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Daniel Brandt
post Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:02pm
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JoshuaZ is trying to restore that redirect again. I've been waiting for this for almost three weeks. On April 3 he told User:Prodego that he was planning to do this. I have already expanded the hostmask database from 26,000 lines to 33,000 lines in anticipation of this, but now I'm dusting off the IRC logs for January through April.

If the redirect goes through I will reinstall that old IRC search engine. This is not because IRC is interesting — indeed, compared to 2006 the #wikipedia IRC channel is almost tame these days. But it does give me an excuse to add about 700 HTML pages to Wikipedia-Watch. Based on past experience, this will double the overall traffic to my Wikipedia-Watch homepage.

That's because anytime you add 700 pages to a site, and these pages are filled with a wide variety of keyword-rich content that's interesting to web surfers, you get a lot more clicks once that content is indexed by search engines. Moreover, the two links in the footer of each page will go back to my homepage and to hivemind. These links help direct traffic from those who landed on an IRC chat page, and who find themselves wondering what they're looking at. That's a very common question, as you can imagine if you've ever seen about 600 consecutive lines of chat from #wikipedia on IRC. (These 700 files will average about 600 lines of chat each.)

The links in the footer also tend to give more Google juice to the two target pages, although not a whole lot because they're internal links. Do you know why every few words in Wikipedia articles are linked to another Wikipedia article? It's for the Google juice. Same thing here. (A lot of sites do this sort of thing just so that they have pages that can carry their Google ads, but I've never had any ads on any of my sites. I wonder if other sites will scrape my IRC logs? Google sure encourages a lot of pollution on the web, but then Wikipedia has never done anything to stop scrapers either.)

I'm actually looking forward to doing this if that redirect goes through. Wikipedia-Watch in general, and hivemind in particular, deserve more traffic. It's a quid pro quo because if the redirect is reinstalled, the PIR page in Wikipedia — the one with my name on it in seven places — will be getting more traffic too.
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post Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:56pm
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Now, really, as much fun as it may be letting yourselves be diverted with all the wonky details, isn't it just a trifle obvious that we have, yet again, a double standard of justice here?

Or is that just too obvious to be much fun pointing out?

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post Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:59pm
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:56pm) *

Now, really, as much fun as it may be letting yourselves be diverted with all the wonky details, isn't it just a trifle obvious that we have, yet again, a double standard of justice here?

Or is that just too obvious to be much fun pointing out?

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Maybe it's just me, but I can think of other admins that have been banned following sockpuppetry allegations. Runcorn comes to mind, and I'm sure there have been a few others recently although I don't specifically recall their names. So no, I don't think there are double standards.
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QUOTE(KamrynMatika @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:59pm) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:56pm) *

Now, really, as much fun as it may be letting yourselves be diverted with all the wonky details, isn't it just a trifle obvious that we have, yet again, a double standard of justice here?

Or is that just too obvious to be much fun pointing out?

Jon cool.gif


Maybe it's just me, but I can think of other admins that have been banned following sockpuppetry allegations. Runcorn comes to mind, and I'm sure there have been a few others recently although I don't specifically recall their names. So no, I don't think there are double standards.


I guess it didn't occur to me that I would have to explain the meaning of the phrase "double standard".

I forgot where I was there for a moment.

