Mantanmoreland goes socking? (Again?), LOL Options

[Piperdown]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sus.../Mantanmoreland

a big birdie tells me he's gotten caught again on off-WP sites sockpuppeting with new names, lol. Looks like this "bassett" guy on WP is up to the samiharris-mantanmoreland legacy.

At this point, anyone without a non-SPA history of some length on WP should be Checkusered if they edit the Patrick Byrne-Overstock-Naked Shorting trifecta of "let's fuck Byrne!" that's been going on, on-WP for years.


And who's the last person who should be doing a checkuser on Gary Weiss's socks or potential socks? (um, after Slimmy that is)?

Thatcher.

LOL. Thatcher, you've already been proven a wikifraud on the Gary Saga. Turn over the bullshit story to someone else. No one believes you any more on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req.../Mantanmoreland

Nevard is not Weiss, that's not news. Bassett's activity smells of Team Gary.

Tor proxies by any chance? Maybe Gary's gotten smart enough to get one of his associates to take up his man-love torch for Byrne.

This post has been edited by Piperdown: Wed 14th May 2008, 12:14am

[everyking]

This all reminds me of something. See if you can guess who said the following about whom: "He showed no remorse and no understanding of the gravity of what he did. ... He should not again be given another opportunity to violate the trust of the community." Because I think that sounds like the perfect attitude to adopt in dealing with the situation at hand.

[dogbiscuit]

This all reminds me of something. See if you can guess who said the following about whom: "He showed no remorse and no understanding of the gravity of what he did. ... He should not again be given another opportunity to violate the trust of the community." Because I think that sounds like the perfect attitude to adopt in dealing with the situation at hand.

There are large amounts of humble pie to be eaten.

A wise response from the community would now be to show good faith and unban WordBomb. I would note that WordBomb has always behaved well on Wikipedia in spite of provocation. I'm sure that is a safe action, WordBomb has little interest in editing Wikipedia as far as I am aware.

[WordBomb]

A wise response from the community would now be to show good faith and unban WordBomb. I would note that WordBomb has always behaved well on Wikipedia in spite of provocation. I'm sure that is a safe action, WordBomb has little interest in editing Wikipedia as far as I am aware.

Not entirely true. Earlier this week, I was shocked by the stubbiness of the article on David P. Broder, and began doing the research to expand it, but then remembered that I'm not allowed. I must admit that if unbanned, I will almost certainly work on improving that article.

Oh yeah...for the past few months I've also been contributing to the Spanish language Wikipedia...so far without incident. If that's a technical violation of my ban, then they might have to reset the clock (back to infinity).

[dogbiscuit]

A wise response from the community would now be to show good faith and unban WordBomb. I would note that WordBomb has always behaved well on Wikipedia in spite of provocation. I'm sure that is a safe action, WordBomb has little interest in editing Wikipedia as far as I am aware.

Not entirely true. Earlier this week, I was shocked by the stubbiness of the article on David P. Broder, and began doing the research to expand it, but then remembered that I'm not allowed. I must admit that if unbanned, I will almost certainly work on improving that article.

Oh yeah...for the past few months I've also been contributing to the Spanish language Wikipedia...so far without incident. If that's a technical violation of my ban, then they might have to reset the clock (back to infinity).

Ah, so we can add the "did good work on another project" PoetLister manoeuvre too. Your case is looking stronger by the second.

If you take away the character assassination, what were your real sins on Wiki - though I suppose we still "don't know" that MM == GW which allows the BADSITErs to still claim you were that most heinous of sinners - the outer. You carried yourself well in the ArbCom case, so I am sure you would not embarrass anyone who proposed this. It would be as near to closure as they could get - and they also have the example of Piperdown who was a man of his word.

[WordBomb]

If you take away the character assassination, what were your real sins on Wiki - though I suppose we still "don't know" that MM == GW which allows the BADSITErs to still claim you were that most heinous of sinners - the outer. You carried yourself well in the ArbCom case, so I am sure you would not embarrass anyone who proposed this. It would be as near to closure as they could get - and they also have the example of Piperdown who was a man of his word.

Their main concern -- which I could empathize with were the circumstances less strange -- is that I took less-traditional steps to ascertain the identity of certain editors I suspected of being Gary Weiss (ie: Tomstoner, Lastexit, Mantanmoreland and Samiharris), and then blogged about the results.

Along the way, SlimVirgin and Jayjg got caught up in the madness (on behalf of Weiss) and, through database analysis, I discovered evidence of questionable actions on their parts, and blogged about that, as well.

Outting is not good, in and of itself. I understand that.

Dropping nuclear weapons on cities full of civilians is also bad. However, it is less bad when viewed in the context of Pearl Harbor and everything that followed.

Similarly, taking steps to out Mantanmoreland is less bad when viewed in the context of everything that preceded it, and the damage Weiss was doing to Wikipedia by being allowed to operate unfettered.

Keeping that end of the equation in the dark is what the Cabal has been extraordinarily effective at doing.

And this is why I remain skeptical that my status will change, though I'd welcome and support any effort to unban me.

[dogbiscuit]

And this is why I remain skeptical that my status will change, though I'd welcome and support any effort to unban me.

It strikes me that unbanning you without an inquest would be a good way for Wikipedia to move on and declare those events passed. I'm sure you could come up with some words of assurance that can save face for those embarrassed by their part (more or less as you have just said above).

I was thinking someone could propose an unban along the lines of:

Given that the MM socking case has been shown to be proven, as an act of good faith, I propose that WordBomb is unblocked. From postings elsewhere, WordBomb has made it clear that he understands that his unconventional techniques for sock checking were inappropriate and would not seek to use them in the future. I also understand he has made positive contributions on the Spanish Wikipedia project without incident. Therefore, to seek closure on this matter, with the minimum of fuss, I am proposing his unblocking. I am sure that he will be under close scrutiny, so there is little risk to the project in this action.

I'm tempted to do it myself, but that would probably only be seen as drama.