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> I just got my first block, Bet you can't guess why
Pussy Galore
post Sat 3rd May 2008, 11:59pm
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Just look at the unblock request I have on my talk page and the sections I've linked (particularly the link to the section at the bottom of my talk page) it will tell you everything you need to know.

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Ryulong
post Sun 4th May 2008, 4:14am
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I read Rose's draft. Each of the sources mention "Encyclopedia Dramatica" no more than twice (including the one solely about it); and one of them was in a comment to the news story.

Sure, it exists, but none of those really say much of anything about it. All in all, I would say ED is about as notable as Daniel Brandt. Everyone on Wikipedia seems to know about it, but the real world doesn't give a shit.
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post Sun 4th May 2008, 4:21am
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QUOTE(Ryulong @ Sun 4th May 2008, 4:14am) *

Sure, it exists, but none of those really say much of anything about it. All in all, I would say ED is about as notable as Daniel Brandt. Everyone on Wikipedia seems to know about it, but the real world doesn't give a shit.


That same standard applies to most of Wikipedia. Consistency in these things is not one of WP's strong points.

I mean where would we be without the hundreds of articles on Japanese railway stations or the Pokemon archive? Or the articles on never-heard-of Norwegian heavy metal bands that released a single and then died?
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post Sun 4th May 2008, 5:29am
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QUOTE(JohnA @ Sat 3rd May 2008, 9:21pm) *

That same standard applies to most of Wikipedia. Consistency in these things is not one of WP's strong points.

I mean where would we be without the hundreds of articles on Japanese railway stations or the Pokemon archive? Or the articles on never-heard-of Norwegian heavy metal bands that released a single and then died?


lol WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument.

All Pokemon have been prominently featured in several commerical, best-selling video games or on an anime show that was so successful that it has been dubbed into many other languages other than the native Japanese. That doesn't necessarily make them notable enough for their own article, so they've been combined into 25 lists that feature 20 Pokemon each.

Thousands of people use railway stations on a daily basis, though there is probably not very much meat in each article. I'd support merging them into the line they originate from.
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post Sun 4th May 2008, 6:00am
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QUOTE(michael @ Sun 4th May 2008, 6:29am) *

QUOTE(JohnA @ Sat 3rd May 2008, 9:21pm) *

That same standard applies to most of Wikipedia. Consistency in these things is not one of WP's strong points.

I mean where would we be without the hundreds of articles on Japanese railway stations or the Pokemon archive? Or the articles on never-heard-of Norwegian heavy metal bands that released a single and then died?


lol WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument.



Please don't quote crappy Wikipedia essays at us to justify your argument.
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post Sun 4th May 2008, 6:06am
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My latest unblock request is declined. And again, no specific instance of policy violation is attributed to me. And he completely ignores my links to Sceptre's violation of policy. Just read the post for yourself.

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QUOTE(Pussy Galore @ Sun 4th May 2008, 7:06am) *

My latest unblock request is declined. And again, no specific instance of policy violation is attributed to me. And he completely ignores my links to Sceptre's violation of policy. Just read the post for yourself.

I just can't bring myself to click on the link - too repetitive, I already know it will be some variant of "you stepped out of line, now you're getting the cattle prod". This is the way of wikipedia.

Here's a question - without making reference to WP "policies", what do you believe would be gained from having this article, and what do you think is motivating them to slap you down?
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post Sun 4th May 2008, 9:33am
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QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Sun 4th May 2008, 3:23am) *

QUOTE(Pussy Galore @ Sun 4th May 2008, 7:06am) *

My latest unblock request is declined. And again, no specific instance of policy violation is attributed to me. And he completely ignores my links to Sceptre's violation of policy. Just read the post for yourself.

I just can't bring myself to click on the link - too repetitive, I already know it will be some variant of "you stepped out of line, now you're getting the cattle prod". This is the way of wikipedia.

