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Jon Awbrey
post Sat 26th April 2008, 2:16pm
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The Use Of Pseudonyms Is A Prima Facie Symptom Of Emotional, Mental, And Moral Dysfunction


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post Sat 26th April 2008, 3:07pm
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Is the initiation of this thread prima facie evidence that the author has now eschewed the practice, going forward, of registering pseudonymous accounts on Wikipedia?
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post Sat 26th April 2008, 3:20pm
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The Use Of Pseudonyms Is A Prima Facie Symptom Of Emotional, Mental, And Moral Dysfunction


Hogwash.

"If everyone knew what others said of them, no one would be friends" (Hugh Prather)


That goes double for political opinions, and general banter.

Enforced real identity-internet identification, in the current US legal environment which is completely unconcerned with privacy, not to mention libel or defamation, is just plain f-king stupid, as a suggestion. (Really, it's dumb anywhere, but especially under US law).

I don't know how you guys can see it as otherwise. (Though most people on WR seem to do).

The operant assumption that real identification of, for example, Wikipedia Administrators would cause a sea change in the abuse quotient is not only theoretically flawed, but empirically proven to be incorrect. Durova, Jimbo, Guy Chapman, David Gerard, Gwernol. They (and many others on Wikipedia) are all heavy handed persons whos identities are known, and they don't give a crap. The issue is POWER, and a LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY (legal or otherwise) to prevent abuse.

In the meantime, claiming that true-identity identification is going to solve things is a bunch of hooey, sorry, Jon. I've never failed to be confused by your continued harboring of this belief, but I suppose it will always be one thing upon which we agree to disagree.

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post Sat 26th April 2008, 7:20pm
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QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sat 26th April 2008, 4:20pm) *


Enforced real identity-internet identification, in the current US legal environment which is completely unconcerned with privacy, not to mention libel or defamation, is just plain f-king stupid, as a suggestion. (Really, it's dumb anywhere, but especially under US law).


It's not even so much about libel, as just common sense and security on the internet, as well as just plain reality. Children are encouraged not to reveal their real name for their safety, and most adults choose to due to it being just common sense as you don't know the level of sanity or know the disposition of people you are talking to, and due to talking to far more people and a larger range of people online, there's more risk.

A lot of people who use their real name online, are newcomers to the internet. Look at the presumed grief such as his banning from wikipedia being googlable under his real name, because Jon used his real name as his username. If he'd used a pseudonym in the first place that's far less likely to have happened.

"If you are an adult who is new to the Internet:

* While the tips for students below are geared toward teens and children, adults need to stay safe online, too, and can use these basic guidelines to do so."

" * What you look like—your appearance, gender, age
* Where you might be—address, school, workplace, hangouts, clubs
* Who you are—your real name, not even your first name, teams you play on, bank account info
* And NEVER share a pic of yourself—avoid posting your pic openly or emailing it to those you don't know well offline already"

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:bjvK25Z...clnk&cd=9&gl=uk

This was written by a US senator.

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post Sat 26th April 2008, 9:01pm
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QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Sat 26th April 2008, 12:20pm) *

It's not even so much about libel, as just common sense and security on the internet, as well as just plain reality. Children are encouraged not to reveal their real name for their safety, and most adults choose to due to it being just common sense as you don't know the level of sanity or know the disposition of people you are talking to, and due to talking to far more people and a larger range of people online, there's more risk.

A lot of people who use their real name online, are newcomers to the internet. Look at the presumed grief such as his banning from wikipedia being googlable under his real name, because Jon used his real name as his username. If he'd used a pseudonym in the first place that's far less likely to have happened.

"If you are an adult who is new to the Internet:

* While the tips for students below are geared toward teens and children, adults need to stay safe online, too, and can use these basic guidelines to do so."

" * What you look like—your appearance, gender, age
* Where you might be—address, school, workplace, hangouts, clubs
* Who you are—your real name, not even your first name, teams you play on, bank account info
* And NEVER share a pic of yourself—avoid posting your pic openly or emailing it to those you don't know well offline already"

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:bjvK25Z...clnk&cd=9&gl=uk

This was written by a US senator.


