Mantanmoreland goes socking? (Again?), LOL Options

[radek]

But wow I do notice that Wikipedia articles appear to be frozen in 2008. Did the Wikiverse come under a 28 Days type Zombie attack since then? Virtually every article I read goes through this cycle:

2005: created (often out of spite)
2006-2008: Violent Clashes of Creativity in Editing
2009: Eventual acceptance and placement of "this article sucks because of <tag here>"
2010-2012: Zombiehood

You are correct. I've done intensive statistical analysis of 200 random articles, and discovered that the addition of actual information to them peaked out in 2009, and is now dropping. Instead of actual edits that add information, admins and fanboys are using bots to pretend to edit articles, by thrashing them with minor reformattings, cross-wiki linking, and other crap.

And more to the point, they lie about it, and deny any such process.

Yeah, I can confirm this as well. In fact that outline is a very good encapsulation of Wikipedia development since 2005.

I would replace "Violent Clashes of Creativity in Editing" with "Lots of editing and edit wars" but more or less the same thing. At some point they're gonna start missing the good ol' days where people actually gave enough of a shit to edit war over articles but in the process... at least edited articles. Now it's just bots making minor (and often dumb and incorrect) changes or some kids creating copy/paste COPYVIOs.

[EricBarbour]

Gary's just amazing. He pulls the passive-aggressive act, and people fall in line and accept his bullshit.
I wonder who coached him (if anyone) to do these things. It's so predictably effective, one could
write a book detailing the process. (Greg, are you listening? )

[Cla68]

Well look here, Cla...Give Weiss enough rope and he shall begin to do as he always does.

I think he ruined his victimization narrative when he started disparaging Wikipedia Review.

[Zoloft]

Verbal IED (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Word... ...Bomb?

[It's the blimp, Frank]

Verbal IED (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Word... ...Bomb?

[WordBomb]

Verbal IED (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Word... ...Bomb?

that's very clever, but it wasn't me. Dang...I do wish I'd thought of it.

[cookiehead]

Well golly, try to help highlight Weiss's own lecturing endeavors on his wonderful results from weight loss surgery, which he and major media sources include on their websites as 1 of most important things about him, and try and include it in his article, and....it gets turned around to be a personal attack on "his weight" in a "I'm a victim of WR" passion play. Sure, maybe some people have made fun on it on Wikipedia Review, but its a barren place inhabited by all sorts of evil.

What he really objected to is the start of a "Personal life" section (with a positive mention about his successful battle against weightloss with surgery, which he gets paid to speak about, and so is a notable part of his biography). Virtually every BLP I edit has a "Personal Life" section. As long as its contents are sourced and not controversial, and not about yourself, apparently. Otherwise it's fair game to edit in exact wedding dates of relatively obscure private people, names of non-notable family members, high school football exploits of siblings, etc.

If you were safeguarding your BLP with a hairtrigger revert finger for years, would you want a "Personal life" can of worms section opened up? Imagine what could go on there in between reverts. What next, we have to edit out Al Roker's weightloss? Weiss did good. He lectures on it. That and the Klebnikov thing are both fine, outstanding items for a "personal life" section. You'd think. Although I can't find any actual action on his part in Project Klebnikov.

And please CU me again, Gary and "Mongo", whose mongoness gets worse with age. It's been done every other month lately. You won't find anything fun except my recent battle to document the epic Joe Kapp - Al Mosca battle, only to be undermined by a Canadian Football League homemade online encyclopedia spammer.

I'd let Gary keep on editing as Scotty Buurrrg (say it like John Houseman, it will make his edits funnier to read during your paper chase). His autobiography, OK, topicockblock him for being an idiot about it, and not helpful at all. He surely has a sleeper sockfarm ready to go for the Great Randian Push of 2012. Don't fight it, embrace Gary. He is Wikipedia. Plus he's older than 18, been published despite overcoming a severely challenged writing talent, and knows how to game WP like no one's business by now.

Wikipedia is an even worse wild west of BLP abuse than ever. There's no point in trying to keeping pissing into a hurricane. The system is decaying, not improving. Readers, pray you don't become "notable".

This post has been edited by cookiehead: Fri 13th January 2012, 4:49am

[Vigilant]

Wikipedia is an even worse wild west of BLP abuse than ever. There's no point in trying to keeping pissing into a hurricane. The system is decaying, not improving. Readers, pray you don't become "notable".

Amen, brother. A-fucking-men.

[-DS-]

Verbal IED (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Word... ...Bomb?

that's very clever, but it wasn't me. Dang...I do wish I'd thought of it.

I take full responsibility.

DS

[Cla68]

There are consequences for untoward behavior. Now that "Scotty" can no longer defend his bio, it takes almost two hours for forbidden information to be removed.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Sun 15th January 2012, 10:22am

[Fusion]

There are consequences for untoward behavior. Now that "Scotty" can no longer defend his bio, it takes almost two hours for forbidden information to be removed.

No, someyimes it takes below an hour.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Weiss&diff=next&oldid=471485342]

[Cla68]

There are consequences for untoward behavior. Now that "Scotty" can no longer defend his bio, it takes almost two hours for forbidden information to be removed.