Here's a question - without making reference to WP "policies", what do you believe would be gained from having this article, and what do you think is motivating them to slap you down?

I honestly believe that the article is only not on Wikipedia because of people who have had personal issues with the site trying to censor any mention of it, and I also honestly believe that the primary motivation behind my block was simply that I was in favor of its recreation. Contradictory reasons were given for my block with no clear reason ever being given, and to be honest, even if Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't cited by reliable sources, I think Wikipedia should make an exception in its case and give it an article just to avoid any possibility that its exclusion from the article namespace is not due to resentment of the site that many editors have toward it.
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QUOTE(Pussy Galore @ Sun 4th May 2008, 7:06am) *

even if Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't cited by reliable sources, I think Wikipedia should make an exception in its case and give it an article just to avoid any possibility that its exclusion from the article namespace is not due to resentment of the site that many editors have toward it.


biggrin.gif Well good luck with that. They give Wikipedia Review and Wikitruth articles (which probably have more sources anyway- at least the WR one) partly so they can't be accused of being like that I imagine. But they would never do that with ED unless it becomes a household name, because it would be like giving free advertising to a site where there are very cruel articles about some of the admins and editors themselves.
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QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Sun 4th May 2008, 6:03am) *
They give Wikipedia Review and Wikitruth articles (which probably have more sources anyway- at least the WR one) partly so they can't be accused of being like that I imagine.

There is no Wikipedia Review article, only a redirect. (For a long time, there wasn't even a redirect, and my mentioning its existence will probably mean it gets deleted within the next 48 hours.) And the most recent edit to the Wikitruth article was to change the fact that WP administrators are contributors there to a "claim," when they know very, very well that it's true.

So yes, they can be accused of being like that, because they are like that.
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 4th May 2008, 5:45pm) *

QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Sun 4th May 2008, 6:03am) *
They give Wikipedia Review and Wikitruth articles (which probably have more sources anyway- at least the WR one) partly so they can't be accused of being like that I imagine.

There is no Wikipedia Review article, only a redirect. (For a long time, there wasn't even a redirect, and my mentioning its existence will probably mean it gets deleted within the next 48 hours.) And the most recent edit to the Wikitruth article was to change the fact that WP administrators are contributors there to a "claim," when they know very, very well that it's true.

So yes, they can be accused of being like that, because they are like that.


