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| tarantino |
Thu 8th May 2008, 4:02am
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Between 17 October 2005 and 16 May 2006 the sockpuppet TBP made 185 edits, all in relation to animals, sex, animal sex or Neuro-linguistic programming. There is perhaps only one other editor on enwiki with similar tastes. TBP's career highlights - Started the article on Kenneth Pinyan, AKA Mr Hands, a man notable for dying in an unusual way. Started the article on Hani Miletski, a pioneer in the study of beastiality. Started the article on Emotion in animals. Edited the article Edgeplay. Later, FT2 consulted current persona non grata Taxwoman on the subject. Edit warred on Neuro-linguistic programming and sparred with HeadleyDown on Talk:Neuro-linguistic_programming. QUOTE HeadleyDown. I trained in NLP under John Seymour and Joseph O'Connor, the first two major UK trainers, in NLP, in 1990. I worked on NLP training courses 1991 - 1997. I trained for what is called the "Master Practitioner" under Robert Dilts and Judith Delozier in 1998, in Stanta Cruz, where NLP all began. And I had to look up what an engram was, because despite nearly 10 years training under several world-class NLP trainers, I had never heard the term or seen that viewpoint. Core NLP is not concerned with the biological mechanism of memory, but how it subjectively, functionally, works and can be worked with. This conflicts disturbingly with the above comment as to what is "core NLP". TBP 11:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC) This eventually lead to FT2 filing Requests_for_arbitration/Neuro-linguistic_programming. FT2 actually brings up and dismisses the sock's involvement. QUOTE One editor, User:TBP, was explicitly self-identified as a sock puppet on his talk page before becoming involved in this article Oct 17 DIFF. He played no part in the vote or its discussion, and only a minor role in the talk page debate, mostly between Oct 27-29. TBP quits editing 31 days before FT2's failed self-nomination for adminship. For his second, successful candidacy, he was nominated by jossi.
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| Eva Destruction |
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While I'm *not* going to disclose the content for obvious reasons, I can confirm that the article in question was entirely in a userspace sandbox and the sandbox itself was (legitimately) deleted as it only had one editor. Having read the (deleted and never posted to mainspace) article in question, while it's on a fairly unpleasant subject, it's undoubtedly a legitimate, referenced academic article. That said, I can see why he didn't post it into mainspace, and (while I dislike him for other reasons), I think he's to be commended for not posting it after putting so much effort into it.
Not that any of you are going to take any notice of me...
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| Proabivouac |
Sat 10th May 2008, 11:22pm
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QUOTE(guy @ Sat 10th May 2008, 10:23pm)  QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Sat 10th May 2008, 10:02pm)  QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Sat 10th May 2008, 8:23pm)  While I'm *not* going to disclose the content for obvious reasons…
What obvious reasons? Admins can get desysopped for even hinting that they might reveal the content of deleted material to WR. The typical rationale behind this - and a fairly good one - is that the deleted material contained some kind of libelous charge or personal information. If this was a just well-referenced article with a neutral and clinical tone, that wouldn't apply. It was released under GFDL, and like any other article could conceivably be undeleted at any time. The only basis for complaint that I can see is, well, it was in FT2's userspace. But so what? All of this begs the question, if it doesn't reflect poorly upon FT2, then why was it deleted, and what would be the problem with anyone looking at it? Correspondingly, the only way that revealing the content could be construed as a way of damaging FT2 is if there is something not quite right about it. Nevertheless, Eva Destruction, thank you for providing the background on this.