That's perfectly fine, if Wikipedia is just another social network. But it is advertised as an encyclopedia. And a good encyclopedia cannot be written if there is reason to fear identification.
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Jon Awbrey   The Use Of Pseudonyms Is a Prima Facie Symptom   Sat 26th April 2008, 2:16pm
wikiwhistle   what, anywhere? Or just on wikipedia-related sites...   Sat 26th April 2008, 2:27pm
Jon Awbrey   What, anywhere? Or just on Wikipedia-related site...   Sat 26th April 2008, 2:38pm
wikiwhistle   I think you have the Internet confused with Usen...   Sat 26th April 2008, 7:59pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Hogwash. "If everyone knew what others sai...   Sat 26th April 2008, 3:20pm
Disillusioned Lackey   A lot of people who use their real name online, a...   Sat 26th April 2008, 8:25pm
Gold heart   So it isn't only an issue of net-naiivite. I...   Sat 26th April 2008, 8:40pm
wikiwhistle   So it isn't only an issue of net-naiivite. ...   Sat 26th April 2008, 9:00pm
wikiwhistle   But it is advertised as an encyclopedia. And a go...   Sat 26th April 2008, 9:14pm
Amarkov   [quote name='Amarkov' post='96497' date='Sat 26th...   Sat 26th April 2008, 9:26pm
Disillusioned Lackey   It's still the internet, and internet risks a...   Sat 26th April 2008, 11:12pm
wikiwhistle   [quote name='wikiwhistle' post='96501' date='Sat ...   Sat 26th April 2008, 11:36pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Did I say anything about that? You mean in news...   Sun 27th April 2008, 12:52am
wikiwhistle   I think that you vastly underestimate the level o...   Sun 27th April 2008, 1:38am
Disillusioned Lackey   I've not said anything about the level of att...   Sun 27th April 2008, 9:58am
the fieryangel   Let's not even go there...   Fri 6th June 2008, 8:10pm
Proabivouac   But it is advertised as an encyclopedia. And a go...   Sat 26th April 2008, 11:14pm
Jon Awbrey   Hogwash. [center][i]"If everyone knew what...   Tue 6th May 2008, 12:00pm
Moulton   This thread is an example of Regression Toward the...   Tue 6th May 2008, 6:34pm
jd turk   [font=georgia][size=4]Resolved — The Use Of Ps...   Tue 6th May 2008, 7:36pm
Jon Awbrey   [b][color=dodgerblue][font=georgia][size=4]Resol...   Tue 6th May 2008, 7:59pm
wikiwhistle   If most of the Western population starts claiming ...   Tue 6th May 2008, 9:08pm
Jon Awbrey   Citizen Turk, Let me focus for a moment on your o...   Tue 6th May 2008, 9:28pm
jd turk   You said that Anonyms make Pseudonyms necessary. ...   Wed 7th May 2008, 5:17am
Jon Awbrey   You said that Anonyms make Pseudonyms necessary....   Wed 7th May 2008, 12:32pm
Proabivouac   In light of that Principle Of Equivalence, your s...   Wed 7th May 2008, 12:47pm
anthony   [b][color=dodgerblue][font=georgia][size=4]Resol...   Tue 6th May 2008, 10:26pm
Jon Awbrey   [b][color=dodgerblue][font=georgia][size=2]Reso...   Wed 7th May 2008, 12:52am
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='96424' date='Sat ...   Wed 7th May 2008, 1:08am
Jon Awbrey   Pseudonym = False Name For example, consider the ...   Wed 7th May 2008, 1:34am
GlassBeadGame   Pseudonym = False Name Jon B) I think the othe...   Wed 7th May 2008, 1:38am
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='99614' date='Tue 6...   Wed 7th May 2008, 2:02am
anthony   Then again, my username there, as well as here, ...   Wed 7th May 2008, 4:42am
dogbiscuit   But then, I don't think every public statemen...   Wed 7th May 2008, 9:28am
Moulton   Embrace Your Avatar Gordon Pitts of the Toronto G...   Fri 6th June 2008, 12:43pm
Jon Awbrey   [font=georgia][size=4]Resolved — The Use Of Ps...   Sat 6th September 2008, 2:18am
Jon Awbrey   [color=dodgerblue][font=georgia][size=4]Resolved ...   Wed 15th October 2008, 2:54pm
Somey   On top of everything else, the use of pseudonyms q...   Thu 16th October 2008, 4:34am
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='136126' date='Wed ...   Thu 16th October 2008, 10:40am
Moulton   I see it going the other way. I see WMF-sponsored...   Thu 16th October 2008, 5:18am
Somey   I see WMF-sponsored projects ineluctably morphing ...   Thu 16th October 2008, 8:09am
Jon Awbrey   That may be true within certain "trouble spo...   Thu 16th October 2008, 11:00am
Moulton   I don't think they can arrest the transformat...   Thu 16th October 2008, 11:23am
Cedric   I don't think they can arrest the transforma...   Thu 16th October 2008, 4:45pm
Somey   I would not say, however, that much of a transform...   Thu 16th October 2008, 5:34pm
Count DeMonet   Strange for me to say, but I find myself more in ...   Wed 22nd October 2008, 12:09pm
Meringue   Strange for me to say, but I find myself more in...   Thu 23rd October 2008, 1:50pm
Cedric   [quote name='Count" DeMonet' post='137417' d...   Thu 23rd October 2008, 4:03pm
Jon Awbrey   I think both Moulton and Kabalversity have Peer Re...   Thu 16th October 2008, 1:02pm
Somey   Year 2? — I thought it was 7 or 8. Year 2 of thi...   Thu 16th October 2008, 5:05pm
everyking   Year 2? — I thought it was 7 or 8. Year 2 of th...   Thu 16th October 2008, 5:51pm
Somey   In the subject areas I work on, there are so many ...   Thu 16th October 2008, 7:45pm
Jon Awbrey   Year 2? — I thought it was 7 or 8. Year 2 of...   Thu 16th October 2008, 5:52pm
Jon Awbrey   Just in case there are few Noobees who do not know...   Thu 16th October 2008, 6:56pm
Jon Awbrey   Epigraph Added In Proof — Just in case there ...   Fri 17th October 2008, 11:20pm
Moulton   [url=http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User_talk:Moul...   Thu 16th October 2008, 7:38pm
Jon Awbrey   Moulton, Put down the mouse, step away from the k...   Thu 16th October 2008, 8:01pm
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Jon Awbrey   And you wonder why this isn't a more popular ...   Fri 17th October 2008, 1:02pm
Somey   I wasn't really in it for the Popularity, but ...   Sat 18th October 2008, 3:43am


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