Ah right, I thought WR had an article for some reason.
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Pussy Galore   I just got my first block   Sat 3rd May 2008, 11:59pm
dogbiscuit   Kudos on the block reason: "Failure of commo...   Sun 4th May 2008, 12:02am
Gold heart   Kudos on the block reason: "Failure of comm...   Sun 4th May 2008, 12:37am
everyking   I can see the merit in this block. Trying to get t...   Sun 4th May 2008, 12:24am
Pussy Galore   I can see the merit in this block. Trying to get ...   Sun 4th May 2008, 12:39am
Giggy   He sure did, on Wikipedia we call it the [[WP:SNOW...   Sun 4th May 2008, 12:43am
Pussy Galore   He sure did, on Wikipedia we call it the [[WP:SNO...   Sun 4th May 2008, 1:57am
Giggy   He sure did, on Wikipedia we call it the [[WP:SN...   Sun 4th May 2008, 2:06am
dtobias   Not so much a true consensus as it is a small fact...   Sun 4th May 2008, 2:11am
Pussy Galore   Not so much a true consensus as it is a small fac...   Sun 4th May 2008, 8:07am
Robster   The only rule on Wikipedia is whatever an admin sa...   Sun 4th May 2008, 2:03am
Giggy   I'm happy to hear a good reason to have that a...   Sun 4th May 2008, 2:15am
Pussy Galore   I'm happy to hear a good reason to have that ...   Sun 4th May 2008, 2:21am
wikiwhistle   The outcome of this review will be based on wheth...   Sun 4th May 2008, 7:08am
Pussy Galore   The outcome of this review will be based on whet...   Sun 4th May 2008, 7:14am
wikiwhistle   And in order to justify my block, they have to h...   Sun 4th May 2008, 7:23am
Disillusioned Lackey   In their minds, opening a deletion review about E...   Sun 4th May 2008, 1:39pm
Lar   Writing a WR article would be more sanguine, sinc...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:07pm
michael   No need, it's at User:Urban Rose/ED, and the f...   Sun 4th May 2008, 2:48am
Ryulong   Sure, it exists, but none of those really say mu...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:32am
Pussy Galore   The bottom line is this: Sceptre (a non-admin) dis...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:46am
wikiwhistle   The bottom line is this: Sceptre (a non-admin) di...   Sun 4th May 2008, 7:18am
Pussy Galore   The bottom line is this: Sceptre (a non-admin) d...   Sun 4th May 2008, 7:23am
Pussy Galore   [quote name='JohnA' post='98805' date='Sat 3rd Ma...   Sun 4th May 2008, 5:53am
michael   But that still doesnt explain why people choose t...   Sun 4th May 2008, 6:00am
Somey   But that still doesnt explain why people choose to...   Sun 4th May 2008, 6:02am
Peter Damian   But that still doesnt explain why people choose t...   Sun 4th May 2008, 11:16am
dtobias   I honestly believe that the article is only not o...   Sun 4th May 2008, 12:23pm
Moulton   I can understand your frustration... much of the o...   Sun 4th May 2008, 12:54pm
wikiwhistle   Just look at the unblock request I have on my tal...   Sun 4th May 2008, 6:42am
Pussy Galore   [quote name='Pussy Galore' post='98719' date='Sun...   Sun 4th May 2008, 6:45am
Viridae   On its own without providing significant new infor...   Sun 4th May 2008, 7:41am
Pussy Galore   On its own without providing significant new info...   Sun 4th May 2008, 7:44am
Peter Damian   Given that ED is complete puerile drivel, and give...   Sun 4th May 2008, 1:42pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Given that ED is complete puerile drivel, and giv...   Sun 4th May 2008, 1:47pm
wikiwhistle   After all, it is highly critical of them, and the...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:11pm
Lar   After all, it is highly critical of them, and th...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:25pm
Somey   People also post here to give Daniel Brandt inform...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:47pm
dtobias   Given that ED is complete puerile drivel, and giv...   Sun 4th May 2008, 1:52pm
Disillusioned Lackey   Since [b]when does WP have any policy against [ur...   Sun 4th May 2008, 1:57pm
Moulton   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='98877' date='Sun ...   Sun 4th May 2008, 3:02pm
Peter Damian   Given that ED is complete puerile drivel, and gi...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:15pm
wikiwhistle   Since [i][b]when does WP have any policy against [...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:45pm
Moulton   That would come under the rubric of "contribu...   Sun 4th May 2008, 4:42pm
Moulton   Reciprocity is by mutual consent. Retribution is ...   Sun 4th May 2008, 5:11pm
Somey   Reciprocity is by mutual consent. Retribution is ...   Sun 4th May 2008, 5:28pm
Ashibaka   Pussy Galore, I would like to point out that the a...   Mon 5th May 2008, 2:07am
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UseOnceAndDestroy   There is now a source which undoubtedly qualifies...   Thu 8th May 2008, 12:49pm
Pussy Galore   There is now a source which undoubtedly qualifies...   Thu 8th May 2008, 9:00pm
dtobias   Some people can't stand those who speak truth ...   Thu 8th May 2008, 11:59am
Disillusioned Lackey   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Us...   Fri 9th May 2008, 7:22am
Moulton   Reciprocity is by mutual consent. Retribution is ...   Fri 9th May 2008, 10:13am
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wikiwhistle   Blow me, at the moment it looks like this attempt ...   Thu 8th May 2008, 9:42pm
Ashibaka   Blow me, at the moment it looks like this attempt...   Tue 13th May 2008, 10:12pm


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