity is barely half-finished. How would you feel, Giano, if you could never complete the Winter Palace?

[Moulton]

Medieval Philosophy meets Medieval Politics.

[Count DeMonet]

it was actually the battered wife comment here, that made me think for a moment, but that implies self-pity, something I hate.

FTR Giano, I had no implication of self pity in my mind when I drew the battered wife simile. I was merely drawing a parallel to willfully remaining in a no-win situation detrimental to your own well being, in the mistaken belief that you're ever going to effect a change. FWIW I don't think that implies self pity in the slightest. Stubbornness certainly, but self pity?, no, not at all.

I think it'll do you good to walk away from all that crap for the time being, I only hope (against hope) that your adversaries don't interpret it as a victory (as pyrrhic as it is).

[Moulton]

There seems to be some kind of "wedge strategy" among the more powerful admins to drive subject-matter experts and competent editors off Wikipedia.