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tarantino An FT2 Sockpuppet? Thu 8th May 2008, 4:02am Milton Roe
TBP quits editing 31 days before FT2's failed... Thu 8th May 2008, 4:32am Jon Awbrey
Anybody who uses the word "guidance" th... Thu 8th May 2008, 4:38am  Milton Roe
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='99944' date='Thu 8... Thu 8th May 2008, 4:52am Proabivouac There was also this from the other day…
I haven... Thu 8th May 2008, 5:47am Milton Roe
There was also this from the other day…
I have... Thu 8th May 2008, 6:09am Moulton Started the article on [url=http://en.wikipedia.or... Thu 8th May 2008, 6:08am Milton Roe
Started the article on [url=http://en.wikipedia.o... Thu 8th May 2008, 6:32am Docknell Yes I think this edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/... Thu 8th May 2008, 6:40am Peter Damian That’s incredible. FT2 also admits to being tra... Thu 8th May 2008, 7:17am wikiwhistle
I was put off him from the very start
He's... Thu 8th May 2008, 11:34am wikiwhistle
That’s incredible. FT2 also admits to being tr... Thu 8th May 2008, 11:49am Miltopia http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid... Thu 8th May 2008, 7:33am Milton Roe
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi... Thu 8th May 2008, 7:46am  dogbiscuit
[quote name='Miltopia' post='99973' date='Thu 8th... Thu 8th May 2008, 10:40am Proabivouac
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi... Thu 8th May 2008, 9:26am  Giggy
[quote name='Miltopia' post='99973' date='Thu 8th... Fri 9th May 2008, 12:31am   tarantino
[quote name='Proabivouac' post='99982' date='Thu ... Sat 28th June 2008, 1:37am    Proabivouac
The account FT2 accidently used to post to ANI, L... Mon 30th June 2008, 1:59am Alex I have to say this looks pretty compelling... alth... Thu 8th May 2008, 12:00pm Moulton Don't most admins also have non-privileged acc... Thu 8th May 2008, 12:03pm Peter Damian This is getting v puzzling. LovingBoth has a very... Thu 8th May 2008, 12:19pm wikiwhistle
(2) It raises the question of what an English edi... Thu 8th May 2008, 12:24pm guy
Wikipedia ISNOT a crystal ball. Thu 8th May 2008, 12:55pm Alex
It raises the question of what an English editor ... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:28pm  Peter Damian
It raises the question of what an English editor... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:54pm   Moulton Editing patterns are incontrovertibly East coast U... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:59pm   Alex
[quote name='Alex' post='100014' date='Thu 8th Ma... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:59pm    Peter Damian
[quote name='Peter Damian' post='100024' date='Th... Thu 8th May 2008, 2:09pm No one of consequence
This is getting v puzzling. LovingBoth has a ver... Thu 8th May 2008, 5:40pm  Dawson Impersonator
Not really. It depends on how many times Lovingb... Thu 8th May 2008, 9:50pm Kato Loveinboth was certainly in the UK this week. It l... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:00pm wikiwhistle I cannot say- but I've been told he doesn... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:37pm Alex
I cannot say- but I've been told he doesn... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:41pm  wikiwhistle
I cannot say- but I've been told he doesn... Thu 8th May 2008, 2:01pm Miltopia I didn't think about this before, but why was ... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:42pm wikiwhistle I wonder/assume that the name "lovingboth... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:50pm Miltopia I assumed it was both men and women, since it had ... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:52pm wikiwhistle
I assumed it was both men and women, since it had... Thu 8th May 2008, 1:53pm Docknell This seems to show very clearly that TBP is an abu... Thu 8th May 2008, 2:25pm Peter Damian [replying to Docknell] Tht's VERY serious. T... Thu 8th May 2008, 2:33pm Daniel Brandt From 2006-07-24 IRC log capture:
FT2` (i=FT2@... Thu 8th May 2008, 6:18pm Shalom
From 2006-07-24 IRC log capture:
FT2` (i=FT2... Thu 8th May 2008, 7:24pm  Daniel Brandt
Daniel, check that IP against this one: 58.178.13... Thu 8th May 2008, 7:43pm  wikiwhistle
I take allegations against a sitting arbitrator ... Thu 8th May 2008, 7:51pm  tarantino
Daniel, check that IP against this one: 58.178.... Thu 8th May 2008, 11:07pm   Shalom