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Daniel Brandt   JoshuaZ, Stalker Extraordinaire   Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:02pm
ColScott   Look this is a nasally stunted retarded young man ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:05pm
dogbiscuit   His logic is exactly based on that which he compla...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:23pm
Kato   Oddly enough, he links to a statement by Daniel Br...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:30pm
dogbiscuit   Why is this kid still allowed to demand polls and...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:56pm
Somey   There are now some sane observations on the improp...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:22pm
dogbiscuit   There are now some sane observations on the impro...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:29pm
Somey   Yes, I am sure you could and would do that, but th...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:47pm
No one of consequence   Ehhh, this is coming from me, not Daniel... I...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:51pm
Moulton   If Joshua deigns to come here, to WR, I'll eng...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:55pm
Somey   I'll take my chances. ^_^ Hmm... this was pr...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:11pm
dogbiscuit   Ehhh, this is coming from me, not Daniel... I...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:13pm
Moulton   I'm really, really tired of JoshuaZ's crap...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:37pm
BobbyBombastic   [b]In particular, I'm thinking it may be time...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:23pm
Random832   Besides, one could easily avoid any possibility o...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:37pm
Derktar   Looks like a nerve was struck, well in that case.....   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:45pm
Somey   Considering that the chronological ordering of IRC...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:00pm
Moulton   [quote name='Moulton' post='95281' date='Tue 22nd ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:11pm
Kato   The point would be for Joshua and I to explore th...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:15pm
Moulton   The point would be for Joshua and I to explore the...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:55pm
Somey   The point would be for Joshua and I to explore the...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:28pm
Kato   I dunno, Mr. Moulton... you may be overstating th...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:38pm
KamrynMatika   The story about someone having a rootkit on his l...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:53pm
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Moulton' post='95281' date='Tue 22nd...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:24pm
No one of consequence   What would be sensible for JoshuaZ to consider is...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:25pm
Alex   Lawrence Cohen has proposed to ban Joshua from the...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:55pm
Daniel Brandt   JoshuaZ expressed extreme contempt for me in Augus...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:01pm
Jon Awbrey   I love Newyorkbrad's comment in that sooper-s...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:12pm
Moulton   [size=3][url=http://moultonlava.blogspot.com/2006/...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:14pm
dogbiscuit   [size=3][url=http://moultonlava.blogspot.com/2006...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:32pm
Kato   Proposed topic ban of JoshuaZ on the Brandt relate...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:43pm
The Wales Hunter   Joshua is now rushing around to deny the socking: ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:47pm
Moulton   I don't know JoshuaZ well enough to form even ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 5:53pm
dogbiscuit   ...wow! and on to arbcom already, courtesy of ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:07pm
The Wales Hunter   If Majorly (Alex on here) after seeing Joshua...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:10pm
Somey   If Majorly (Alex on here) after seeing Joshua...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:14pm
KamrynMatika   For what it's worth, I've read the email h...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:15pm
Derktar   For what it's worth, I've read the email ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:17pm
dogbiscuit   [quote name='KamrynMatika' post='95293' date='Tue...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:29pm
Derktar   Ah Joshua is on here at the moment, why don't ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:31pm
Aloft   I think the damning evidence is the double voting ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:30pm
Random832   Apparently this mystery person can tell the futur...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:41pm
jorge   Apparently this mystery person can tell the futu...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:45pm
Random832   [quote name='Random832' post='95351' date='Tue 22...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:48pm
dogbiscuit   I'm not saying that I believe JoshuaZ's s...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 9:38pm
KamrynMatika   He gave me permission to post this: Some fairl...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:42pm
No one of consequence   He gave me permission to post this: In other...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:50pm
Daniel Brandt   In other words, the edits came from my IP address...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:55pm
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='No one of consequence' post='95307' ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:04pm
No one of consequence   In other words, the edits came from my IP addres...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:05pm
Derktar   [quote name='Daniel Brandt' post='95311' date='Tu...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:09pm
Proabivouac   [quote name='No one of consequence' post='95307' ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:32pm
UseOnceAndDestroy   applies to administrators only. Well - there...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:49pm
Moulton   [quote name='KamrynMatika' post='95305' date='Tue ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:51pm
KamrynMatika   [quote name='KamrynMatika' post='95305' date='Tue...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:55pm
Moulton   And in regards to Moulton's question let me be...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:17pm
KamrynMatika   [quote name='KamrynMatika' post='95333' date='Tue...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:19pm
UseOnceAndDestroy   For what it's worth, I've read the email ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:35pm
Kato   JoshuaZ claims he cannot reveal the details of why...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:29pm
Iamlost   JoshuaZ claims he cannot reveal the details of wh...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:22pm
Daniel Brandt   I want to hear about that rootkit. Is it anything ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:35pm
UseOnceAndDestroy   Weak restatement of a weak defence. I can see New...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 6:58pm
jorge   Sorry but this is crazy. The very time we get evid...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:02pm
Moulton   Joshua doesn't say what operating system he ru...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:20pm
Derktar   Joshua doesn't say what operating system he r...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:24pm
UseOnceAndDestroy   Joshua doesn't say what operating system he r...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:46pm
Moulton   grep sshd /var/log/auth.log, or similar. On my Ubu...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:56pm
Wikileaker   From dear Sydney's inbox:Hi, Josh! I'm...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:33pm
KamrynMatika   From dear Sydney's inbox:Hi, Josh! I...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:37pm
Jon Awbrey   I know, let's sic Jpgordon∇∆∇∆ on him...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 7:42pm
jorge   Maybe it's just me, but I can think of other ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:04pm
Iamlost   We are talking about JoshuaZ here and he is quite...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:35pm
Random832   Maybe it's just me, but I can think of other ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:06pm
KamrynMatika   Maybe it's just me, but I can think of other...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:09pm
jorge   Sorry, I was going by a comment by jorge (i think...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:25pm
KamrynMatika   Sorry, I was going by a comment by jorge (i thin...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:34pm
Random832   Did Runcorn ever actually make a defence? The a...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:38pm
thekohser   Based on past experience, this will double the ov...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:29pm
Daniel Brandt   [quote name='Daniel Brandt' post='95227' date='Tu...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 8:38pm
Moulton   The forensic evidence (what precious little of it ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 9:46pm
Somey   The forensic evidence (what precious little of it ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 9:56pm
Jon Awbrey   The forensic evidence (what precious little of i...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:15pm
Moulton   Whether one cleaned out a (suspected) rootkit by r...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:07pm
jorge   Whether one cleaned out a (suspected) rootkit by ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:18pm
Moulton   Yes, I mean you'd think he would have been car...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:24pm
Poetlister   In the JoshuaZ case, there was clear checkuser evi...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:50pm
Moulton   In the JoshuaZ case, there was clear checkuser evi...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:58pm
Random832   In the JoshuaZ case, there was clear checkuser ev...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:20pm
Daniel Brandt   Here's a second case of Gothnic voting on a Jo...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:23pm
Kato   Two cases of double-voting on a Joshua anti-Brand...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:46pm
Castle Rock   [quote name='Daniel Brandt' post='95387' date='We...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:50pm
Derktar   [quote name='Daniel Brandt' post='95387' date='W...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:51pm
Amarkov   You know, it is always possible to come up with so...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:27pm
Proabivouac   You know, it is always possible to come up with s...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:42pm
jorge   So, this devious wikipedian/ex-wikipedian hacker w...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:42pm
Castle Rock   Christ, it just keeps getting better. What next, ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:32pm
Daniel Brandt   FloNight says: I have to disagree. This requires ...   Tue 22nd April 2008, 11:41pm
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