No, someyimes it takes below an hour.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Weiss&diff=next&oldid=471485342]

Once the article is unprotected, an easy way to smoke out Mantan's new accounts is to add the Register articles by Cade Metz about WP and naked short selling as references at the end of the line, "He criticized Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne and his campaign against naked short selling" without changing any of the text. Mantan will not be able to abide even having any of those articles linked to in his WP promotional page, and will remove them quickly if no one else does.

[TungstenCarbide]

Once the article is unprotected, an easy way to smoke out Mantan's new accounts is to add the Register articles by Cade Metz about WP and naked short selling as references at the end of the line, "He criticized Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne and his campaign against naked short selling" without changing any of the text. Mantan will not be able to abide even having any of those articles linked to in his WP promotional page, and will remove them quickly if no one else does.

The current references at the end of that sentence are prior to Byrne being largely proved right, and prior to Mantan being exposed for who and what he is.

[cookiehead]

Anyone else see the irony in the freezing or Weissburrrrg's talk page (due to some very talented IP hoppers, wow, you guys are the jetset!), in that it was the only place that Weiss could do his "I've been framed!" dance? His voice has been silenced!

But then I guess the whole site will be self-silenced by the Increasingly Not So Wealthy Jimbo Wales's publicity stunt. Man needs some speaking fees, turning it up a notch.

Regards,
Mongo's Surrogate

[cookiehead]

That Weissberg is a fine "chap"

"me, Samiharris and another chap"--Mantanmoreland (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

"I was thinking of a different chap who still hates my guts but is still appalled by this. ScottyBerg (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)"

I could go on, but I've got chapped skin from this cold winter.

Just one more. Most editors wrote "witchhunt" not "witch hunt". Except for this New Yawk state of mind autha:

….it is an externally coordinated witch hunt... ScottyBerg (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I have been subjected in this corporate-sponsored witch hunt....--Mantanmoreland (talk) 00:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

This post has been edited by cookiehead: Fri 20th January 2012, 4:45am

[TungstenCarbide]

what's Gary doing nowadays? Doesn't seem to be working anywhere.

[cookiehead]

what's Gary doing nowadays? Doesn't seem to be working anywhere.

Getting on the Ayn Rand gravytrain. Keep up, man!

[cookiehead]

What User:ScottyBerg does in his wiki jail time. Free Berg!

http://seekingalpha.com/article/321167-whe...ne-s-smear-site

Where In The World Is Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne's Smear Site?
on Mon, Jan 23 • OSTK • Comment!

Christmas In January For Green Mountain Executives
on Tue, Jan 17 • OSTK • 12 Comments

Overstock.com Naked Shorting Lawsuit Ends In A Whimper
on Wed, Jan 11 • OSTK • Comment!

Overstock.com Gives Conflicting Statements On Layoffs
on Mon, Jan 9 • OSTK • Comment!

Does Patrick Byrne's Overstock.com Face Bankruptcy In 2012?
on Tue, Jan 3 • OSTK • Comment!

Green Mountain Coffee Roasters Surpasses Overstock.com As Worst Stock of 2011
on Thu, Dec 29, 2011 • GMCR, OSTK • 17 Comments

Utah Newspapers, AP, Continue To Shill For Overstock.com
on Tue, Dec 27, 2011 • OSTK • 5 Comments

Overstock.com Litigation Roundup: Byrne Gets Contempt Reprieve, Goldman Suit Goes Poorly
on Fri, Dec 16, 2011 • OSTK, GS • 13 Comments

Overstock.com's Patrick Byrne Runs To The Border, Won't Duke It Out With 'Miscreant'
on Thu, Dec 8, 2011 • OSTK • 9 Comments

Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne's Drop-Dead Date: December 13
on Mon, Dec 5, 2011 • OSTK • 4 Comments

Overstock.com Losing Skirmish With California Prosecutors
on Wed, Nov 30, 2011 • OSTK • 1 Comment

Contempt Of Court Order Sought Against Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne, Google
on Mon, Nov 28, 2011 • OSTK • 1 Comment

Netflix And Overstock: 2 Companies Where Stupidity Reigns
on Tue, Nov 22, 2011 • OSTK • 1 Comment

Why I Won't Write About Green Mountain Coffee
on Fri, Nov 18, 2011 • GMCR, OSTK • 38 Comments

Overstock.com: Only In Utah
on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 • OSTK • Comment!

[Cla68]

Berg/Mantanmoreland's block appeal has been dismissed. Start watching for Mantanmorland's new account if you haven't already.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Mon 23rd January 2012, 10:56pm

[Rhindle]

Of course, the confused now come to Jimbo's talk page..

They're finding some harsh truths about how things work over there. They never realized how often actually innocent people have been treated this way in the past.

Hmm...

I think the more interesting question in this case is not about whether ArbCom has done the right thing or not. (That's always interesting of course, but I am talking about what is MORE interesting.) The more interesting question is whether or not we can construct a good protocol by which someone in this situation can "come in from the cold". He's made a lot of perfectly decent edits, some that were questionable, but on the whole in this incarnation (as far as I am aware) he's a mostly ok editor. I would personally be supportive of the community having a discussion to approve him to edit as long as he stops with the sockpuppeting and just edits under his real name.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)