Daniel, check that IP against this one: 58.178... Fri 9th May 2008, 12:26am    wikiwhistle
Yes, I know. I don't understand why SlimVirg... Fri 9th May 2008, 12:50am     Shalom
Yes, I know. I don't understand why SlimVir... Fri 9th May 2008, 1:49am      Docknell
Good point, Wikiwhistle. I went and read the A... Fri 9th May 2008, 4:43am       Shalom Would you cut it out? There's a line when it ... Fri 9th May 2008, 4:47am        Docknell
Would you cut it out? There's a line when it... Fri 9th May 2008, 4:49am         wikiwhistle
[quote name='Shalom' post='100243' date='Fri 9th ... Fri 9th May 2008, 12:37pm          Proabivouac
Wasn't it just an excuse for using the ... Fri 9th May 2008, 7:05pm        Proabivouac
Would you cut it out? There's a line when it... Fri 9th May 2008, 5:11am         Docknell
Have you ever been indefinitely blocked, Shalom?... Fri 9th May 2008, 5:57am  Proabivouac
I've taken close to an hour to review the con... Fri 9th May 2008, 5:37am Moulton Perhaps you will find the elusive line illustrated... Fri 9th May 2008, 4:56am Moulton The problem is, using the term 'malfeasance... Fri 9th May 2008, 1:38pm Peter Damian That’s interesting. This
http://cmx.sagepub.co... Fri 9th May 2008, 1:48pm Docknell
That’s interesting. This
[url=http://cmx.sage... Sat 10th May 2008, 3:03am tarantino There is apparently more that's been scrubbed ... Fri 9th May 2008, 11:32pm Peter Damian
There is apparently more that's been scrubbed... Sat 10th May 2008, 6:32am  Proabivouac Down to brass tacks:
Why is Wikipedia being run b... Sat 10th May 2008, 9:05am   Moulton I want answers, but all I've heard is silence.... Sat 10th May 2008, 11:51am   guy
Why was this individual promoted to the top of th... Sat 10th May 2008, 12:45pm    Moulton [quote name='Proabivouac' post='100465' date='Sat ... Sat 10th May 2008, 1:42pm  Proabivouac
The edits are all to do with animal pornography, ... Sat 10th May 2008, 9:18am  tarantino
What? None of these are on my list of FT2's... Sat 10th May 2008, 2:41pm   Peter Damian
They are not necessarily from a user subpage. Th... Sat 10th May 2008, 3:13pm    tarantino
[quote name='tarantino' post='100499' date='Sat 1... Sat 10th May 2008, 3:48pm    wikiwhistle
3. Only pages in user space can be deleted if y... Sat 10th May 2008, 6:55pm wikiwhistle
I think he's to be commended for not posting... Sat 10th May 2008, 8:26pm  Eva Destruction
I think he's to be commended for not postin... Sat 10th May 2008, 8:58pm   Kelly Martin
[quote name='Proabivouac' post='100522' date='Sat... Mon 30th June 2008, 2:37pm Peter Damian
While I'm *not* going to disclose the content... Sat 10th May 2008, 9:35pm wikiwhistle Why all this concern to ensure FT2 looks perfect, ... Sat 10th May 2008, 9:54pm tarantino Regardless of what one thinks of FT2, he has some ... Mon 12th May 2008, 11:15pm wikiwhistle
away from the prying eyes of your home wiki. His ... Tue 13th May 2008, 12:42am Peter Damian Seconded, Tarantino. Mon 30th June 2008, 1:16pm Alex So is this a "Who is FT2" thread now? :... Mon 30th June 2008, 1:21pm Peter Damian
So is this a "Who is FT2" thread now? ... Mon 30th June 2008, 2:30pm KamrynMatika
So is this a "Who is FT2" thread now? ... Mon 30th June 2008, 2:38pm Peter Damian From Alison Wheeler's Live Journal Nov last ye... Mon 30th June 2008, 3:37pm guy
From Alison Wheeler's Live Journal Nov last y... Mon 30th June 2008, 4:26pm  thekohser
[quote name='Peter Damian' post='110548' date='Mo... Mon 30th June 2008, 5:29pm   guy
One of the very, very rare times where I bring an... Mon 30th June 2008, 9:35pm Milton Roe
TBP quits editing 31 days before FT2's failed... Mon 30th June 2008, 10:23pm Peter Damian
[quote name='tarantino' post='99940' date='Thu 8t... Tue 1st July 2008, 8:25am Peter Damian Just spotted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special... Tue 19th August 2008, 11:30am Alex
Just spotted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specia... Tue 19th August 2008, 11:51am  Peter Damian
[quote name='Peter Damian' post='122392' date='Tu... Tue 19th August 2008, 12:12pm   Docknell
[quote name='Alex' post='122400' date='Tue 19th A... Thu 21st August 2008, 7:01am Peter Damian Two comments that belong in the 'TBP; thread. ... Tue 2nd September 2008, 5:55am Peter Damian Lets really really spell this one out. On his use... Wed 3rd September 2008, 10:18am Peter Damian Whoever he is, I have put this obvious plagiarist ... Thu 4th September 2008, 6:21am
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